Amare to the Bucks?

[Sigra]

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The Suns are not going to trade for Simmons, Yi and Voshkuhl. They are no longer a contender after that trade and they would take the massive talent downgrade from Redd to Simmons to save just 5 million next season?

Yeah... That's realistic.

Redd open = miss
Redd contested = hit
Most of the time

Suns have no use of Redd. Even their Bell hit open shots. They don't need Redd and his ISO.

Redd is the amateur. Fools gold. He is WAY overpaid. He is not 17M/year player. 8M/year at most. Suns are not goint to trade for such a overpaid player.

If Suns trade Amare they will do it only if they save money and keep talent in frontcourt. Yi, Simmons, Voskuhl do all that for them. Yi is already much better defender than Amare and is only going to be better. Next year he could have same offansive numbers as Amare. Nash would make that happen and Yi has both athleticism and jumper to do what Amare does with Nash.

Redd is joke.

[REDDzone]

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He's dumb enough to allow the prospect of Brian Skinner, Amare Stoudamire and Shawn Marion do it... I think Gadzuric could do just as good of a job on him as any of those guys. In fact he may be a better post defender than any of them.

The difference is now they have a guy like Amare who can offset Duncan's production (offensive) with production on his own.

Gadzuric would trip over his own feet, or injure Nash somehow inadvertently.

[nwy2211]

So if this is the case, then Mo moves to SG and Ivey would start? or bring up Sessions

Sessions/Ivey
Mo
Diaw
Stoudemire
Bogut

I like it I like it alot!

[Simulack]

Let's think about this for a minute.. before we start saying dump Yi Jianlian to get Amare.

Jesus, you make it sound like we are trading him for garbage rather than a 25 year old whose already been on the All-NBA first team.

The only type of prospects you don't trade to get are guys like Lebron and Howard a few years ago. Yi's nowhere near that category. If he could be part of a package to get Amare, Bucks would have to pull the trigger on the deal.

Sounds unrealistic anyway. I'd love if we could swing some sort of Redd/CV for Marion deal though (although Marion's contract situation makes such a move very risky).

[75totheMACCfund]

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The difference is now they have a guy like Amare who can offset Duncan's production (offensive) with production on his own.

Gadzuric would trip over his own feet, or injure Nash somehow inadvertently.

fact. I see your logic in that if they traded for Yi + Redd + a 1st...they'd have no one to guard duncan, so in that sense i understand your reasoning that Gadz isn't the worst thing for them. I just think it's a major downgrade for them. How has redd down historically against bruce bowen? I know bowen is getting old and will be out of the league in 2 - 3 years, but so will nash so the time is now for phoenix.

[Newz]

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Redd open = miss
Redd contested = hit
Most of the time

Suns have no use of Redd. Even their Bell hit open shots. They don't need Redd and his ISO.

Redd is the amateur. Fools gold. He is WAY overpaid. He is not 17M/year player. 8M/year at most. Suns are not goint to trade for such a overpaid player.

If Suns trade Amare they will do it only if they save money and keep talent in frontcourt. Yi, Simmons, Voskuhl do all that for them. Yi is already much better defender than Amare and is only going to be better. Next year he could have same offansive numbers as Amare. Nash would make that happen and Yi has both athleticism and jumper to do what Amare does with Nash.

Redd is joke.

Yeah, let team USA know that Redd wide open = Miss, Jerry Colangelo needs your help recruiting a better shooter than him so we can win the Olympics, oh wait there aren't any better than he is... I'm pretty sure he is one of the deadliest shooters alive, regardless of if he is open or covered.

Redd won't be ISOing, he will he hitting open jump shots and being a ridiculously high percentage scorer at the 2 next to Steve Nash. He'll be playing with someone who can create scoring opportunities for him like when he played with Ford his rookie season... Back when Redd was an all-star.

Simmons and Voshkuhl add 'talent' to their front court? By talent you mean a 6'6" plodder who has played at a d-league level and a guy who they can use as an expiring contract?

Yi is already better than Stoudamire defensively?

Yi can put up Stoudamires numbers next year?

Just typing a response makes me wonder why I even bother to read your posts.

[75totheMACCfund]

so on draft night with the number 6 pick, Harris trades it to phoenix with redd plus a future first for Amare...people would actually complain about that? Amare is an amazing athlete with years left in him. Paired with Bogut, that'd be a dominant front line. The bucks would have two offensive options in the post to work in and out from. That'd be unbelievable...No team would be able to double down in the low post because of leaving the other open or allowing for an easy perimeter shot.

[75totheMACCfund]

Redd does not miss wide open threes when he's in rhythm. I guarantee you if he gets that many open shots, his rhythm will be unstoppable and would shoot around 50% from three. Call me crazy...

[paul]

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Redd open = miss
Redd contested = hit
Most of the time

Suns have no use of Redd. Even their Bell hit open shots. They don't need Redd and his ISO.

Redd is the amateur. Fools gold. He is WAY overpaid. He is not 17M/year player. 8M/year at most. Suns are not goint to trade for such a overpaid player.

If Suns trade Amare they will do it only if they save money and keep talent in frontcourt. Yi, Simmons, Voskuhl do all that for them. Yi is already much better defender than Amare and is only going to be better. Next year he could have same offansive numbers as Amare. Nash would make that happen and Yi has both athleticism and jumper to do what Amare does with Nash.

Redd is joke.

Damn we get carried away in here some times. It would take an astronomical leap for Yi to get anywhere near 22/9 next year, just absolutely no possible way that happens imo, or even gets close to happening.

Michael Redd is the best player on the bucks, he is not a joke. He has his faults, but to call him a joke is a joke.

EDIT - Yi is also an average defender at best at this point. Too many people think because his D is better than CV's that he's a good defender, he is not. He gets backed into the post embarrasingly easy through lack of strength, misses more rotations than anyone else on the team, and his man gets more open dunks than any other player. He is a solid man defender on the perimeter, but that's about where it ends.

[Chuck Diesel]

Amare can't guard Duncan anyway. Timmy always abuses him and last year the Suns had Kurt Thomas on Duncan in the playoffs.

[Sigra]

Just typing a response makes me wonder why I even bother to read your posts

Same here. And yes I am talking about NBA. Not FIBA basketball. If we are going to talk about FIBA basketball then we have to bring back Daniel Santiago because he is dominant player for his national team. And Spurs should cut Duncan as he sucks at FIBA basketball. Miami would already trade Wade for same reason.

These days Bogut create open shots for Redd but he looks kind of bad when he is not alpha dog in NBA. Redd will never be good role player in NBA because he has huge huge ego problem. In USA team? Sure

[Sigra]

Michael Redd is the best player on the bucks

Nope. Not even close really. Best circus player? Sure. Best if you play one on one basketball on street? Sure. But not best player.

[Newz]

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Same here. And yes I am talking about NBA. Not FIBA basketball. If we are going to talk about FIBA basketball then we have to bring back Daniel Santiago because he is dominant player for his national team. And Spurs should cut Duncan as he sucks at FIBA basketball. Miami would already trade Wade for same reason.

These days Bogut create open shots for Redd but he looks kind of bad when he is not alpha dog in NBA. Redd will never be good role player in NBA because he has huge huge ego problem. In USA team? Sure

Wade is mediocre in FIBA basketball because they play a zone and restrict his ability to drive to the basket... And Santiago is good in FIBA basketball because he plays against 6'8" scrubs.

The point is that Michael Redd can make wide open shots, especially when in rhythm, at a very high percentage.

Redd is one of the best shooters in the world. You can ask GMs, coaches, scouts, the posters on page 6 of this thread and anyone with common sense, they'll all tell you the same thing.

[Sigra]

The point is that Michael Redd can make wide open shots, especially when in rhythm, at a very high percentage.

He can when he feels that it is fair for him to be role player. Like in national team. Redd doesn't mind to be role player for USA. Great. But every bone in his body is against idea of him being role player in his NBA team. You will understand one day

[Newz]

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He can when he feels that it is fair for him to be role player. Like in national team. Redd doesn't mind to be role player for USA. Great. But every bone in his body is against idea of him being role player in his NBA team. You will understand one day

The only thing I understand about what you are saying is that you are either mentally handicapped or just know very little about basketball.

Are you trying to say that Redd misses open shots on purpose because he isn't a role player?

[paul]

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Nope. Not even close really. Best circus player? Sure. Best if you play one on one basketball on street? Sure. But not best player.

I sincerely hope that Bogut can continue this great run of his for long enough that we can call him the best player on the bucks, however Redd is and has been for the past 4 years the bucks best player, like him or not. He has flaws that drive us all crazy, but that doesn't mean he hasn't been our best player. And if your suggesting Mo is, well, he's not. Redd has higher averages in most categories except assists, and can actually play some form of defense.

[Whiteman]

While we're discussing crazy trade ideas, I might as well throw one out here.

Bogut
Mo
Voskuhl

for

Amare


This leaves the Bucks thin at PG for now, and only makes sense if you believe an Amare / Yi frontcourt will work. Redd, Amare and Yi would be under contract for several more seasons, Bucks would have time to build around them.

The Suns are my second favorite team, and I truly believe this trade would make them stronger now, without risking their future.

[Buck You]

The rumor's standings are now 0-4.

[Buck You]

Amare can't guard Duncan anyway. Timmy always abuses him and last year the Suns had Kurt Thomas on Duncan in the playoffs.

That's because Amare isn't a defender. He's a flashy, super athletic freak with a nice jump shot.

[Profound23]

We would have to take Marcus Banks/Amare for CV/Yi/Redd if the Suns were willing........but I am sure they would rather trade him for an expiring contract or two.