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Re: Yet another D-league thread 

Post#61 » by cwb3 » Fri Dec 17, 2010 5:50 pm

Ed Wood wrote:Hey suger, thanks for stopping by the thread to check out the new post. Hope you like it, I'm about to lay some pretty terrible ideas on you.

So we're right about at the point in the season where it's reasonable to assume that the Wizards are going to be awful for the duration of the year and that there are a few players on the team who have been so generally and dependably lousy that even if doing something about isn't gonna get those wins I'm in favor of doing it anyway, only so that I get to watch Wizards basketball without watching those particular gentlemen. Thus far the lucky trio have been Hilton Armstrong, Al Thornton and Yi Jianlian.

I don't so much want the team to find players better than them right away (feel free I guess Ernie) but I definitely want it to find players who are not them. And because the easiest place to find guys who play basketball professionally and are not any of those three is the D-League here we are. So here's my challenge: let's imagine that the Wizards' decide they have a few broken bells on the team and decide to give up the ghost inside for the year: let's find some terrible D-Leaguers and and let's make a few NBA dreams come true...

Guys I might consider throwing a ten day at:
Kyle Weaver: A big, defense first guard with significant NBA experience and a little bit of a shot, Weaver could supplement Heinriche and Gil at shooting guard and allow Young to play more at small forward. Which is not a good idea, because Young has been much more productive at guard but it does have the advantage of involving no Al Thornton whatsoever. Someone to look at if the team get's a decent offer for Keanu.

Chris Johnson: Skinny athletic big guy playing for those other Wizards, and just about the only guy playing well for those other Wizards Johnson has basically been Dakota's JaVale McGee. And I will absolutely take any kind of JaVale McGee over Stretch.

Patrick Ewing Jr: Another guy with some NBA experience, mostly the experience of an NBA bench on his butt, Patrick has been pretty good so far this year and is definitely not Al Thornton. I have this from a trustworthy source. Might be able to shoot the occasional three if he can do anything at the NBA level.

Lance Thomas: Former Duke hustle guy who's been pretty good for Austin (the Spurs affiliate) and who sang backup in college to so many players with so much talent that he might be a little better than he looked at Duke. Who cares, Trevor Booker is currently endearing himself by running around and not being Yi and Lance Thomas is capable of both of those things.

DeShawn Sims: I could take a couple sentences to tell you about Sims and remind you that he isn't Hilton Armstrong but I'll instead mention that Manny Harris has stuck with the Cavs and that I wish he hadn't so I could advocate signing him.

Seth Tarver/Richard Roby/Zabian Dowdell/Marcus Landry/Paul Harris: Marcus Landry might be Al Thornton with a lot of acne, but I'm fairly confident about the rest of these guys.

Sean Williams: Yes, that Sean Williams. Yes I am aware of what a screwup he's been over his career, and that this team does not need another guy like that. Whatever, 420 over 4 for 20 on elbow jumpers anyday and Seans up Yis down.


I thought you were going to suggest the Wizards simply move down into the D-League for the remainder of the year. Its about where they belong.
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Re: Yet another D-league thread 

Post#62 » by closg00 » Sun Dec 19, 2010 3:24 am

Bump, someone is going to get cut and we might bring back Lester or another call-up. Scottie Reynolds fits the bill.
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Post#63 » by MF23 » Sun Dec 19, 2010 3:38 am

Chris Johnson looks like JaVale. I will say in the limited amount I've seen him he looks like a better prospect than Yi has during the season. I would definitely endorse signing him.
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Re: Yet another D-league thread 

Post#64 » by closg00 » Tue Jan 4, 2011 2:56 pm

Teams can begin using the 10-day call-up starting on Wednesday, so here's a list of candidates just for fun. I would love to see Aaron Miles get a shot a replacing Hudson. If you're feeling nutty, Sean Williams is the top Center prospect, averaging double-double just about every game.
http://my.nba.com/cms/nba_d-league/pros ... didates_13
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Re: Yet another D-league thread 

Post#65 » by closg00 » Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:17 pm

Catch our-guy Hamady in-action tomorrow on NBA TV during the currently underway D-League Showcase. Here's the schedule.
http://www.nba.com/dleague/news/showcas ... _2011.html
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Post#66 » by Ruzious » Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:31 pm

Ed, Lance Thomas? Really?

That reminds - there's a reason these guys are not in the NBA.

Chris Johnson measured at 7' tall and 192 lbs in the pre-draft camp a few years ago. That'd probably make his NBA position small forward. You'd have to be very creative to find him an NBA niche now that he's 25, but I hear he's shooting 3's.
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Post#67 » by verbal8 » Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:52 pm

Ruzious wrote:Chris Johnson measured at 7' tall and 192 lbs in the pre-draft camp a few years ago. That'd probably make his NBA position small forward. You'd have to be very creative to find him an NBA niche now that he's 25, but I hear he's shooting 3's.

If he was named Chrisophe Johansen, EG would sign him in a second j/k
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Re: Yet another D-league thread 

Post#68 » by Ruzious » Tue Feb 1, 2011 8:58 pm

I loved this guy's potential when he was at UConn, but he was very poorly developed by Calhoun and had a disasterous senior season. Tremendous athlete with nearly Wall like speed with the ball. Tweener sized and never developed his PG skills and jump shot. He needs to develop one or the other to play in the NBA - and developing a jump shot is a lot easier than developing PG skills.
Jerome Dyson of the Tulsa 66ers was named NBA Development League Performer of the Week on Monday for games played during the week of Jan. 24.

Dyson, a guard out of Connecticut who spent the 2010 NBA Summer League with the Cleveland Cavaliers, led the 66ers to a 2-1 record on the week, averaging 28.3 points, 2.7 rebounds, 3.0 assists and 1.0 steals.

After scoring 21 points in Tulsa's 107-101 win at Springfield on Jan. 27, Dyson shot 6-of-9 from three-point range, scoring a game-high 37 points to go along with four rebounds, two assists and two steals in the 66ers’ 118-98 victory over the Armor the next day.

He also scored a team-high 27 points in Tulsa’s 109-106 loss to Maine on Sunday.
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Post#69 » by closg00 » Sat Feb 5, 2011 11:07 pm

D-League All-Star roster:

Selected to the NBA D-League All-Star East Team were Chris Johnson (Dakota Wizards), Ivan Johnson and Garrett Temple (Erie BayHawks), Walker Russell Jr. (Fort Wayne Mad Ants), Othyus Jeffers, Courtney Sims and Curtis Stinson (Iowa Energy), DeShawn Sims (Maine Red Claws), Patrick Ewing Jr. and Dexter Pittman (Sioux Falls Skyforce).

Chosen to the NBA D-League All-Star West Team, playing host to the East Team in Los Angeles, were Marcus Cousin (Austin Toros), Trey Johnson (Bakersfield Jam), Shane Edwards (New Mexico Thunderbirds), Jeff Adrien and Mustafa Shakur (Rio Grande Valley Vipers), Joe Alexander and Sean Williams (Texas Legends), Larry Owens and Zabian Dowdell (Tulsa 66ers) and Orien Greene (Utah Flash).


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Post#70 » by closg00 » Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:29 pm

Has anyone noticed the run on D-League signings? Given the lock-out and supposed weakness of the draft, teams are probably better-off getting experienced, often solid ballers from the Development League on the cheap, rather than trying to land one through the draft. By making these year-end deals they get their rights. This will be the trend from now-on I suspect.
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Post#71 » by fishercob » Tue Apr 19, 2011 4:08 pm

Good article here:

http://www.ridiculousupside.com/2011/4/ ... f-the-year

"What does Curtis Stinson -- a guy no team in the NBA or Europe has any interest in -- winning MVP of the D-League, say about the D-League?," Givony asked. "Stinson played in Europe a couple of times but couldn't adjust his game, or mentality enough, so he was cut. This summer he had zero offers."

The MVP of the D-League doesn't say much in terms of NBA talent, actually, as there were a record 103 former D-League players on NBA rosters to end the season and a grand total of one of them -- Charlotte Bobcats reserve Matt Carroll -- had previously been named the NBA Development League's Most Valuable Player since the award was introduced in 2002.

Givony then went on to say that he "wasn't trying to bag on Stinson. Just pointing out how little the stats and style that's played in the D-League translates to real basketball."
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Re: Yet another D-league thread 

Post#72 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Apr 22, 2011 9:06 pm

The Wizards have a lot of young players and though they have three picks, I'm not sure adding three rookies to this core group is the way to go. I would have absolutely no problem with Stinson as backup PG next season--sight unseen. I think just like Jeffers, he's a great basketball player who just needs the right situation where he can contribute as a backup.

http://www.nba.com/suns/news/versus_110422.html

Several of the NBA’s top prospects, including NBA D-League MVP Curtis Stinson, can be seen on national television on Sun., April 24, when the top-seeded Iowa Energy, the NBA Development League affiliate of the Phoenix Suns and Chicago Bulls, play at the defending-champion Rio Grande Valley Vipers at 7 p.m. CT in Game 1 of the NBA D-League Finals. The game will be televised nationally on VERSUS at 10:30 p.m. ET.

Iowa, the No. 1 seed in the postseason after earning a 37-13 regular season record, features both the NBA D-League MVP in guard Curtis Stinson and Coach of the Year in Nick Nurse. Stinson has averaged 27.4 points, 6.6 rebounds and 8.8 assists in five playoff games, series victories over the Utah Flash in the first round and Tulsa 66ers in the semifinals.


Stinson is 28 and IMO Jon Givony is wrong. It happens to all of us. Stinson should have a good challenge in which to showcase his talent to NBA scouts from another (perhaps better and certainly younger) prospect.

The Vipers are the defending NBA D-League champion, and are attempting to become only the second repeat champion in NBA D-League history. Leading the Vipers will be All-NBA D-League Third Team guard Jerel McNeal, who has averaged 27.0 points, 5.6 rebounds and 7.0 assists in the first two rounds of the playoffs, and former Duke All-American Jon Scheyer, who has averaged 12.0 points, 4.0 rebounds and 4.0 assists in the playoffs.
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Re: Yet another D-league thread 

Post#73 » by closg00 » Mon Jun 6, 2011 12:32 pm

NBA Rumors: D-League Is Becoming A Priority For Some Teams

As far as other teams considering buying into the D-League, I've heard the Indiana Pacers (more here), Golden State Warriors and Washington Wizards are said to at least trying to figure out the logistics of buying into the D-League. There's also a chance, I'm hearing, that the Los Angeles Lakers re-join the foray after dismantling the D-Fenders for a season.

http://www.ridiculousupside.com/2011/6/ ... rs-hornets

Rumors weaved with some reporting? Some of what is written here sounds very plausable.
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Post#74 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Mon Jun 6, 2011 3:27 pm

Guys like Jeffers, Owens, Shakur, and Martin are proof positive that D-League talent can step right in and play in the NBA. I think the NBA and the NCAA could be creative and cooperatively work together to find ways to improve both NCAA play and the caliber of the D-League, with most NBA teams having an affiliate.

--NCAA ball would be of a higher quality and players could develop better if all players got a stipend in addition to their scholarship, but were required to stay at least 2 seasons after accepting a D-1 hoops scholarship.

--The NBA IMO should also be able to draft NCAA D-1 scholar athletes after their sophomore seasons. Players that have been drafted as NCAA sophomores, say like Jordan Williams, but who could use more seasoning should be given a choice to stay in college and have their rights owned and draft status secured. This would give that player a chance to come back to school and mature as a player, mature socially, mature academically, and it would create a lot more stability at that player's school.

--NCAA players that are drafted but stay should also have flexibility when their basketball season is over that they can train at D-League or NBA facilities, or be activated immediately. (Hypothetically, a kid like Jordan Williams could have declared, stayed in, been drafted, return to Maryland and play his junior season. Then, the day his season ends in March he gets called up to his NBA team as a practice player.

Any how, just a few thoughts off the top. Pay NCAA players so there are less Terrell Pryor cases where kids are pawning stuff for spending money. Give them stipends for movie money or travel money, etc. Draft kids but give them and option to stay. IIRC Larry Bird was drafted by the Celtics before he left ISU. Last, throw some NBA money into the D-League affiliates and make it so ALL PLAYERS can try out. I think with facebook, twitter, etc that the D-League could blow up if the NBA wanted it to.



NCAA play would improve because players would stay longer and mature and improve, even at the big name programs. (Guys like Wall would play 2, 3, or even 4 seasons).
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Post#75 » by closg00 » Mon Jun 6, 2011 6:06 pm

Those are some good ideas CCJ, what it looks like the NBA is working towards, is allowing teams (should they choose to pursue it) to set-up a farm system where they control the rights of every player on the roster, the players end-up being additional chips in the orgs pocket and easy call-ups when they have injuries.

The scramble to lock-up prospects for the D-League itself is becoming more and more competative.

NBA teams are inching closer and closer to joining the hybrid arrangement that has worked so well between the Houston Rockets and Rio Grande Valley Vipers. League sources have indicated that both the Cleveland Cavaliers and New York Knicks have been proactive about buying into the NBA Development League this offseason.

The Cavs, which have been working rather closely with the nearby Erie BayHawks the past few seasons, are rumored to be in talks to buy the New Mexico Thunderbirds with plans to move them to a nearby location. Three separate sources have mentioned Youngstown, Ohio -- long a site the Cavs have been interested in -- with the ideal location the Cavs would like to have a team located.
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Post#76 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Mon Jun 6, 2011 6:25 pm

Thanks, closg00.

I think I'll put that on the General Discussion thread to get additional feedback and maybe generate other ideas as well.
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Post#77 » by closg00 » Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:14 pm

closg00 wrote:
NBA Rumors: D-League Is Becoming A Priority For Some Teams

As far as other teams considering buying into the D-League, I've heard the Indiana Pacers (more here), Golden State Warriors and Washington Wizards are said to at least trying to figure out the logistics of buying into the D-League. There's also a chance, I'm hearing, that the Los Angeles Lakers re-join the foray after dismantling the D-Fenders for a season.

http://www.ridiculousupside.com/2011/6/ ... rs-hornets

Rumors weaved with some reporting? Some of what is written here sounds very plausable.


*Bump* The news about the Dakota Wizards is bad news for us, teams are really locking-down the use of affiliates, I guess we'll sit this year our or fly our guys to Cali.
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Post#78 » by verbal8 » Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:43 pm

closg00 wrote:
closg00 wrote:
NBA Rumors: D-League Is Becoming A Priority For Some Teams

As far as other teams considering buying into the D-League, I've heard the Indiana Pacers (more here), Golden State Warriors and Washington Wizards are said to at least trying to figure out the logistics of buying into the D-League. There's also a chance, I'm hearing, that the Los Angeles Lakers re-join the foray after dismantling the D-Fenders for a season.

http://www.ridiculousupside.com/2011/6/ ... rs-hornets

Rumors weaved with some reporting? Some of what is written here sounds very plausable.


*Bump* The news about the Dakota Wizards is bad news for us, teams are really locking-down the use of affiliates, I guess we'll sit this year our or fly our guys to Cali.


I wonder if the GSW buying the Dakota Wizards, influenced the drafting in the second round. Vesely and Singleton should play in the NBA, but most of the options other than Mack would have needed the option to send them to D-League.
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Post#79 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:01 am

Well, of course Ted should buy a Dleague team and name it The Baltimore Bullets.

The orange uniforms too, the ones Gil wore at the allstar weekend.
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Post#80 » by verbal8 » Wed Jun 29, 2011 12:32 pm

SUPERBALLMAN wrote:Well, of course Ted should buy a Dleague team and name it The Baltimore Bullets.

The orange uniforms too, the ones Gil wore at the allstar weekend.


That would be a cool option.

I could also see arguments for the Tidewater area(expanding Wizards geographic territory) or Fairfax(proximity to NBA team) in VA.

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