Miami Heat Speculation Thread - 2020 and beyond...

[HEATVols865]

Need to give Boogie Cousins a long hard look if he’s healthy. Healthy Boogie and Bam front court is exactly what we need.

Boogie playing well would be huge next to Bam


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[HEATVols865]

Even if Miami gives generous one-year deals to Goran Dragic and Jae Crowder, the Heat will still be in position to add a rotation player this offseason, perhaps a very good one if the market breaks just right.

The likelihood is that the Heat will operate as an over-the-cap team instead of as a room team - a strategy that would allow Miami to exceed the cap to re-sign Dragic and Crowder (and Derrick Jones Jr. and Meyers Leonard if Miami wishes), but also leave the Heat with a $9.3 million mid-level salary cap exception to spend.

If the Heat, hypothetically, gives Dragic $20 million and Crowder $10 million in one-year deals, that would bring Miami’s cap commitments to $116 million.
If this past season’s tax line is used next season, that scenario would give Miami $16 million to spend and stay under the tax line. And staying under the tax line assuredly will be the priority.
But in that scenario, the Heat couldn’t go out and sign a $16 million free agent because Miami would not be operating as a room team. So the Heat would have four realistic options with that money:
1. Sign a player with all or part of the $9.3 million mid-level exception and then sign Jones or Leonard with whatever is left, if possible and if Miami chooses.

2. Sign Jones and Leonard and use whatever is left on outside free agents with exception money.
3. Use the mid-level exception and another exception: a $3.6 million bi-annual exception and/or its $7.5 million trade exception. None of those three exceptions can be combined.
4. Trade a player on its roster for someone making somewhat more money, under league cap rules.
Options one and three on that list are the most interesting, especially if the Heat can cajole one of the top free agents in a weak class to take mid-level money. What’s tricky is that the Heat also would need to convince any targets to take a one-year deal, so as not to diminish 2021 cap space.
Barring a shocking turn of events, it would seem unrealistic to expect any of the top free agents to take mid-level money for one season, making Miami a long shot to land free agents Serge Ibaka, Montrezl Harrell, Fred VanVleet, Danilo Gallinari, Joe Harris and very likely, Davis Bertans, unless the Heat acquired any in a trade and was willing to sacrifice 2021 cap space in the process (which is also unlikely).

Here are more realistic mid-level targets among power rotation players: Denver’s Paul Millsap (11.6 points per game, 5.7 rebounds per game, 43.5 percent on threes but 34); Clippers power forward Marcus Morris (16.7 ppg, 40.8 percent on threes), Phoenix center Aron Baynes (11.5 ppg, 5.6 rebounds per game, 35.1 on threes), Raptors veteran center Marc Gasol (7.5 ppg, 6.3 rebounds, 38.5 percent on threes but 35 and not worthy of a full mid-level) and New Orleans’ Derrick Favors (9.0 ppg, 9.8 rebounds, no three-point game).

Read more here: https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article246324215.html#storylink=cpy

So basically, we can re-sign Dragic and Crowder and add a player with the full MLE. That seems like the most realistic route. We could possibly absorb Oladipo’s contract with option #3 by only trading away K.O, Nunn and our first round pick while also adding another player with the MLE(Ibaka would be ideal but nearly impossible).

How long is Oladipo’s contract? That bum is not worth foregoing 2021 FA


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[3ballbomber]

Really hard, maybe impossible, to get Giannas via trade if we're not talking Bam/Herro at the very least

If we're throwing that kind of package out there, I want to catch the beard

Not many teams could or would offer a better package built around Bam and picks.

Heat are not trading Bam for Giannis. They are meant to play together not traded for each other.

Yep, you don't trade the heart & soul of the team, who's also part of incentive for Giannis to play here.

[Wiltside]

Need to give Boogie Cousins a long hard look if he’s healthy. Healthy Boogie and Bam front court is exactly what we need.

I'm big on this. He's absolutely worth the punt this year. Obviously health is a huge question mark, but I'd be trying to get him on a 2yr deal with a team option on the 2nd year with a later guarantee date.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Not many teams could or would offer a better package built around Bam and picks.

Heat are not trading Bam for Giannis. They are meant to play together not traded for each other.

Yep, you don't trade the heart & soul of the team, who's also part of incentive for Giannis to play here.

They both have the same agent. It’s borderline comical to suggest they would be dealt for one another. Giannis will come here and team up with Bam as a free agent.

[Beenie]

Heat are not trading Bam for Giannis. They are meant to play together not traded for each other.

Hypothetically, if Giannis wants out, and names Mia as one of his preferred destinations, and the Bucks insist on Bam being in the deal, and Mia suspects another team(s) has the ammunition to make a compelling offer, best believe Riley makes that deal.

Nah, Jimmy will get in his ear and say: “take the trade, then leave like I did.” LOL


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lol

For the record, Philly dropped the ball. Whomever hypothetically trades for Giannis is offering him the max.

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[Beenie]

Heat are not trading Bam for Giannis. They are meant to play together not traded for each other.

Yep, you don't trade the heart & soul of the team, who's also part of incentive for Giannis to play here.

They both have the same agent. It’s borderline comical to suggest they would be dealt for one another. Giannis will come here and team up with Bam as a free agent.

Again, if Giannis becomes available and the Bucks insist on Bam being in the deal, it's comical to think that they wouldn't and that Riley wouldn't do that deal.

[Wiltside]

Heat are not trading Bam for Giannis. They are meant to play together not traded for each other.

Yep, you don't trade the heart & soul of the team, who's also part of incentive for Giannis to play here.

They both have the same agent. It’s borderline comical to suggest they would be dealt for one another. Giannis will come here and team up with Bam as a free agent.

Yeah, if he's coming, he's coming to play WITH Bam. There's also no way we'd screw Bam over when we also have to deal with his agent in trying to get Giannis here.

Have to assume that we've spoken with his agent about not offering Bam an extension this year, and that both his agent and Bam are agreeable to this in light of trying to bring Giannis on board (which brings to light the expectation he may be coming, if his agent is agreeable....).

Giannis will play this season out in Milwaukee. If they win the title or perhaps even get to the Finals, he may well stay. But short of that, I can't see him sticking around if they get bounced in the ECF or Second Round again.

Rex, I've seen you mention that we can't trade for Dipo and also sign Giannis in 2021. I have to assume that there are some cap manipulations and deals that Pat and Andy can weave that would allow that to happen. There's no way we trade for Dipo without having the ability to add another max FA prior to extending Bam, IMO.

[twix2500]

Need to give Boogie Cousins a long hard look if he’s healthy. Healthy Boogie and Bam front court is exactly what we need.

Boogie playing well would be huge next to Bam


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Yall know i was big on Boogie playing for the Heat. But iv gotten to the point where I do not think he is motivated to deal with the work ethics the Heat are on right now. Thou I still think physically he could be revive but do not think he has it in him mentally.

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[twix2500]

I wonder when trade talks are gonna start. I read there has to be a discussion on the salary cap before any movement happens.

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[RexBoyWonder]

Let's talk about Christian Wood

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Smells like Hassan 2.0

I don't trust his 3 point shot, and he's a bad passer, which could easily makes his useless. Not Much of a defender.

Ibaka/Gallo are much safer bets.

He's the kind of guy I would happily try for the vet min, NOT the guy I'd invest real money in.

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Nice dream, but there's no way to fit all 4 in the salary cap. No way at all.

It's EITHER Oladipo OR Giannis. Unless Bam or Jimmy are gone.

[3ballbomber]

Pretty amazing. Overall I get it, that's who he is. But I wish he relaxed, he needs rest.

This crazy sonofabitch is gone f*ck around & win us a Ship

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You may not agree, but Jimmy has me not giving a dam about finding a player better than him. I want to build a team around him and try to win a title. I do not care about Giannis, or some possible free agent or a draft pick. I'm down with getting a bunch veteran ballers like Dallas did with Dirk. I don't care if it's 40mill Chris Paul, John Wall or Paul Wall. if they can help win a title next yr run it.

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I'm as enamored by Jimmy like everybody else but this approach may leave a narrow competitive window in oppose to acquiring a prolific scorer type player to help compliment the team & extend that window - much like what Tim Duncan & Parker was able to do for Spurs. San An were able to compete for a long time. We may add the veterans anyway why not push further for that star player who can also take over once Butler starts to decline.

[dean456]

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Nice dream, but there's no way to fit all 4 in the salary cap. No way at all.

It's EITHER Oladipo OR Giannis. Unless Bam or Jimmy are gone.

I wouldn't put it completely out of the realm of possibility. If what's been said about Oladipo not really being interested in being the guy on a team and prioritising winning over money. I could see him coming. I saw this video today and thought it was pretty crazy that Oladipo is even speculating about a team with him Bam and Giannis together.

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We can retain Jimmy, Herro, Bam and Robinson and still sign Giannis to a max or close to it and still have roughly 17-19mil to offer a guy like Oladipo. Maybe the combination of playing alongside Jimmy, Bam, Giannis, Robinson and Herro plus playing in Miami where he wants to be, plus no state income tax are all enough for Oladipo to take that pay cut.

Might be wishful thinking but who knows.

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Nice dream, but there's no way to fit all 4 in the salary cap. No way at all.

It's EITHER Oladipo OR Giannis. Unless Bam or Jimmy are gone.

I wouldn't put it completely out of the realm of possibility. If what's been said about Oladipo not really being interested in being the guy on a team and prioritising winning over money. I could see him coming. I saw this video today and thought it was pretty crazy that Oladipo is even speculating about a team with him Bam and Giannis together.

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We can retain Jimmy, Herro, Bam and Robinson and still sign Giannis to a max or close to it and still have roughly 17-19mil to offer a guy like Oladipo. Maybe the combination of playing alongside Jimmy, Bam, Giannis, Robinson and Herro plus playing in Miami where he wants to be, plus no state income tax are all enough for Oladipo to take that pay cut.

Might be wishful thinking but who knows.

If true he's willing to sacrifice money to come here to compete i can see this being a done deal. Extra incentive for Oladipo knowing we have potential max player in 2021 to add to what has already been proven to be a very successful team.

[RexBoyWonder]

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Nice dream, but there's no way to fit all 4 in the salary cap. No way at all.

It's EITHER Oladipo OR Giannis. Unless Bam or Jimmy are gone.

I wouldn't put it completely out of the realm of possibility. If what's been said about Oladipo not really being interested in being the guy on a team and prioritising winning over money. I could see him coming. I saw this video today and thought it was pretty crazy that Oladipo is even speculating about a team with him Bam and Giannis together.

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We can retain Jimmy, Herro, Bam and Robinson and still sign Giannis to a max or close to it and still have roughly 17-19mil to offer a guy like Oladipo. Maybe the combination of playing alongside Jimmy, Bam, Giannis, Robinson and Herro plus playing in Miami where he wants to be, plus no state income tax are all enough for Oladipo to take that pay cut.

Might be wishful thinking but who knows.

Sadly, we can't. Look at the numbers.

For 2021-2022 (Projected cap 109Mil) :

Butler = $36,016,200
Ryan Anderson (streched) = $5,214,583
Herro = $4,004,280
Bam's cap hold - $15,346,476
Robinson's cap hold : $2,122,822

= 62.6 Mil

Giannis Max (as a free agent) = 32.7

= 95.3

That leaves 13.7 Mil in cap space (for Oladipo), and that's after cutting KZ Okplala, cutting Silva, Cutting 2020 draft pick, No cap holds for anyone and no other player on the roster. Obviously cutting players on rookie deal doesn't make any sense. And Obviously There's not enough $ for Dipo.

[puppa bear]

Nice dream, but there's no way to fit all 4 in the salary cap. No way at all.

It's EITHER Oladipo OR Giannis. Unless Bam or Jimmy are gone.

I wouldn't put it completely out of the realm of possibility. If what's been said about Oladipo not really being interested in being the guy on a team and prioritising winning over money. I could see him coming. I saw this video today and thought it was pretty crazy that Oladipo is even speculating about a team with him Bam and Giannis together.

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We can retain Jimmy, Herro, Bam and Robinson and still sign Giannis to a max or close to it and still have roughly 17-19mil to offer a guy like Oladipo. Maybe the combination of playing alongside Jimmy, Bam, Giannis, Robinson and Herro plus playing in Miami where he wants to be, plus no state income tax are all enough for Oladipo to take that pay cut.

Might be wishful thinking but who knows.

If true he's willing to sacrifice money to come here to compete i can see this being a done deal. Extra incentive for Oladipo knowing we have potential max player in 2021 to add to what has already been proven to be a very successful team.

The question then becomes: do we bring him in early at the cost of Nunn/#20/filler? Or do we wait and have Nunn/#20 to put with the “Orlando 4”?

[puppa bear]

Nice dream, but there's no way to fit all 4 in the salary cap. No way at all.

It's EITHER Oladipo OR Giannis. Unless Bam or Jimmy are gone.

I wouldn't put it completely out of the realm of possibility. If what's been said about Oladipo not really being interested in being the guy on a team and prioritising winning over money. I could see him coming. I saw this video today and thought it was pretty crazy that Oladipo is even speculating about a team with him Bam and Giannis together.

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We can retain Jimmy, Herro, Bam and Robinson and still sign Giannis to a max or close to it and still have roughly 17-19mil to offer a guy like Oladipo. Maybe the combination of playing alongside Jimmy, Bam, Giannis, Robinson and Herro plus playing in Miami where he wants to be, plus no state income tax are all enough for Oladipo to take that pay cut.

Might be wishful thinking but who knows.

Sadly, we can't. Look at the numbers.

For 2021-2022 (Projected cap 109Mil) :

Butler = $36,016,200
Ryan Anderson (streched) = $5,214,583
Herro = $4,004,280
Bam's cap hold - $15,346,476
Robinson's cap hold : $2,122,822

= 62.6 Mil

Giannis Max (as a free agent) = 32.7

= 95.3

That leaves 13.7 Mil in cap space (for Oladipo), and that's after cutting KZ Okplala, cutting Silva, Cutting 2020 draft pick, No cap holds for anyone and no other player on the roster. Obviously cutting players on rookie deal doesn't make any sense. And Obviously There's not enough $ for Dipo.

Argh, that Anderson stretching is such a pain. It was needed at the time, but to be impacting the possibility of signing both -

[3ballbomber]

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When ever anybody mentions Giannis & Miami in the same sentence i get moist