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2019 post draft, free agency and trade speculation: The Return Of Cash Considerations

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Re: 2019 Free agency and trade speculation 3: The Return Of Cash Considerations 

Post#601 » by Wilber85 » Fri Jun 21, 2019 10:34 pm

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If we come away with any of these guys as our starting PG, I'm going to be:

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Lol might as well trade Booker now if that's the master plan


Why would booker demand a trade ? He’s part of the reason suns aren’t winning ! Isn’t the right leader !

If he doesn’t get over30 wins this year I would love to get rid of him
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Post#602 » by Crives » Fri Jun 21, 2019 10:35 pm

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I just have this hunch that ty is going to be our Bridges this year. Ty is going to be awesome in summer league.
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Re: 2019 Free agency and trade speculation 3: The Return Of Cash Considerations 

Post#603 » by RaisingArizona » Fri Jun 21, 2019 10:37 pm

Wilber85 wrote:
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If we come away with any of these guys as our starting PG, I'm going to be:

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Lol might as well trade Booker now if that's the master plan


Why would booker demand a trade ? He’s part of the reason suns aren’t winning ! Isn’t the right leader !

If he doesn’t get over30 wins this year I would love to get rid of him

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Ty coming on next 8-)


I just have this hunch that ty is going to be our Bridges this year. Ty is going to be awesome in summer league.


I think he'll be more like Fred Van Vleet.
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Re: 2019 Free agency and trade speculation 3: The Return Of Cash Considerations 

Post#605 » by alamin330 » Fri Jun 21, 2019 10:42 pm

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RaisingArizona wrote:Lol might as well trade Booker now if that's the master plan


Why would booker demand a trade ? He’s part of the reason suns aren’t winning ! Isn’t the right leader !

If he doesn’t get over30 wins this year I would love to get rid of him

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Without booker we probably win less than 10 games. He’sfar from the reason we’re losing. It’s been the coaching and the lack of nba players to surround him.
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Re: 2019 Free agency and trade speculation 3: The Return Of Cash Considerations 

Post#606 » by PhxLax » Fri Jun 21, 2019 10:45 pm

Think people reading too much in the SF Cam pick. Just bc they picked him don't mean Oubre is gone. They picked him cause they had to pick something at 11 and they didn't wanna use it on yet another "high ceiling" guy like the other 6 years. This is a totally new regime and they wanna put their own fingerprints on it... And I don't fault them.

When your work place gets a new boss and management, they come in and clean up a little bit. They prob see Cam as "Allen Houston" style shooter who won't command much playing time this year and just let him simmer and develop... Same as that high school PG Jalen Lecque.

This prob does mean Melton/Okobo are out. Somehow. Holmes is done too. He's awesome but I love the Baynes pick. Best backup C in the league. Really tough and smart.

If reports are true they somehow wanna get another PG and PF, then so be it. But I would think new regime don't want any part of old regime pickups from last year. Assuming Oubre signs:

C Ayon - Baynes
F AWAIT - Saric - Some Veteran
F Oubre - Bridges - Cam Johnson
G Booker - Jackson
G AWAIT - TJ - Jerome

*Lecque = D-league
*Okobo, Melton = Gone
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Post#607 » by LukasBMW » Fri Jun 21, 2019 10:53 pm

Sarver wasn't thinking about cap space. He was thinking about total payroll. He doesn't want to spend any money on a lottery team.

The Sarver strategy appears to be sign a bunch of role players to cheap contracts, stay below or right at the cap, and go from there. He wants to be competitive but only at the right price.

I'd kill to have Mark Cuban as the Suns owner.

Cuban has balls of steal and eats steak and potatoes.

Sarver has balls made of blueberries (small and soft) and eats tuna and mayo.
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Post#608 » by SlovenianDragon » Fri Jun 21, 2019 10:53 pm

PhxLax wrote:Think people reading too much in the SF Cam pick. Just bc they picked him don't mean Oubre is gone. They picked him cause they had to pick something at 11 and they didn't wanna use it on yet another "high ceiling" guy like the other 6 years. This is a totally new regime and they wanna put their own fingerprints on it... And I don't fault them.

When your work place gets a new boss and management, they come in and clean up a little bit. They prob see Cam as "Allen Houston" style shooter who won't command much playing time this year and just let him simmer and develop... Same as that high school PG Jalen Lecque.

This prob does mean Melton/Okobo are out. Somehow. Holmes is done too. He's awesome but I love the Baynes pick. Best backup C in the league. Really tough and smart.

If reports are true they somehow wanna get another PG and PF, then so be it. But I would think new regime don't want any part of old regime pickups from last year. Assuming Oubre signs:

C Ayon - Baynes
F AWAIT - Saric - Some Veteran
F Oubre - Bridges - Cam Johnson
G Booker - Jackson
G AWAIT - TJ - Jerome

*Lecque = D-league
*Okobo, Melton = Gone



JJ shouldnt get any minutes personally.
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Post#609 » by SlovenianDragon » Fri Jun 21, 2019 10:56 pm

Gambo 100% that suns don't want Dlo….

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Re: 2019 Free agency and trade speculation 3: The Return Of Cash Considerations 

Post#610 » by denial » Fri Jun 21, 2019 10:58 pm

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the main thing for ayton is he has to rev up his motor....he plays soft and tries to finesse other big men....he needs to be a bully....


That would be nice too. That's been his nature for the most part as long as I've watched him so I'm not sure if I expect it. Sometimes he will get mad and have a little bit of an edge but it's pretty rare.


I think the team is counting on it. If it doesn't happen, then they can make appropriate roster adjustments.


I dont expect to convince anyone because I havent yet and I keep saying it. But Ayton's rookie numbers were phenomenal. People want him to be something he is not. He *is* a finesse player. We should embrace it and take advantage of it.

Its like when a coach insists a team runs a certain style despite the fact the roster is not made up for it. A good coach will tailor the team's style based on the assets he has.

Same with individual players imo. Ayton is not, and never will be, and big brute bullying center. And the more we force it, the less he will progress. Dude has a beautiful stroke from 15 feet. He plays hard and gets mad rebounds. He has some defense lapses from time to time but he buys into the team defense and he plays his part imo. I don't need anything from Ayton except to keep doing what he is doing and just improve at it.

Instead of trying to make him something he isn't, let's maximize what he is.
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Post#612 » by denial » Fri Jun 21, 2019 10:59 pm

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Post#613 » by LukasBMW » Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:02 pm

I was pretty hard on Ashley Nevel earlier this year, but she has called almost every move the Suns have made this off season.

She's the new insider.

Gambo is blowhard

Ashley is the new insider.

Ashley, I was wrong about you. Respect girl!
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Post#614 » by Blonde » Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:03 pm

I’m not that upset with taking Cam at 11 or even passing on Clarke/NAW/Williams. I’m upset that we passed on Culver at 6 - the one guy who I thought had potential to be a third star on this team.

But, this year Free Agency is way more important than the draft and it always was. We messed up with who we took but it won’t be nearly as harmful as messing up in free agency. However, what we do in free agency could compound the mistakes from yesterday. If we’re only signing mediocre role players then I’m going to really regret not drafting someone with star upside. If we shoot for the moon and try to sign/trade for a star level player, then it will make a lot of sense why we drafted role players.

Right now it looks like we’re going the mediocre role player route and I just cannot buy into it. Think it’s a massive failure to not put all chips on the table right now and get our third guy. I fear Jones is complacent with Booker/Ayton as his two “stars” because that can get really dangerous. Booker is a flawed star, and Ayton hasn’t proven anything other than he can be an efficient, albeit passive, offensive player. We’re going to need unprecedented growth from someone else but I can’t identify a player on this roster who I can reasonably see break out.
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Post#615 » by denial » Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:06 pm

LukasBMW wrote:I was pretty hard on Ashley Nevel earlier this year, but she has called almost every move the Suns have made this off season.

She's the new insider.

Gambo is blowhard

Ashley is the new insider.

Ashley, I was wrong about you. Respect girl!


She has been spot on and even the "way" she reveals info sounds more fact-like versus Gambo's sounding more like inferences.

Which makes me all the more impressed with James Jones, assuming he has a plan that falls into place. Even Nevel has no idea what's going on!

We were very predictable with McD. I supported him and liked a lot of his moves. But I think he telegraphed pretty much everything and had leaks everywhere (often hurting our leverage.)

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Post#617 » by matt131 » Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:09 pm

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Post#618 » by WeekapaugGroove » Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:14 pm

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Thad Young
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Kaminsky
Mike Scott


What do we need a pf for? Is Cam going to have to earn his bench minutes?

A backup for Saric.

Cam looks more an SF. He weights just 205 lbs.
Yeah they are absolutely adding another big. As of now if they had any injury to Ayton, Saric or baynes they would be playing Spalding big minutes.

I'd bet they bring some rugged PF/C type for like 3-4 mil.

Oh and people that don't have saric penciled in as the starting PF are nuts. He's going to be starting and a major part of this team.

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Post#620 » by WeekapaugGroove » Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:17 pm

Blonde wrote:I’m not that upset with taking Cam at 11 or even passing on Clarke/NAW/Williams. I’m upset that we passed on Culver at 6 - the one guy who I thought had potential to be a third star on this team.

But, this year Free Agency is way more important than the draft and it always was. We messed up with who we took but it won’t be nearly as harmful as messing up in free agency. However, what we do in free agency could compound the mistakes from yesterday. If we’re only signing mediocre role players then I’m going to really regret not drafting someone with star upside. If we shoot for the moon and try to sign/trade for a star level player, then it will make a lot of sense why we drafted role players.

Right now it looks like we’re going the mediocre role player route and I just cannot buy into it. Think it’s a massive failure to not put all chips on the table right now and get our third guy. I fear Jones is complacent with Booker/Ayton as his two “stars” because that can get really dangerous. Booker is a flawed star, and Ayton hasn’t proven anything other than he can be an efficient, albeit passive, offensive player. We’re going to need unprecedented growth from someone else but I can’t identify a player on this roster who I can reasonably see break out.
Honest question other than DLo what 'star' will even give them a meeting this summer?

Just because you want one doesn't mean interest will be mutal.

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