2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th!

[Mbrahv0528]

What do you guys view Coby White as? PG or SG?

Coby is not going to be a factor if AK wants best talent like Ball.
He is a combo guard and probably his like a Lou Williams type 6th man yr. Hes just not a full time pg like Luka.
My dream is get Ball at 4, trade overpaid Lavine, and move super scorer White to the 2 spot where he can develop as 2nd playmaker.
im not high on him but thats the best i can do to him. not going to give him full power to control Lauri with 30 usg. no way.

KC reported thta AK and EVS were very high on Coby.

As well they should/would be.

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[Mbrahv0528]

Why should we pick Melo having White for the point? People are giving up on him with just one season?

Dude White was 7th and picked relatively high. Ball is a consensus top 3 pick has superstar potential. I dont care if White gets dumped if Ball develops. all in on him.

Lol no he doesn't.

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[Simpleton]

Coby White is basically a Jamal Murray clone, so yea, it'd make sense that they'd like him. They just need to find guys who can handle/create that allow White to be the 2nd/3rd ball-handler/creator.

Put White in Denver with Jokic for a few years and I'm fairly sure he'd be averaging 18/4/4 too.

[drosereturn]

Coby White is basically a Jamal Murray clone, so yea, it'd make sense that they'd like him. They just need to find guys who can handle/create that allow White to be the 2nd/3rd ball-handler/creator.

Put White in Denver with Jokic for a few years and I'm fairly sure he'd be averaging 18/4/4 too.

Nope. Murray is way better version, they just play similarly. Denver is not stupid enough to give him a max contract when he played like a star in playoffs. White is what Lou Williams doing for Clippers. He is a 3rd scoring option off the bench.

[Andi Obst]

Almost an ideal outcome for me. Think there's a pretty good chance Hayes is available.

[Simpleton]

Coby White is basically a Jamal Murray clone, so yea, it'd make sense that they'd like him. They just need to find guys who can handle/create that allow White to be the 2nd/3rd ball-handler/creator.

Put White in Denver with Jokic for a few years and I'm fairly sure he'd be averaging 18/4/4 too.

Nope. Murray is way better version, they just play similarly. Denver is not stupid enough to give him a max contract when he played like a star in playoffs. White is what Lou Williams doing for Clippers. He is a 3rd scoring option off the bench.

For being way better they sure play similarly and have similar stats, and Denver gave him a max extension.

[kodo]

I don't know about Lou as a comparison. Lou Williams at White's age was averaging 1.9 ppg. White willl almost certainly average 15+ ppg next season, given he averaged 13 ppg as a rookie and 18.5 ppg per 36, and Jamal did as well in his 2nd year.

Lou didn't break 15 ppg until he was 30 years old. He's really not in the same category as a young talent as these guys. He's more of an example of a low starting talent NBA journeyman who kept honing & refining his craft over the years and hit his peak in his 30s.

[Dez]

Coby White is basically a Jamal Murray clone, so yea, it'd make sense that they'd like him. They just need to find guys who can handle/create that allow White to be the 2nd/3rd ball-handler/creator.

Put White in Denver with Jokic for a few years and I'm fairly sure he'd be averaging 18/4/4 too.

Nope. Murray is way better version, they just play similarly. Denver is not stupid enough to give him a max contract when he played like a star in playoffs. White is what Lou Williams doing for Clippers. He is a 3rd scoring option off the bench.

Coby has played just over half a season in the NBA, your assessments based on such limited data are ridiculous.

Your hype for Ball is unwarranted as well, he has one useful trait and that is his passing.

His offense sucks and his defense sucks, there are far better options that have more upside while having a far better floor.

Ball needs far too much work to develop his game to something respectable in the NBA, it's not the pick Chicago should make.

[Ccwatercraft]

Take that 2020!

FWIW, I believe Mad Max was set in the year 2021.

Sorry...

Dang it, you just gave me a reason to break out my Mad Max DVD.

(... and my Road Warrior Blu-Ray...)

(... and then temporarily forget that I don't have Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome on home video...)

(... and my Mad Max: Fury Road 3-D Blu-Ray... where I will remember how awkward that last scene was when the steering wheel came towards the screen in that last shot. Like, yeah, I get it. That was supposed to be $$ in 3-D, but even in 3-D it was obnoxious. And I say that as someone who wasn't against 3-D. A lot of the time it works. A lot of the time it is pretty damn great. But not that time. That stupid steering wheel.)

Wait, what were we talking about?

My bad.

I'm just paying it forward, I ended up eating 1am waffles yesterday due to a reddit post, ugh.

[TyrusRose2425]

I know they just traded for DLo, but if Wiseman really impresses Minnesota, maybe they open themselves up to trading KAT? #4 + next years 1st + Lauri? Probably not enough though.

[Ccwatercraft]

Dude White was 7th and picked relatively high. Ball is a consensus top 3 pick has superstar potential. I dont care if White gets dumped if Ball develops. all in on him.

I’ll be honest, I’ve been estranged from the Bulls waiting for GarPax to go, so I didn’t watch White. I thought the takeaway from S1 was generally positive and that he had Star upside. But I don’t know White’s style. If the Bulls took Ball, can White mix and match at PG and SG? He should be able to get starter quality minutes as a 6th man. Basically you don’t need to trade White if you take Ball.

Anyways, for the Bulls I think you shoot for the stars. You take the player with the most superstar potential that is available. The Bulls are in a position where they can roll the dice a bit IMO. They don’t need a safe high floor guy. If that guy is Ball, let’s do it

Yes. But what im saying is White doesnt move the needle. Fans here are hyping him too much when he isnt a star.
Lou Williams. Great. idc bc honestly its a waste of time developing him but i guess the Bulls are too short on talent they can start him if they move Lavine.

Basically what I want is a full roster from 1-15 that has star potential. I dont want scrubs like Arci, Dunn.
And you could easily get those from MPJ to Bol who cost next to nothing.

You want the bulls to be 15 deep with star potential?

I guess we need to get started with Fellicio and start working down the long list.

Were going to need 11ish replacements fast.

[Andi Obst]

I know they just traded for DLo, but if Wiseman really impresses Minnesota, maybe they open themselves up to trading KAT? #4 + next years 1st + Lauri? Probably not enough though.

There's absolutely no way they're doing that for James Wiseman of all people.

They are in an interesting spot, though. Rossas is an extremely active GM and the top prospects all seem like bad fits to me. They might really want to trade down.

[Hangtime84]

I know they just traded for DLo, but if Wiseman really impresses Minnesota, maybe they open themselves up to trading KAT? #4 + next years 1st + Lauri? Probably not enough though.

There's absolutely no way they're doing that for James Wiseman of all people.

They are in an interesting spot, though. Rossas is an extremely active GM and the top prospects all seem like bad fits to me. They might really want to trade down.

Isn't the owner selling the team. IMO makes the team more attractive.

[Chi]

What pick is Onyeka expected to fall at? We should trade down for him and some other assets...

[ChiCitySPORTS#1]

I know they just traded for DLo, but if Wiseman really impresses Minnesota, maybe they open themselves up to trading KAT? #4 + next years 1st + Lauri? Probably not enough though.

There's absolutely no way they're doing that for James Wiseman of all people.

They are in an interesting spot, though. Rossas is an extremely active GM and the top prospects all seem like bad fits to me. They might really want to trade down.

Wait. Why? They can draft Edwards. DLo is a 1. Edwards is a 2 and KAT is a 5. No one else matters

[Senor Chang]

I feel like a lot of things will crystalize after the draft combine:

- What's the difference between LaMelo and Lonzo, and why am I to believe that this Ball will learn to shoot?

- Can Wiseman shoot 3Ps and stay healthy?

- Why is Hayes rated high on some mocks? Maybe he's just a safe, skilled, all-around, leader.

- Can Deni shoot FTs and 3Ps?

- What's Okongwu's offensive floor and ceiling?

- Obi's defensive floor?

Until then, it seems like a lot of people are speculating wildly about one of the weakest top-10 draft classes ever, with the lowest sample size ever.

I can see a reason for CHI to pick up any of the guys in the top-10.... because nobody stands out.

i want to know Haliburton's wingspan. I think it matters when comparing him to Hayes.

I too, want to know the difference between Lamelo and Lonzo. To me Lamelo is taller yet inferior defensively and neither can shoot. I don't think Lamelo will ever be a good shooter. The days of guys who can pass but can't shoot are over. Your star point guard needs to be able to shoot. Even Ben Simmons has a cap on his ceiling if he never learns to shoot.

[Jeffster81]

The Bulls jumped a few spots up in a relatively weak draft and some Knicks fans are still pissed about it. Even in a down year for the draft, the Bulls deserve this jump.

NY pizza is garbage pizza. Fun and true.

[Andi Obst]

I know they just traded for DLo, but if Wiseman really impresses Minnesota, maybe they open themselves up to trading KAT? #4 + next years 1st + Lauri? Probably not enough though.

There's absolutely no way they're doing that for James Wiseman of all people.

They are in an interesting spot, though. Rossas is an extremely active GM and the top prospects all seem like bad fits to me. They might really want to trade down.

Wait. Why? They can draft Edwards. DLo is a 1. Edwards is a 2 and KAT is a 5. No one else matters

I think that's what they will do, but I don't really love bringing Edwards into the situation they have. Think he could use a little more structure and someone to learn from.

[Andi Obst]

I know they just traded for DLo, but if Wiseman really impresses Minnesota, maybe they open themselves up to trading KAT? #4 + next years 1st + Lauri? Probably not enough though.

There's absolutely no way they're doing that for James Wiseman of all people.

They are in an interesting spot, though. Rossas is an extremely active GM and the top prospects all seem like bad fits to me. They might really want to trade down.

Isn't the owner selling the team. IMO makes the team more attractive.

Wiseman instead of KAT makes the team more attractive?!?!

[Jeffster81]

Killian Hayes plz

@7, that would have been solid.
@4, not a chance.