Magic(32-18) @ Knicks(25-25)

[rcklsscognition]

Again, Stan does the best he can with the players given. The make up of this team is inherently flawed. We live and die by the 3. You expect games like this when you have stiffs that do nothing but shoot 3's. I expect games like this. I can't blame Stan. I look at our record, and we've definitely overachieved this season. Our team just doesn't have the offensive diversity to score consistently. And when 3's don't fall, we get blown out. I can't blame Stan for that. That's the make up of the team. That's the players he's handed. Not a single player can take their guy off the dribble. It's pick n roll or hope Dwight is playing well.

We're talking about a coaching change. You'd have to assume the live by the 3 would leave with Stan. Just because we don't have the diversity under Stan doesn't mean another coach with a different system couldn't find it.

[Def Swami]

Davis is 10/6 in 20 MPG the last 5, not worried about him so much, I only see him improving, even if it's just a little, as we get into the playoffs.

J-Rich has logged less and less minutes each consecutive night since his last injury. From 36 MPG down to 21 now.

I actually give Davis a lot of props. He plays hard consistently. Sure he has the basketball IQ of a rock, but he is playing out of position. He's forced to play center, when he's clearly a power forward. I believe he'd play much better in his natural role.

[The Real Dalic]

Again, Stan does the best he can with the players given. The make up of this team is inherently flawed. We live and die by the 3. You expect games like this when you have stiffs that do nothing but shoot 3's. I expect games like this. I can't blame Stan. I look at our record, and we've definitely overachieved this season. Our team just doesn't have the offensive diversity to score consistently. And when 3's don't fall, we get blown out. I can't blame Stan for that. That's the make up of the team. That's the players he's handed. Not a single player can take their guy off the dribble. It's pick n roll or hope Dwight is playing well.

Wafer, Liggins, and Ish, can't even shoot 3's, because they want to get to the basket... I'm tired of hearing "what else do you expect from a 3pt shooting team?" we don't have to be a three point shooting team... Meer has shown he can do more than shoot threes, obviously Dwight doesn't shoot 3's... I also listed 3 other players in the beginning of this post... we don't HAVE TO SHOOT THREES...... we could sprinkle a few 3 point plays here and there for guys like Redick, Ryan, and Rich.... but we don't NEED to shoot 25+ 3's per game....

[ChildishGambino]

think about how much $25mil is and multiply it by 2. thats jrich and davis's worth. by benching those players that is basically throwing away 50mil and i'm sure otis told stan NOT to bench these guys.

And if that's the case then i have a big Phucking problem with that.....because then it's about politics and NOT about winning.....if we really wanted to win we would put guys out there that is going to play hard every single night....some of the guys we're playing now only plays hard when it's convenient....

[ORLMagicGirl15]

Why can't Stan just change the lineup?
Why not put Ish instead of Duhon as backup? It would definitely help Ish if he can play with our 1st and 2nd unit.
Why not let JJ start and Liggins his backup? Bench J-Rich. He's not producing anyway.

I don't get it, why not try something DIFFERENT?

[WeAreVenom]

How many times have we been rolled over this season?

Chicago (without Rose), Boston (without Allen and Rondo), Indiana, New Orleans (which is emabrassing enough, but to add insult to injury, no Gordon), Charlotte, Miami, Oklahoma, Atlanta and I'm sure I'm missing some.

This team is not a contender. Period. This kinda stuff doesn't happen to teams that are contending. The Heat lost by 16 to OKC and it was a huge thing for them......We seem to lose by 15 or more at least once every other week.

I just saw on Twitter, only the Magic and Clippers have lost 4 games by 20 or more points to teams currently in the playoffs. No other team has more than 2 of those loses.

Being 100% honest, I'm surprised it isn't more......

SMH, what are we doing? Where is the team's head at?

Seemed like we were better when Dwight had his trade demand.

[arkknight1988]

Again, Stan does the best he can with the players given. The make up of this team is inherently flawed. We live and die by the 3. You expect games like this when you have stiffs that do nothing but shoot 3's. I expect games like this. I can't blame Stan. I look at our record, and we've definitely overachieved this season. Our team just doesn't have the offensive diversity to score consistently. And when 3's don't fall, we get blown out. I can't blame Stan for that. That's the make up of the team. That's the players he's handed. Not a single player can take their guy off the dribble. It's pick n roll or hope Dwight is playing well.

Wafer, Liggins, and Ish, can't even shoot 3's, because they want to get to the basket... I'm tired of hearing "what else do you expect from a 3pt shooting team?" we don't have to be a three point shooting team... Meer has shown he can do more than shoot threes, obviously Dwight doesn't shoot 3's... I also listed 3 other players in the beginning of this post... we don't HAVE TO SHOOT THREES...... we could sprinkle a few 3 point plays here and there for guys like Redick, Ryan, and Rich.... but we don't NEED to shoot 25+ 3's per game....

this part is all on stan. he doesn't even play those guys u mentioned

[magicman123]

davis is coming off the bench and playing out of position, hes the only player besides dwight that can play center, you cant bench him, jrich on the other hand can be benched, hes useless if hes not draining 3's

[Def Swami]

Again, Stan does the best he can with the players given. The make up of this team is inherently flawed. We live and die by the 3. You expect games like this when you have stiffs that do nothing but shoot 3's. I expect games like this. I can't blame Stan. I look at our record, and we've definitely overachieved this season. Our team just doesn't have the offensive diversity to score consistently. And when 3's don't fall, we get blown out. I can't blame Stan for that. That's the make up of the team. That's the players he's handed. Not a single player can take their guy off the dribble. It's pick n roll or hope Dwight is playing well.

We're talking about a coaching change. You'd have to assume the live by the 3 would leave with Stan. Just because we don't have the diversity under Stan doesn't mean another coach with a different system couldn't find it.

Between Ryan, JRich, JJ, Hedo, Q, Duhon, and Jameer, where does the diversity come from? This team simply doesn't have the athletes to be successful playing any other way. Any of those guys taking their match up off the dribble? Drawing fouls at the rack? Playing above the rim? Living by the 3 maximizes the potential of this roster. I hate it like everyone else, but with this roster, that's the best way to roll. I highly doubt it's Stan's choice to run this, but given his roster, that's what he sees as the best way to win games.

[ORLMagicGirl15]

Again, Stan does the best he can with the players given. The make up of this team is inherently flawed. We live and die by the 3. You expect games like this when you have stiffs that do nothing but shoot 3's. I expect games like this. I can't blame Stan. I look at our record, and we've definitely overachieved this season. Our team just doesn't have the offensive diversity to score consistently. And when 3's don't fall, we get blown out. I can't blame Stan for that. That's the make up of the team. That's the players he's handed. Not a single player can take their guy off the dribble. It's pick n roll or hope Dwight is playing well.

Wafer, Liggins, and Ish, can't even shoot 3's, because they want to get to the basket... I'm tired of hearing "what else do you expect from a 3pt shooting team?" we don't have to be a three point shooting team... Meer has shown he can do more than shoot threes, obviously Dwight doesn't shoot 3's... I also listed 3 other players in the beginning of this post... we don't HAVE TO SHOOT THREES...... we could sprinkle a few 3 point plays here and there for guys like Redick, Ryan, and Rich.... but we don't NEED to shoot 25+ 3's per game....

I agree.

[arkknight1988]

Why can't Stan just change the lineup?
Why not put Ish instead of Duhon as backup? It would definitely help Ish if he can play with our 1st and 2nd unit.
Why not let JJ start and Liggins his backup? Bench J-Rich. He's not producing anyway.

I don't get it, why not try something DIFFERENT?

i agree but otis just gave the man 25$mil when a player like sam young can do what hes doing for 500k.

[The Real Dalic]

Again, Stan does the best he can with the players given. The make up of this team is inherently flawed. We live and die by the 3. You expect games like this when you have stiffs that do nothing but shoot 3's. I expect games like this. I can't blame Stan. I look at our record, and we've definitely overachieved this season. Our team just doesn't have the offensive diversity to score consistently. And when 3's don't fall, we get blown out. I can't blame Stan for that. That's the make up of the team. That's the players he's handed. Not a single player can take their guy off the dribble. It's pick n roll or hope Dwight is playing well.

We're talking about a coaching change. You'd have to assume the live by the 3 would leave with Stan. Just because we don't have the diversity under Stan doesn't mean another coach with a different system couldn't find it.

Between Ryan, JRich, JJ, Hedo, Q, Duhon, and Jameer, where does the diversity come from? This team simply doesn't have the athletes to be successful playing any other way. Any of those guys taking their match up off the dribble? Drawing fouls at the rack? Playing above the rim? Living by the 3 maximizes the potential of this roster. I hate it like everyone else, but with this roster, that's the best way to roll. I highly doubt it's Stan's choice to run this, but given his roster, that's what he sees as the best way to win games.

How do we know? we've only seen these guys being coached by Stan... what if you're wrong though? what if we could make these guys better with just a simple coaching change? I'm tired of this terrible offensive gameplan...

[GameOver25]

Did they have the postgame interview yet?

[magicman123]

Did they have the postgame interview yet?

yea, stan said we played terrible, but he likes this team

[The Real Dalic]

Did they have the postgame interview yet?

yea, stan said we played terrible, but he likes this team

Otis Jr.

[ChildishGambino]

i hate when people say well we only have shooters so that's why we live and die by the 3.....we can play and win in other ways....i've seen it....remember when we first made the trade and went on a nine game winning streak? remember the brand of basketball we played then? we more or less have the same players now that we did then....Running and Gunning is the brand of basketball we should be playing...

[ChosenSavior]

It is going to be a long two days, I'm so pissed off from this loss right now.

[Def Swami]

Again, Stan does the best he can with the players given. The make up of this team is inherently flawed. We live and die by the 3. You expect games like this when you have stiffs that do nothing but shoot 3's. I expect games like this. I can't blame Stan. I look at our record, and we've definitely overachieved this season. Our team just doesn't have the offensive diversity to score consistently. And when 3's don't fall, we get blown out. I can't blame Stan for that. That's the make up of the team. That's the players he's handed. Not a single player can take their guy off the dribble. It's pick n roll or hope Dwight is playing well.

Wafer, Liggins, and Ish, can't even shoot 3's, because they want to get to the basket... I'm tired of hearing "what else do you expect from a 3pt shooting team?" we don't have to be a three point shooting team... Meer has shown he can do more than shoot threes, obviously Dwight doesn't shoot 3's... I also listed 3 other players in the beginning of this post... we don't HAVE TO SHOOT THREES...... we could sprinkle a few 3 point plays here and there for guys like Redick, Ryan, and Rich.... but we don't NEED to shoot 25+ 3's per game....

Is Von or Liggins the guys that significantly improve this team from what it is now? It's not like their first steps are going to beat premier defenders to the basket. Meer is as inconsistent as any player in the league. I love his heart, but for every few good games Jameer and Hedo have, a few bad ones are on the way. I think you're overrating the ability of Von, Liggins, and Ish. It's not solely getting to the basket. It's getting into the paint, drawing double teams, and creating for others. Is Liggins, Von, or Ish going to do that consistently? No. Cries for Liggins, Von, and Ish are great for our bench and I support it at that, but it does nothing to help our offense. I think you're overrating a lot of guys buried on the bench. I think they could help our depth, but do they really make a difference offensively against the Heat, Bulls, or Hawks? Nope.

[rcklsscognition]

Players do not run the system. Stan runs the system. He has from day one. This is Stan and what he wants. He wants to play 1 in 4 out and shoot 3s. He believes in the efficiency of the 3. He has said it too many times not to believe it.

With the exception of Ryan, hasn't even FA this team picked up gotten worse when they came here and played in Stan's system? There may be some outliers, but in general?

[WeAreVenom]

It's been a pretty disappointing, embarassing 2 years for this franchise.

How much longer do we have to endure this before something changes.?

Call me crazy, but I think Stan is about to be fired. I don't agree with it, but it just feels like it......