KD to GS - Pt III

[ils411]

Amazing how little credit the guy get's for leading a team through 8 years in a small market. He and Westbrook have shared the main part of the burden in a pretty poorly coached offensive style.

He did great things for OKC...made them legit....put up with Westbrook schizoid ball for years....

And when he get's a chance to choose a team he wants to be on....he get's hammered and everyone forgets the last 8 years.

I recommend all the Haters turn down the next great offer they get to work in a great place...because it's better to show you are a MAN....and do it the HARD WAY BABY! lol

I don't think anyone is forgetting the 8 years and so, just that the move really is a dick move. does the move make sense? sure, a lot even. does he have the right to make that move that makes a lot of sense? he sure does. but its still a dick move.

for the record, I'd also do the same dick move coz..moneyz!

[Latrell]

come now, you're telling me that a Miami team with wade and bosh in 2011 wont make it to the EFC and not win a ring? If LeBron stayed in Clevland, a Miami team with bosh and wade would take him and his calvs out and go to the finals. Could win a ring too as they are just as talented as the spurs and whathaveyou.

point still stands
LeBron is a greater wuss than Durant when he left Clevland than Durant's wussiness now.
But that was then, the now is, Lebron has almost redeemed himself in my eyes and is now just lame but at least not a wuss while Duran is a sissy wussy wuss.

What!? I can't believe you're trying to argue that the 2011 Heat without LeBron was even remotely championship worthy. Even WITH LeBron, that team was terrible from a personnel standpoint.

Look at what that 2011 Heat team might have looked like without LeBron:

PG: Carlos Arroyo
SG: Dwyane Wade
SF: Michael Beasley
PF: Chris Bosh
C: Joel Anthony

And don't even get me started on their non-existent bench. By any objective measure THAT TEAM STINKS!

Now look at the Warriors without Kevin Durant.

NO CONTEST. (I mean, shoot, it still features a 2x NBA MVP and three All-Stars! )

And you're forgetting that the KG, Pierce, Allen & Rondo championship Boston Celtics were still alive and well in 2010, having just been in the NBA Finals that year. There was no guarantee that the Miami Heat were going to be able to beat the Celtics in the East. And when ESPN's panel of "experts" made their championship predictions at the start of the 2010-11 season most of them selected either the Lakers or the Celtics.

What LeBron did involved more risk and more uncertainty. And his Big 3s are always reliant on him for winning. But KD is joining an already completed and championship-proven Big 3, trying to create a Big 4. And for Golden State, Durant is actually expendable. They don't need him like the Heat needed LeBron.

curry or bron? bron of course
wade or Thompson? wade of course
bosh or green? green coz he likes to kick nuts

pierce or bron? bron
allen or wade? wade
kg or bosh? kg coz he likes to trash talk like no other

point is, LeBron was the king of wuss. end of story.

Durant and LeBron .

They're both wusses.

[Pennebaker]

The NBA will remain competitive and anything can happen.

Fans outside GS and Cleveland disagree.

There might be a slim chance the Spurs squeak into the finals but thats about it.

The season is looooong and one injury can change the fortunes of several franchises. Also chemistry... the Warriors are going to have to start over.

Durant and Curry are both going to have to be happy with their stats declining and being taken out of MVP consideration. They seem like they wouldn't mind, but only if they win. If they don't win, they will start to get frustrated with the arrangement.

[ils411]

What!? I can't believe you're trying to argue that the 2011 Heat without LeBron was even remotely championship worthy. Even WITH LeBron, that team was terrible from a personnel standpoint.

Look at what that 2011 Heat team might have looked like without LeBron:

PG: Carlos Arroyo
SG: Dwyane Wade
SF: Michael Beasley
PF: Chris Bosh
C: Joel Anthony

And don't even get me started on their non-existent bench. By any objective measure THAT TEAM STINKS!

Now look at the Warriors without Kevin Durant.

NO CONTEST. (I mean, shoot, it still features a 2x NBA MVP and three All-Stars! )

And you're forgetting that the KG, Pierce, Allen & Rondo championship Boston Celtics were still alive and well in 2010, having just been in the NBA Finals that year. There was no guarantee that the Miami Heat were going to be able to beat the Celtics in the East. And when ESPN's panel of "experts" made their championship predictions at the start of the 2010-11 season most of them selected either the Lakers or the Celtics.

What LeBron did involved more risk and more uncertainty. And his Big 3s are always reliant on him for winning. But KD is joining an already completed and championship-proven Big 3, trying to create a Big 4. And for Golden State, Durant is actually expendable. They don't need him like the Heat needed LeBron.

curry or bron? bron of course
wade or Thompson? wade of course
bosh or green? green coz he likes to kick nuts

pierce or bron? bron
allen or wade? wade
kg or bosh? kg coz he likes to trash talk like no other

point is, LeBron was the king of wuss. end of story.

Okay, I see you're not going to listen to reason. You have an irrational bias against James. So I'm done with this conversation. Good day.

no I don't. I don't rank players but I have LeBron pegged as one of the greatest ever with Jordan, shaq and Kobe.
if you notice, I said "was" and not "is", big difference. the crown has been passed to Durant who is now the king of wuss.
For the record, I don't have issues with Lebron or Durant's dick moves, I just think its wussy. but I get why they did it, but still wussy.
good day to you as well.

[ils411]

What!? I can't believe you're trying to argue that the 2011 Heat without LeBron was even remotely championship worthy. Even WITH LeBron, that team was terrible from a personnel standpoint.

Look at what that 2011 Heat team might have looked like without LeBron:

PG: Carlos Arroyo
SG: Dwyane Wade
SF: Michael Beasley
PF: Chris Bosh
C: Joel Anthony

And don't even get me started on their non-existent bench. By any objective measure THAT TEAM STINKS!

Now look at the Warriors without Kevin Durant.

NO CONTEST. (I mean, shoot, it still features a 2x NBA MVP and three All-Stars! )

And you're forgetting that the KG, Pierce, Allen & Rondo championship Boston Celtics were still alive and well in 2010, having just been in the NBA Finals that year. There was no guarantee that the Miami Heat were going to be able to beat the Celtics in the East. And when ESPN's panel of "experts" made their championship predictions at the start of the 2010-11 season most of them selected either the Lakers or the Celtics.

What LeBron did involved more risk and more uncertainty. And his Big 3s are always reliant on him for winning. But KD is joining an already completed and championship-proven Big 3, trying to create a Big 4. And for Golden State, Durant is actually expendable. They don't need him like the Heat needed LeBron.

curry or bron? bron of course
wade or Thompson? wade of course
bosh or green? green coz he likes to kick nuts

pierce or bron? bron
allen or wade? wade
kg or bosh? kg coz he likes to trash talk like no other

point is, LeBron was the king of wuss. end of story.

Durant and LeBron .

They're both wusses.

I understand the reasoning behind it, but yes, they are wusses.

[510TWSS]

Amazing how little credit the guy get's for leading a team through 8 years in a small market. He and Westbrook have shared the main part of the burden in a pretty poorly coached offensive style.

He did great things for OKC...made them legit....put up with Westbrook schizoid ball for years....

And when he get's a chance to choose a team he wants to be on....he get's hammered and everyone forgets the last 8 years.

I recommend all the Haters turn down the next great offer they get to work in a great place...because it's better to show you are a MAN....and do it the HARD WAY BABY! lol

He's getting hammered particularly because people REMEMBER the last 8 years. Especially last year. He joined the team that humiliated him and his teammates in the playoffs (imagine what his Thunder teammates are thinking about him now). Durant went full Benedict Arnold. He should've wanted to BEAT the Warriors, badly. Not join them. I've never seen anything like it.

[ils411]

Even if healthy (and Wade was always injury prone and pushing 30 when they came together) there's no way that team is winning titles in that window without Lebron. It's just so utterly absurd to state that in any way, shape or form.

sure they can.
only this season the warriros were the sure shot champions and they flamed out.
heck, lin went linsane in NY years ago and was like the greatest thing since slice bread even if in reality he is balls.
point is, nothing is set in stone and a team with a wade and bosh can win rings.

So you try and defend an absurd position by rambling about Jeremy Lin.... Stop digging

its nice how, just to prop up james, everyone else is the suck and james is the light of all lights.

[Pennebaker]

curry or bron? bron of course
wade or Thompson? wade of course
bosh or green? green coz he likes to kick nuts

pierce or bron? bron
allen or wade? wade
kg or bosh? kg coz he likes to trash talk like no other

point is, LeBron was the king of wuss. end of story.

Okay, I see you're not going to listen to reason. You have an irrational bias against James. So I'm done with this conversation. Good day.

no I don't. I don't rank players but I have LeBron pegged as one of the greatest ever with Jordan, shaq and Kobe.
if you notice, I said "was" and not "is", big difference. the crown has been passed to Durant who is now the king of wuss.
For the record, I don't have issues with Lebron or Durant's dick moves, I just think its wussy. but I get why they did it, but still wussy.
good day to you as well.

Kobe!?? Yeah, no.

Remember, LeBron joined Miami in order to beat the Celtics - the reigning East champs and the team he could not get past because he did not have enough talent around him to counter the trio of Hall of Famers in Boston. He never had an issue defeating either Dwyane Wade or Chris Bosh. So for LeBron to do what Durant just did, he would've had to join KG, Pierce and Allen - then you might have a point. But he didn't do anything close to that, so you don't really have much of a point.

[Cactus Jack]

KD should dedicate this season to the Seattle Super Sonics and all their fans and end it with the hashtag #LOYALTY

Made my day.

[te887848]

You either have to be a Durant Stan, or woefully uneducated about the history of this game to think Durant has any chance at top 10 all time status. And I say that as someone with great respect for him as a player, independent of the fact that I think he's a coward.

Are you 17 years old?

He's easily headed for top 10 all-time. Your judgement on the current top 10 must be way, way off base to believe that someone as accomplished as Durant who's set to co-anchor a long term dynasty won't crack the top 10. He's definitely going to do it, and it was only possible because he selected Golden State.

Please tell me who your top 10 of all-time are at the moment. KD is awesome, but I have a hard time fitting him into the top 10 (I realize you're basing this of future projection if championship are won). And you really think joining Golden State is the only way he could achieve that status? I find the latter extremely hard to believe.

Absolutely. His PER crushes that of Bird’s best, and many consider Bird a top 10 player ever. Durant is also a way better defender than Bird ever was and a far more efficient scorer. Just add “co-leader of dynasty” and “3-5 titles” to his resume and he easily kicks out guys like Bird and Hakeem. No question. Kobe too probably.

[te887848]

You either have to be a Durant Stan, or woefully uneducated about the history of this game to think Durant has any chance at top 10 all time status. And I say that as someone with great respect for him as a player, independent of the fact that I think he's a coward.

Are you 17 years old?

He's easily headed for top 10 all-time. Your judgement on the current top 10 must be way, way off base to believe that someone as accomplished as Durant who's set to co-anchor a long term dynasty won't crack the top 10. He's definitely going to do it, and it was only possible because he selected Golden State.

Emojis do not a case make. The assertion that he can possibly crack the all time top 10 reveals a lot about where you're coming from in this, and explain the depths to which you are willing to go to cheerlead this move he just made. You are obviously incredibly biased as it relates to him, and it's pointless to continue this as you furiously reply with Pom Poms in hand. Peace.

As one parting shot: you undermine your whole argument when you say he's going to be a top 10 player, and the only way he had a chance to be one is to hop on the back of a 73 win team... If his road to that status was that narrow, then gtfo telling me he's a top 10 all time player

The assertion that he cannot crack the top 10 all-time is very silly and one that stems from emotion clouding impartial judgement. Understandably you are clearly very upset that Durant has made the smartest and best decision for him and his legacy, but you must learn not to let your emotions affect the way you rank players. It’s based on how great they are and what they actually accomplished, not whether they went somewhere you didn’t want them to go to.

As I stated to the other poster, Durant is quite easily on pace to crack the top 10 all-time. He will kick out Hakeem (only 2 really elite seasons, others were nothing that special) and Bird (vastly inferior defender and much worse advanced stats) in about 5 years.

Understand how invincible this Warriors team is. They just won 73 games and added a consensus top 3 player in the league. Durant and Curry will basically take turns being Batman and they will not be able to be beaten for a long time because they’re young and in their prime. Durant could easily, and I mean very easily wind up with 4+ titles when all is said and done. Add that to his individual accomplishments and he kicks Hakeem and Bird’s ass out of the top 10.

[JulesWinnfield]

He's easily headed for top 10 all-time. Your judgement on the current top 10 must be way, way off base to believe that someone as accomplished as Durant who's set to co-anchor a long term dynasty won't crack the top 10. He's definitely going to do it, and it was only possible because he selected Golden State.

Emojis do not a case make. The assertion that he can possibly crack the all time top 10 reveals a lot about where you're coming from in this, and explain the depths to which you are willing to go to cheerlead this move he just made. You are obviously incredibly biased as it relates to him, and it's pointless to continue this as you furiously reply with Pom Poms in hand. Peace.

As one parting shot: you undermine your whole argument when you say he's going to be a top 10 player, and the only way he had a chance to be one is to hop on the back of a 73 win team... If his road to that status was that narrow, then gtfo telling me he's a top 10 all time player

The assertion that he cannot crack the top 10 all-time is very silly and one that stems from emotion clouding impartial judgement. Understandably you are clearly very upset that Durant has made the smartest and best decision for him and his legacy, but you must learn not to let your emotions affect the way you rank players. It’s based on how great they are and what they actually accomplished, not whether they went somewhere you didn’t want them to go to.

As I stated to the other poster, Durant is quite easily on pace to crack the top 10 all-time. He will kick out Hakeem (only 2 really elite seasons, others were nothing that special) and Bird (vastly inferior defender and much worse advanced stats) in about 5 years.

Understand how invincible this Warriors team is. They just won 73 games and added a consensus top 3 player in the league. Durant and Curry will basically take turns being Batman and they will not be able to be beaten for a long time because they’re young and in their prime. Durant could easily, and I mean very easily wind up with 4+ titles when all is said and done. Add that to his individual accomplishments and he kicks Hakeem and Bird’s ass out of the top 10.

Hes not on Hakeem or birds level as overall players. Just stop. You don't even realize how badly you undermine your argument with this statement, I'm just going to quote you directly, read it all, but pay special attention to the bold....

He's easily headed for top 10 all-time. Your judgement on the current top 10 must be way, way off base to believe that someone as accomplished as Durant who's set to co-anchor a long term dynasty won't crack the top 10. He's definitely going to do it, and it was only possible because he selected Golden State.

He's such a top 10 all time player that the ONLY way he could be seen in that light (according to you) was to hop on the back of a team who broke the wins record. Under no other circumstances. That's how much of a top 10 player he is. I mean, say that out loud to yourself again. This clear cut, slam dunk top 10 player of all time (I'm crazy if I think otherwise) has a path to top 10 that is so incredibly narrow its ridiculous. He couldn't have achieved it in any other way (according to you) then to play can't beat em join em with a 73 win squad. He has no other path... Then get out of here telling me he's a top 10 player. What a joke. You make your own argument look silly. You are playing defense against yourself with comments like that

[Wonderllama]

This time next year, KD will be Finals MVP. Everyone badmouthing him now will be apologizing later.

[te887848]

Emojis do not a case make. The assertion that he can possibly crack the all time top 10 reveals a lot about where you're coming from in this, and explain the depths to which you are willing to go to cheerlead this move he just made. You are obviously incredibly biased as it relates to him, and it's pointless to continue this as you furiously reply with Pom Poms in hand. Peace.

As one parting shot: you undermine your whole argument when you say he's going to be a top 10 player, and the only way he had a chance to be one is to hop on the back of a 73 win team... If his road to that status was that narrow, then gtfo telling me he's a top 10 all time player

The assertion that he cannot crack the top 10 all-time is very silly and one that stems from emotion clouding impartial judgement. Understandably you are clearly very upset that Durant has made the smartest and best decision for him and his legacy, but you must learn not to let your emotions affect the way you rank players. It’s based on how great they are and what they actually accomplished, not whether they went somewhere you didn’t want them to go to.

As I stated to the other poster, Durant is quite easily on pace to crack the top 10 all-time. He will kick out Hakeem (only 2 really elite seasons, others were nothing that special) and Bird (vastly inferior defender and much worse advanced stats) in about 5 years.

Understand how invincible this Warriors team is. They just won 73 games and added a consensus top 3 player in the league. Durant and Curry will basically take turns being Batman and they will not be able to be beaten for a long time because they’re young and in their prime. Durant could easily, and I mean very easily wind up with 4+ titles when all is said and done. Add that to his individual accomplishments and he kicks Hakeem and Bird’s ass out of the top 10.

Hes not on Hakeem or birds level as overall players. Just stop. You don't even realize how badly you undermine your argument with this statement, I'm just going to quote you directly, read it all, but pay special attention to the bold....

He's easily headed for top 10 all-time. Your judgement on the current top 10 must be way, way off base to believe that someone as accomplished as Durant who's set to co-anchor a long term dynasty won't crack the top 10. He's definitely going to do it, and it was only possible because he selected Golden State.

He's such a top 10 all time player that the ONLY way he could be seen in that light (according to you) was to hop on the back of a team who broke the wins record. Under no other circumstances. That's how much of a top 10 player he is. I mean, say that out loud to yourself again. This clear cut, slam dunk top 10 player of all time (I'm crazy if I think otherwise) has a path to top 10 that is so incredibly narrow its ridiculous. He couldn't have achieved it in any other way (according to you) then to play can't beat em join em with a 73 win squad. He has no other path... Then get out of here telling me he's a top 10 player. What a joke. You make your own argument look silly. You are playing defense against yourself with comments like that

As overall players he's better than them both. And you misinterpret my earlier comments.

The only way he (or anyone for that matter) gets to crack the top 10 all-time is by winning a lot of rings.

The only way to do that it seemed would be to join Golden State. Obviously he didn't feel confident with his chances in OKC considering 9 years of proof.

And that's exactly what he will do, because there are no real threats to the Warriors.

[JulesWinnfield]

The assertion that he cannot crack the top 10 all-time is very silly and one that stems from emotion clouding impartial judgement. Understandably you are clearly very upset that Durant has made the smartest and best decision for him and his legacy, but you must learn not to let your emotions affect the way you rank players. It’s based on how great they are and what they actually accomplished, not whether they went somewhere you didn’t want them to go to.

As I stated to the other poster, Durant is quite easily on pace to crack the top 10 all-time. He will kick out Hakeem (only 2 really elite seasons, others were nothing that special) and Bird (vastly inferior defender and much worse advanced stats) in about 5 years.

Understand how invincible this Warriors team is. They just won 73 games and added a consensus top 3 player in the league. Durant and Curry will basically take turns being Batman and they will not be able to be beaten for a long time because they’re young and in their prime. Durant could easily, and I mean very easily wind up with 4+ titles when all is said and done. Add that to his individual accomplishments and he kicks Hakeem and Bird’s ass out of the top 10.

Hes not on Hakeem or birds level as overall players. Just stop. You don't even realize how badly you undermine your argument with this statement, I'm just going to quote you directly, read it all, but pay special attention to the bold....

He's easily headed for top 10 all-time. Your judgement on the current top 10 must be way, way off base to believe that someone as accomplished as Durant who's set to co-anchor a long term dynasty won't crack the top 10. He's definitely going to do it, and it was only possible because he selected Golden State.

He's such a top 10 all time player that the ONLY way he could be seen in that light (according to you) was to hop on the back of a team who broke the wins record. Under no other circumstances. That's how much of a top 10 player he is. I mean, say that out loud to yourself again. This clear cut, slam dunk top 10 player of all time (I'm crazy if I think otherwise) has a path to top 10 that is so incredibly narrow its ridiculous. He couldn't have achieved it in any other way (according to you) then to play can't beat em join em with a 73 win squad. He has no other path... Then get out of here telling me he's a top 10 player. What a joke. You make your own argument look silly. You are playing defense against yourself with comments like that

As overall players he's better than them both. And you misinterpret my earlier comments.

The only way he (or anyone for that matter) gets to crack the top 10 all-time is by winning a lot of rings.

The only way to do that it seemed would be to join Golden State. Obviously he didn't feel confident with his chances in OKC considering 9 years of proof.

And that's exactly what he will do, because there are no real threats to the Warriors.

I didn't misinterpret anything, and you only just added more to the argument by digging deeper....He's a top 10 all time player, and the only way he could win multiple rings (according to you) would be to join a team who was 1 minute from going back to back without him and breaking the wins record in the process... That was his only path to multiple rings, again according to you, was to hop on the back of a team who was 1 minute or a healthier curry from winning multiple rings already... This top 10 all time player. Lol. Dude this is called self check. You deserve DPOY for playing defense against yourself. You are undermining all your own arguments! Durant didn't even lead his own thunder team this year in bpm or vorp, Westbrook did. There are arguments to be made that he wasn't even the best player on OKC this year. And youre acting like a bad cast let him down. Please

[te887848]

Hes not on Hakeem or birds level as overall players. Just stop. You don't even realize how badly you undermine your argument with this statement, I'm just going to quote you directly, read it all, but pay special attention to the bold....



He's such a top 10 all time player that the ONLY way he could be seen in that light (according to you) was to hop on the back of a team who broke the wins record. Under no other circumstances. That's how much of a top 10 player he is. I mean, say that out loud to yourself again. This clear cut, slam dunk top 10 player of all time (I'm crazy if I think otherwise) has a path to top 10 that is so incredibly narrow its ridiculous. He couldn't have achieved it in any other way (according to you) then to play can't beat em join em with a 73 win squad. He has no other path... Then get out of here telling me he's a top 10 player. What a joke. You make your own argument look silly. You are playing defense against yourself with comments like that

As overall players he's better than them both. And you misinterpret my earlier comments.

The only way he (or anyone for that matter) gets to crack the top 10 all-time is by winning a lot of rings.

The only way to do that it seemed would be to join Golden State. Obviously he didn't feel confident with his chances in OKC considering 9 years of proof.

And that's exactly what he will do, because there are no real threats to the Warriors.

I didn't misinterpret anything, and you only just added more to the argument by digging deeper....He's a top 10 all time player, and the only way he could win multiple rings (according to you) would be to join a team who was 1 minute from going back to back without him and breaking the wins record in the process... That was his only path to multiple rings, again according to you, was to hop on the back of a team who was 1 minute or a healthier curry from winning multiple rings already... This top 10 all time player. Lol. Dude this is called self check. You are undermining all your own arguments! Durant didn't even lead his own thunder team this year in bpm or vorp, Westbrook did. There are arguments to be made that he wasn't even the best player on OKC this year. And your acting like a bad cast let him down. Please

Nah, you're just misconstruing the post. Durant can win titles on many different teams. It doesn't have to be a 73-win already favorite, but that happened to be the best option available. So he took it. It's maximizing your odds of winning it by putting yourself in the best situation to win.

Exactly what LeBron did in 2010. He chose the team that gave him the best chance to win. And yes, for the hundredth time, I know the same, tired, old "LeBron did not join a 73-win team and Miami was nothing without him" argument. That completely misses the point. What he did was he picked the best teammates, just like Durant did, because that's what maximizes his chances of winning it every year.

Durant is a MAN and a WINNER for making this decision. History will now remember him as one of the greatest winners of all-time, unlike guys like Nash, Barkley, Malone or Stockton... who unfortunately cannot be mentioned with the most elite of the elite, as they couldn't win anything.

[NBAfan3024]

KD press conference today announced by warriors

[GregOden]

If I recall the last time KD was on a stacked team (Team USA) he went YOLO shooting 3s. He might actually defer more ball handing to guys like Green and Iggy and try to get into shooting contests with Klay and Steph.

[JulesWinnfield]

As overall players he's better than them both. And you misinterpret my earlier comments.

The only way he (or anyone for that matter) gets to crack the top 10 all-time is by winning a lot of rings.

The only way to do that it seemed would be to join Golden State. Obviously he didn't feel confident with his chances in OKC considering 9 years of proof.

And that's exactly what he will do, because there are no real threats to the Warriors.

I didn't misinterpret anything, and you only just added more to the argument by digging deeper....He's a top 10 all time player, and the only way he could win multiple rings (according to you) would be to join a team who was 1 minute from going back to back without him and breaking the wins record in the process... That was his only path to multiple rings, again according to you, was to hop on the back of a team who was 1 minute or a healthier curry from winning multiple rings already... This top 10 all time player. Lol. Dude this is called self check. You are undermining all your own arguments! Durant didn't even lead his own thunder team this year in bpm or vorp, Westbrook did. There are arguments to be made that he wasn't even the best player on OKC this year. And your acting like a bad cast let him down. Please

Nah, you're just misconstruing the post. Durant can win titles on many different teams. It doesn't have to be a 73-win already favorite, but that happened to be the best option available. So he took it. It's maximizing your odds of winning it by putting yourself in the best situation to win.

I'm misconstruing? Or you need to learn what the word "only" means?

and it was only possible because he selected Golden State.

The only way he (or anyone for that matter) gets to crack the top 10 all-time is by winning a lot of rings.

The only way to do that it seemed would be to join Golden State

At this point in westbrooks career he and Durant were virtual equals by just about any measure imaginable. This notion that his cast in OKC let him down is absurd. If you're conceding he couldn't win playing next to Westbrook and the rest of that team with emerging young pieces (and horford coming if Durant stayed) then that's a major indictment of his fraudulent top 10 all time status

[te887848]

I didn't misinterpret anything, and you only just added more to the argument by digging deeper....He's a top 10 all time player, and the only way he could win multiple rings (according to you) would be to join a team who was 1 minute from going back to back without him and breaking the wins record in the process... That was his only path to multiple rings, again according to you, was to hop on the back of a team who was 1 minute or a healthier curry from winning multiple rings already... This top 10 all time player. Lol. Dude this is called self check. You are undermining all your own arguments! Durant didn't even lead his own thunder team this year in bpm or vorp, Westbrook did. There are arguments to be made that he wasn't even the best player on OKC this year. And your acting like a bad cast let him down. Please

Nah, you're just misconstruing the post. Durant can win titles on many different teams. It doesn't have to be a 73-win already favorite, but that happened to be the best option available. So he took it. It's maximizing your odds of winning it by putting yourself in the best situation to win.

I'm misconstruing? Or you need to learn what the word "only" means?

and it was only possible because he selected Golden State.

The only way he (or anyone for that matter) gets to crack the top 10 all-time is by winning a lot of rings.

The only way to do that it seemed would be to join Golden State

At this point in westbrooks career he and Durant were virtual equals by just about any measure imaginable. This notion that his cast in OKC let him down is absurd. If you're conceding he couldn't win multiple titles playing next to Westbrook and the rest of that team with emerging young pieces, then that's a major indictment of his fraudulent top 10 all time status

Yes, currently given the landscape of the NBA and the options that were available to him, the only team that had the cap space to sign him that offered him the possibility of winning several rings was Golden State. So he correctly picked them.

That doesn't mean he can't win under other circumstances. Put a system like Golden State's around Durant, take out Curry, and he could very well win multiple rings. Give him a team like the Cavs and the weak competition out East and heck, and he could definitely win titles.

But none of those options existed. The only one that was actually available was Golden State.

He already tried for a decade to win multiple titles but Westbrook and his cast failed him over and over again, an indictment on his cast and poor ownership.

OKC ran a flawed system predicated on stagnant, ball-stopping, 1 on 1 chuck-ball that was prone to turnovers and sloppy play. Durant realized this same idiotic formula failing over and over again was not the recipe for a winner, so he smartened up and ditched it while he was still in his prime. Top 10 player all-time by 2021, just the reality of it whether you like it or not.