Which of LeBron's running mates would MJ have the best chemistry with? Irving, Love, Wade, Bosh, Davis or Doncic?

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Which of LeBron's running mates would MJ have the best chemistry with?

Kyrie Irving
2
2%
Kevin Love
2
2%
Dwyane Wade
16
17%
Chris Bosh
13
14%
Anthony Davis
50
52%
Luka Doncic
13
14%
 
Total votes: 96

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Post#61 » by One Last Shot » Fri Oct 17, 2025 4:35 am

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If you take out the 2 star players for both teams of Shaq/Penny and Jordan/Pippen, Orlando had the better supporting cast with Horace Grant, Nick Anderson, and Dennis Scott. The Bulls supporting cast wasnt bad obviously with Kukoc, Kerr, BJ, and Longley, but Orlandos supporting cast was better. Pretty sure 95 was the year Horace made the all star team, so Orlando had 3 all atar players on their team.


and the 2015 Hawks have 4 all star players on their team, what's your point? Am I wrong to tell you that you are wrong when you said that the 1st seed always get favored in playoffs series? That the 1st seed 1995 Orlando Magic was an underdog against Jordan's Bulls? How about 1st seed Hawks against Cavs in 2015? 1st seed Rockets against Warriors in 2018? 1st seed Knicks against Bulls in 1993? Prove me wrong I'll wait.



I never said the #1 seed is ALWAYS favored in a series. A majority of the time, the #1 seed in a conference is going to be favored. But i never said ALWAYS. Specifically talking about the 95 Bulls they finished the season 13-4 after Jordan came back so they were hot going into the postseason, but Orlando had the better team that year so them winning that series wasnt an upset.

And again, what playoff series was Jordan suppose to win pre-Pippen? You haven’t answered that question yet. But ill wait….



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I went back to look to make sure but Orlando was the #1 seed in the east during the 95 nba playoffs. So they were obviously favored over Chicago. He is wrong about that too.


Seems like you don't know what "obviously" means.

/ˈɒbviəsli/ Something obviously true is clearly, totally, unmistakably true. There's just no doubt about it. Obviously is a word people use when they are sure of something and sure that it's plainly clear to others.

So when you said that the Magic were obviously favoured in 1995 because they are the #1 seed, you can apply it to every scenario, to every #1 seed in NBA history because obviously they should be favoured but you are wrong.

And why should I answer that question? Show me where I claimed that there's a playoffs series Jordan should win pre-Pippen, I'll wait.
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Post#62 » by NZB2323 » Fri Oct 17, 2025 5:13 am

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Are you saying the Bulls wasn't the favorite in 1995 against the Magic or Jordan never get out of the 1st round of playoffs without Pippen? Jordan was great but not even once he ever proved that he can win a playoffs series without Pippen while Scottie-led Bulls in 1994 who finished 3rd in MVP still won 55 games and playoffs series even without MJ, 2 games behind the top seed and took the eventual Eastern Conference Champs Knicks to 7 games who then took the eventual NBA Champs Rockets to 7 games, Bulls is that stacked in Jordan era and that's a fact. He's a losing player without Scottie and that's fine as everyone is not built to carry a terrible squad, basketball is a team game afterall. He's still the GOAT anyway.

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Troll alert. Pippen only played in 44 games in 1998 and had the back injury in game 7, which is the only game in NBA history where a player(Jordan) outscored all of his teammates. In the last 2 minutes Jordan scored, stole the ball, and then scored again for the game winning shot. No other Chicago Bull touched the ball. But I’m sure they won the gamr because of Pippen, not Jordan, right?

In 88 against the Cavs, Jordan averaged 45, 5, and 5, 63.2 TS%, 34 GmSc and hit the series winning shot, abs Pippen averaged 11, 5, and 2, 49.4 TS%, 7.4 GmSc, but the Bulls won that series because of Pippen, not Jordan, right?


How about Wilt's 100 points and Kobe's 81 points? Did they also outscored all of their teammates or not?

I'm not sure why I'm a troll, I just said MJ is a losing player before the Bulls drafted Pippen and when he played for the Wizards. This stats is from bballref



1st season
30-52 rs
1-3 playoffs

2nd season
9-9 rs
0-3 playoffs

3rd season
40-42 rs
0-3 playoffs


*Bulls drafted Pippen in Jordan's 4th season


14th season with Wizards
30-30 rs
miss the playoffs

15th season
37-45 rs
miss the playoffs


Jordan's career win-loss record before the Bulls drafted Pippen including playoffs

147-187(44% win rate)


So Jordan won 44% of their games, that's 36-win pace in 82 games. That's his career before the Bulls drafted Pippen and in his last 2 years with the Wizards without Scottie. It seems like a losing player to me don't you think? He won 1 playoffs game in 5 years and never had a single winning season without Pippen. That's not being a troll, that's the truth.


Sorry, only Finals game in NBA history where a player outscored all of his teammates.

The 98 Bulls were 26-12 without Pippen.

We can also compare teams with and without Jordan. Without Jordan the 86 Bulls were 21-43. With him they were 9-9. They took the 86 Celtics to overtime in the playoffs in Boston, when the 86 Celtics are arguably the greatest team of all time and were 40-1 in Boston during the regular season and 10-0 in the playoffs.

The 95 Bulls were 13-4 with Jordan and 34-31 without him.

And yeah, Jordan was better and had better teammates from 88-98 than when he was 40 and joined a 19 win Wizards team or when he was 21 and joined a 27 win Bulls team.
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Post#63 » by Mephariel » Fri Oct 17, 2025 5:29 am

I think Wade. AD? I think MJ would publicly voice his frustration with AD and his injuries. Like if it cost the Bulls one season, there is no way they don't trade him.
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Post#64 » by OkcSinceSGA » Fri Oct 17, 2025 6:35 am

I actually think this is easily Bosh. He’s the only player that doesn’t clog up the same spaces or take from some of Mike’s role. AD is too soft physically and mentally to where I think Mike would terrorize him.

Bosh was finesse but mentally a lot tougher and didn’t clog up the paint as much as AD in later years, nor does he command the same amount of touches. But he’s still an outstanding versatile defender, rebounder, underrated playmaker.

The guards like Wade he would love their fire, work ethic and skill but they would get in his way of touches or time on the ball so I don’t see him liking that.
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Post#65 » by GrindCityHustle » Fri Oct 17, 2025 6:48 am

Jordan never had the defensive stalwart hitman talent of an Anthony Davis. He had Rodman and Oakley but Davis is an engima in terms of the defence Jordan would want his teams. A perfect fit as they could both roam the whole defensive end.

Pippen would prefer to play with Lebron lol
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Post#66 » by Wingy » Fri Oct 17, 2025 1:45 pm

JellosJigglin wrote:Bosh

MJ operated from the high post in. Bosh is a better fit than AD because he can clear the lane for MJ.


I like Bosh too. Won 3 titles with Horace Grant. That pairs him with a rich man’s version with better offense.
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Post#67 » by MavsDirk41 » Fri Oct 17, 2025 2:00 pm

One Last Shot wrote:
MavsDirk41 wrote:
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and the 2015 Hawks have 4 all star players on their team, what's your point? Am I wrong to tell you that you are wrong when you said that the 1st seed always get favored in playoffs series? That the 1st seed 1995 Orlando Magic was an underdog against Jordan's Bulls? How about 1st seed Hawks against Cavs in 2015? 1st seed Rockets against Warriors in 2018? 1st seed Knicks against Bulls in 1993? Prove me wrong I'll wait.



I never said the #1 seed is ALWAYS favored in a series. A majority of the time, the #1 seed in a conference is going to be favored. But i never said ALWAYS. Specifically talking about the 95 Bulls they finished the season 13-4 after Jordan came back so they were hot going into the postseason, but Orlando had the better team that year so them winning that series wasnt an upset.

And again, what playoff series was Jordan suppose to win pre-Pippen? You haven’t answered that question yet. But ill wait….



MavsDirk41 wrote:
I went back to look to make sure but Orlando was the #1 seed in the east during the 95 nba playoffs. So they were obviously favored over Chicago. He is wrong about that too.


Seems like you don't know what "obviously" means.

/ˈɒbviəsli/ Something obviously true is clearly, totally, unmistakably true. There's just no doubt about it. Obviously is a word people use when they are sure of something and sure that it's plainly clear to others.

So when you said that the Magic were obviously favoured in 1995 because they are the #1 seed, you can apply it to every scenario, to every #1 seed in NBA history because obviously they should be favoured but you are wrong.

And why should I answer that question? Show me where I claimed that there's a playoffs series Jordan should win pre-Pippen, I'll wait.



Lol you posted statistics comparing Jordan and Pippen playing without each other for the purpose of trying to prove that Jordan couldn’t win without Pippen and you obviously didnt look at something kind of important like - who were their teammates during those years, and instead of realizing that blunder you are stuck on this? Orlando was the #1 seed and had the better roster. Chicago beating them would have been an upset.

You showed Jordans playoff record without Pippen, and Pippens playoff record without Jordan, but why do you think Jordan should have had a better playoff record without Pippen?
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Post#68 » by One Last Shot » Fri Oct 17, 2025 4:19 pm

MavsDirk41 wrote:
One Last Shot wrote:
MavsDirk41 wrote:

I never said the #1 seed is ALWAYS favored in a series. A majority of the time, the #1 seed in a conference is going to be favored. But i never said ALWAYS. Specifically talking about the 95 Bulls they finished the season 13-4 after Jordan came back so they were hot going into the postseason, but Orlando had the better team that year so them winning that series wasnt an upset.

And again, what playoff series was Jordan suppose to win pre-Pippen? You haven’t answered that question yet. But ill wait….



MavsDirk41 wrote:
I went back to look to make sure but Orlando was the #1 seed in the east during the 95 nba playoffs. So they were obviously favored over Chicago. He is wrong about that too.


Seems like you don't know what "obviously" means.

/ˈɒbviəsli/ Something obviously true is clearly, totally, unmistakably true. There's just no doubt about it. Obviously is a word people use when they are sure of something and sure that it's plainly clear to others.

So when you said that the Magic were obviously favoured in 1995 because they are the #1 seed, you can apply it to every scenario, to every #1 seed in NBA history because obviously they should be favoured but you are wrong.

And why should I answer that question? Show me where I claimed that there's a playoffs series Jordan should win pre-Pippen, I'll wait.



Lol you posted statistics comparing Jordan and Pippen playing without each other for the purpose of trying to prove that Jordan couldn’t win without Pippen and you obviously didnt look at something kind of important like - who were their teammates during those years, and instead of realizing that blunder you are stuck on this? Orlando was the #1 seed and had the better roster. Chicago beating them would have been an upset.

You showed Jordans playoff record without Pippen, and Pippens playoff record without Jordan, but why do you think Jordan should have had a better playoff record without Pippen?


The thing is I don't give a damn about Pippen's record without Jordan or who did he played with after MJ. I have discussion with someone that Jordan isn't capable to carry a terrible squad to a single playoffs series win or even a single winning season that's why I search his record without Pippen and posted the first tweet I found here, it just happen that Scottie's record was included. Let's talk about MJ being a losing player before the Bulls drafted Pippen and his 2 years with the Wizards, that's 5 years sample size.

1st season
30-52 rs
1-3 playoffs

2nd season
9-9 rs
0-3 playoffs

3rd season
40-42 rs
0-3 playoffs


*Bulls drafted Pippen and Horace Grant in Jordan's 4th season


14th season with Wizards
30-30 rs
miss the playoffs

15th season
37-45 rs
miss the playoffs


Jordan's career win-loss record before the Bulls drafted Pippen including playoffs

147-187(44% win rate)


So Jordan won 44% of their games without Scottie in his roster which I consider a terrible squad. that's 36-win pace in 82 games. That's his career before the Bulls drafted Pippen and his last 2 years with the Wizards. Am I wrong when I said that MJ isn't capable to carry a terrible squad to a single playoffs series win or even 1 winning season like other all-time great?
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Post#69 » by MavsDirk41 » Fri Oct 17, 2025 4:37 pm

One Last Shot wrote:
MavsDirk41 wrote:
One Last Shot wrote:



Seems like you don't know what "obviously" means.

/ˈɒbviəsli/ Something obviously true is clearly, totally, unmistakably true. There's just no doubt about it. Obviously is a word people use when they are sure of something and sure that it's plainly clear to others.

So when you said that the Magic were obviously favoured in 1995 because they are the #1 seed, you can apply it to every scenario, to every #1 seed in NBA history because obviously they should be favoured but you are wrong.

And why should I answer that question? Show me where I claimed that there's a playoffs series Jordan should win pre-Pippen, I'll wait.



Lol you posted statistics comparing Jordan and Pippen playing without each other for the purpose of trying to prove that Jordan couldn’t win without Pippen and you obviously didnt look at something kind of important like - who were their teammates during those years, and instead of realizing that blunder you are stuck on this? Orlando was the #1 seed and had the better roster. Chicago beating them would have been an upset.

You showed Jordans playoff record without Pippen, and Pippens playoff record without Jordan, but why do you think Jordan should have had a better playoff record without Pippen?


The thing is I don't give a damn about Pippen's record without Jordan or who did he played with after MJ. I have discussion with someone that Jordan isn't capable to carry a terrible squad to a single playoffs series win or even a single winning season that's why I search his record without Pippen and posted the first tweet I found here, it just happen that Scottie's record was included. Let's talk about MJ being a losing player before the Bulls drafted Pippen and his 2 years with the Wizards, that's 5 years sample size.

1st season
30-52 rs
1-3 playoffs

2nd season
9-9 rs
0-3 playoffs

3rd season
40-42 rs
0-3 playoffs


*Bulls drafted Pippen and Horace Grant in Jordan's 4th season


14th season with Wizards
30-30 rs
miss the playoffs

15th season
37-45 rs
miss the playoffs


Jordan's career win-loss record before the Bulls drafted Pippen including playoffs

147-187(44% win rate)


So Jordan won 44% of their games without Scottie in his roster which I consider a terrible squad. that's 36-win pace in 82 games. That's his career before the Bulls drafted Pippen and his last 2 years with the Wizards. Am I wrong when I said that MJ isn't capable to carry a terrible squad to a single playoffs series win or even 1 winning season like other all-time great?



1988 Chicago Bulls went 50-32
Regular Season

Jordan 35/6/6
Oakley 12/13
Sam Vincent 13/8 (29 games)
Pippen 8/4
Corzine 10/6
Grant 8/6
Paxson 8/4

1st round against Cleveland Bulls won 3-2
Jordan 45/5/5
Oakley 11/13
Pippen 10/5
Grant 9/8
Vincent 8/2
Corzine 7/7

Is that not a carry job?
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Post#70 » by NZB2323 » Fri Oct 17, 2025 4:46 pm

One Last Shot wrote:
MavsDirk41 wrote:
One Last Shot wrote:



Seems like you don't know what "obviously" means.

/ˈɒbviəsli/ Something obviously true is clearly, totally, unmistakably true. There's just no doubt about it. Obviously is a word people use when they are sure of something and sure that it's plainly clear to others.

So when you said that the Magic were obviously favoured in 1995 because they are the #1 seed, you can apply it to every scenario, to every #1 seed in NBA history because obviously they should be favoured but you are wrong.

And why should I answer that question? Show me where I claimed that there's a playoffs series Jordan should win pre-Pippen, I'll wait.



Lol you posted statistics comparing Jordan and Pippen playing without each other for the purpose of trying to prove that Jordan couldn’t win without Pippen and you obviously didnt look at something kind of important like - who were their teammates during those years, and instead of realizing that blunder you are stuck on this? Orlando was the #1 seed and had the better roster. Chicago beating them would have been an upset.

You showed Jordans playoff record without Pippen, and Pippens playoff record without Jordan, but why do you think Jordan should have had a better playoff record without Pippen?


The thing is I don't give a damn about Pippen's record without Jordan or who did he played with after MJ. I have discussion with someone that Jordan isn't capable to carry a terrible squad to a single playoffs series win or even a single winning season that's why I search his record without Pippen and posted the first tweet I found here, it just happen that Scottie's record was included. Let's talk about MJ being a losing player before the Bulls drafted Pippen and his 2 years with the Wizards, that's 5 years sample size.

1st season
30-52 rs
1-3 playoffs

2nd season
9-9 rs
0-3 playoffs

3rd season
40-42 rs
0-3 playoffs


*Bulls drafted Pippen and Horace Grant in Jordan's 4th season


14th season with Wizards
30-30 rs
miss the playoffs

15th season
37-45 rs
miss the playoffs


Jordan's career win-loss record before the Bulls drafted Pippen including playoffs

147-187(44% win rate)


So Jordan won 44% of their games without Scottie in his roster which I consider a terrible squad. that's 36-win pace in 82 games. That's his career before the Bulls drafted Pippen and his last 2 years with the Wizards. Am I wrong when I said that MJ isn't capable to carry a terrible squad to a single playoffs series win or even 1 winning season like other all-time great?


Jordan faced the 86 Celtics in the playoffs and took them to overtime in Boston, where they were 50-1 in the playoffs and regular season.

Jordan could absolutely carry a terrible squad to a playoff win against the Derozan Raptors or Gilbert Arenas Wizards.

Also, I don’t know what your definition of “terrible” is, but you could argue that his supporting cast in 88 was terrible. Pippen and Horace Grant were 22 years old rookies. We don’t have +/- data from then, but they both had a negative BPM. Every teammate of Jordan’s had a negative BPM except for 9th man Sam Vincent. In the playoffs all of Jordan’s teammates had a TS% under 50% except for Mike Brown, who played 4 minutes, and Horace Grant, who scored 10.1 ppg. Jordan scored 36.3 ppg on 59.8 TS%.

Pippen’s rookie year he averaged 8, 4, and 2, 48.9 TS%, 12.9 PER, and in the playoffs he averaged 10, 5, and 3, 49 TS%, 10.0 PER. He received 0 votes for rookie of the year and didn’t make an all-rookie team. The 88 Bulls didn’t win because of Pippen.

Also, game 6 of the 98 Finals is a carry job by Jordan. It’s the oldest team to win a championship, Pippen had the back injury, and it’s the only game in finals history where 1 player(Jordan), outscored all of his teammates. In the last 2 minutes Jordan scored, stole the ball, and scored again. No other Chicago Bull touched the ball.
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Post#71 » by dhsilv2 » Fri Oct 17, 2025 4:48 pm

bonita_the_frog wrote:
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Whereas AD would hog the post, so MJ wouldn't be able to post up much.


What? The triangle is 3 posts...there's no post to hog.

Oh, I was putting MJ into LeBron's Cavs, Heat and Lakers, so Triangle wasn't a consideration.


That would be a terrible use of MJ. While Jordan could run a set like that, he was just better off ball. And he's not remotely an elite passer.
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Post#72 » by bonita_the_frog » Fri Oct 17, 2025 4:53 pm

dhsilv2 wrote:
bonita_the_frog wrote:
dhsilv2 wrote:
What? The triangle is 3 posts...there's no post to hog.

Oh, I was putting MJ into LeBron's Cavs, Heat and Lakers, so Triangle wasn't a consideration.


That would be a terrible use of MJ. While Jordan could run a set like that, he was just better off ball. And he's not remotely an elite passer.

Jordan played Point Guard for a few weeks in 1988-89 and had 15 triple doubles, so if Jordan had to share the ball he'd average HUGE assist numbers.

And in the 1991 Finals Jordan chose to focus on playmaking because he was playing against Magic Johnson, so Jordan averaged 11.4 assists per game (and 31.2ppg).
Good chance Jordan leads the league in assists if he plays with Wade and Bosh.
Pippen got in the way of Jordan's assist stats, because Pippen wasn't much of a shooter, so Bulls made Pippen play Point Forward... plus the Triangle made everyone touch the ball so it was hard for one player to average huge assists.

And in terms of creativity and skill, I've never seen LeBron pass the ball as spectacularly as Jordan did, probably because of Jordan's big hands.
For entertainment, Bird, Jordan and Magic are my 3 favorite passers.
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Post#73 » by One Last Shot » Fri Oct 17, 2025 5:18 pm

MavsDirk41 wrote:
One Last Shot wrote:
MavsDirk41 wrote:

Lol you posted statistics comparing Jordan and Pippen playing without each other for the purpose of trying to prove that Jordan couldn’t win without Pippen and you obviously didnt look at something kind of important like - who were their teammates during those years, and instead of realizing that blunder you are stuck on this? Orlando was the #1 seed and had the better roster. Chicago beating them would have been an upset.

You showed Jordans playoff record without Pippen, and Pippens playoff record without Jordan, but why do you think Jordan should have had a better playoff record without Pippen?


The thing is I don't give a damn about Pippen's record without Jordan or who did he played with after MJ. I have discussion with someone that Jordan isn't capable to carry a terrible squad to a single playoffs series win or even a single winning season that's why I search his record without Pippen and posted the first tweet I found here, it just happen that Scottie's record was included. Let's talk about MJ being a losing player before the Bulls drafted Pippen and his 2 years with the Wizards, that's 5 years sample size.

1st season
30-52 rs
1-3 playoffs

2nd season
9-9 rs
0-3 playoffs

3rd season
40-42 rs
0-3 playoffs


*Bulls drafted Pippen and Horace Grant in Jordan's 4th season


14th season with Wizards
30-30 rs
miss the playoffs

15th season
37-45 rs
miss the playoffs


Jordan's career win-loss record before the Bulls drafted Pippen including playoffs

147-187(44% win rate)


So Jordan won 44% of their games without Scottie in his roster which I consider a terrible squad. that's 36-win pace in 82 games. That's his career before the Bulls drafted Pippen and his last 2 years with the Wizards. Am I wrong when I said that MJ isn't capable to carry a terrible squad to a single playoffs series win or even 1 winning season like other all-time great?



1988 Chicago Bulls went 50-32
Regular Season

Jordan 35/6/6
Oakley 12/13
Sam Vincent 13/8 (29 games)
Pippen 8/4
Corzine 10/6
Grant 8/6
Paxson 8/4

1st round against Cleveland Bulls won 3-2
Jordan 45/5/5
Oakley 11/13
Pippen 10/5
Grant 9/8
Vincent 8/2
Corzine 7/7

Is that not a carry job?


Like I said, the Bulls stop being a terrible squad once they got Pippen and Horace Grant. There's a reason why those 2 rookies averaged almost 30 minutes per game in their first playoffs run. I value defense, not just ppg and those 2 are good defenders then they have excellent defender in Charles Oakley and MJ himself. Jordan never had a losing season again and won his first playoffs series the moment Bulls drafted Pippen and Horace, not until his Wizards days anyway.
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Post#74 » by MavsDirk41 » Fri Oct 17, 2025 5:29 pm

One Last Shot wrote:
MavsDirk41 wrote:
One Last Shot wrote:
The thing is I don't give a damn about Pippen's record without Jordan or who did he played with after MJ. I have discussion with someone that Jordan isn't capable to carry a terrible squad to a single playoffs series win or even a single winning season that's why I search his record without Pippen and posted the first tweet I found here, it just happen that Scottie's record was included. Let's talk about MJ being a losing player before the Bulls drafted Pippen and his 2 years with the Wizards, that's 5 years sample size.

1st season
30-52 rs
1-3 playoffs

2nd season
9-9 rs
0-3 playoffs

3rd season
40-42 rs
0-3 playoffs


*Bulls drafted Pippen and Horace Grant in Jordan's 4th season


14th season with Wizards
30-30 rs
miss the playoffs

15th season
37-45 rs
miss the playoffs


Jordan's career win-loss record before the Bulls drafted Pippen including playoffs

147-187(44% win rate)


So Jordan won 44% of their games without Scottie in his roster which I consider a terrible squad. that's 36-win pace in 82 games. That's his career before the Bulls drafted Pippen and his last 2 years with the Wizards. Am I wrong when I said that MJ isn't capable to carry a terrible squad to a single playoffs series win or even 1 winning season like other all-time great?



1988 Chicago Bulls went 50-32
Regular Season

Jordan 35/6/6
Oakley 12/13
Sam Vincent 13/8 (29 games)
Pippen 8/4
Corzine 10/6
Grant 8/6
Paxson 8/4

1st round against Cleveland Bulls won 3-2
Jordan 45/5/5
Oakley 11/13
Pippen 10/5
Grant 9/8
Vincent 8/2
Corzine 7/7

Is that not a carry job?


Like I said, the Bulls stop being a terrible squad once they got Pippen and Horace Grant. There's a reason why those 2 rookies averaged almost 30 minutes per game in their first playoffs run. I value defense, not just ppg and those 2 are good defenders then they have excellent defender in Charles Oakley and MJ himself. Jordan never had a losing season again and won his first playoffs series the moment Bulls drafted Pippen and Horace, not until his Wizards days anyway.



Lol that season and playoff run was without a doubt a carry job by Jordan, Pippen and Grant were rookies and had minimal impact on that Bulls season and playoff series against Cleveland. Without Jordan that Bulls team doesnt win more than 15 games that season they were so inept offensively. Charles Oakley and Sam Vincent were their other two offensive options outside of Jordan. It’s ridiculous for you to think otherwise. You are a fan of a certain player and biased. Nothing else to say.
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Re: Which of LeBron's running mates would MJ have the best chemistry with? Irving, Love, Wade, Bosh, Davis or Doncic? 

Post#75 » by DoItALL9 » Sat Oct 18, 2025 11:46 pm

If Chris Bosh played his career with MJ he'd be lifted in history like Pippen, Top 30 player all time at worst.

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Re: If Michael Jordan switched places with LeBron, which of LeBron's running mates would MJ have the best chemistry with 

Post#76 » by dhsilv2 » Mon Oct 20, 2025 4:25 am

bonita_the_frog wrote:
dhsilv2 wrote:
bonita_the_frog wrote:Oh, I was putting MJ into LeBron's Cavs, Heat and Lakers, so Triangle wasn't a consideration.


That would be a terrible use of MJ. While Jordan could run a set like that, he was just better off ball. And he's not remotely an elite passer.

Jordan played Point Guard for a few weeks in 1988-89 and had 15 triple doubles, so if Jordan had to share the ball he'd average HUGE assist numbers.

And in the 1991 Finals Jordan chose to focus on playmaking because he was playing against Magic Johnson, so Jordan averaged 11.4 assists per game (and 31.2ppg).
Good chance Jordan leads the league in assists if he plays with Wade and Bosh.
Pippen got in the way of Jordan's assist stats, because Pippen wasn't much of a shooter, so Bulls made Pippen play Point Forward... plus the Triangle made everyone touch the ball so it was hard for one player to average huge assists.

And in terms of creativity and skill, I've never seen LeBron pass the ball as spectacularly as Jordan did, probably because of Jordan's big hands.
For entertainment, Bird, Jordan and Magic are my 3 favorite passers.


Every single person on earth knows about MJ's week of being a point guard. It changes nothing...god it's annoying people are so insulting they keep saying it.

As for you not seeing lebron pass it more creatively, who cares? Leborn has better vision and makes better decisions passing. Jordan often would take shots instead of making better passes. Lebron you might argue did the opposite. But lebron just saw the passing lanes better and faster.

Also if Manu isn't in your top 3 entertaining passers. You're a boring ass person lol. Heck Jason Williams should be in that group before MJ....and even bird, love his passing...but come on! Don't be boring!
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Re: Which of LeBron's running mates would MJ have the best chemistry with? Irving, Love, Wade, Bosh, Davis or Doncic? 

Post#77 » by Daddy 801 » Mon Oct 20, 2025 5:59 am

Just playing style and not mentality I think it’s Luka.

Including mentality I think it’s Wade. Pretty sure Wade is the only one who could have hung with Jordan’s intensity in the whole team.

Darkhorse of the group is Love. Love doesn’t have that dog in him, but I just think he could have taken a backseat more easily without getting butthurt.

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