OT Election Thread

[PlayerUp]

The only limit to a President’s pardon power is that it only applies to Federal Offenses.

Well the reality is typically the elite 1% and politicians usually always get off. Just how the world works.

[Ben Wilson25]

The only limit to a President’s pardon power is that it only applies to Federal Offenses.

Well the reality is typically the elite 1% and politicians usually always get off. Just how the world works.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see him pardon himself for tax fraud and say he knew once he was out of office the “deep state” faction of the justice department was going to come up with fake charges against him so he was just preemptively pardoning himself to troll the libtards. He would skate because there would never be a trial and his followers don’t really care about the optics of him pardoning himself for tax fraud.

[DorO]

I don’t care what he does or does not. The republican idea always remain to have an American dream, equality to achieve it and capability to maintain constitution untouched. Believe in America whatever times! It’s time to pray for our country.

[PlayerUp]

The only limit to a President’s pardon power is that it only applies to Federal Offenses.

Well the reality is typically the elite 1% and politicians usually always get off. Just how the world works.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see him pardon himself for tax fraud and say he knew once he was out of office the “deep state” faction of the justice department was going to come up with fake charges against him so he was just preemptively pardoning himself to troll the libtards. He would skate because there would never be a trial and his followers don’t really care about the optics of him pardoning himself for tax fraud.

You know it's very very rare for people to go to jail for tax fraud right? In the US last year, less than 1000 people served 1 day or more in jail due to tax fraud at both state and federal levels. The elite 1% can avoid prison by simply paying heavy fines to avoid being criminally prosecuted.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

Well the reality is typically the elite 1% and politicians usually always get off. Just how the world works.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see him pardon himself for tax fraud and say he knew once he was out of office the “deep state” faction of the justice department was going to come up with fake charges against him so he was just preemptively pardoning himself to troll the libtards. He would skate because there would never be a trial and his followers don’t really care about the optics of him pardoning himself for tax fraud.

You know it's very very rare for people to go to jail for tax fraud right? In the US last year, less than 1000 people served 1 day or more in jail due to tax fraud at both state and federal levels. The elite 1% can avoid prison by simply paying heavy fines to avoid being criminally prosecuted.

I read that he can’t pardon himself but what he could do is resign just before his term ends and then have Pence pardon him.

[Ben Wilson25]

Well the reality is typically the elite 1% and politicians usually always get off. Just how the world works.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see him pardon himself for tax fraud and say he knew once he was out of office the “deep state” faction of the justice department was going to come up with fake charges against him so he was just preemptively pardoning himself to troll the libtards. He would skate because there would never be a trial and his followers don’t really care about the optics of him pardoning himself for tax fraud.

You know it's very very rare for people to go to jail for tax fraud right? In the US last year, less than 1000 people served 1 day or more in jail due to tax fraud at both state and federal levels. The elite 1% can avoid prison by simply paying heavy fines to avoid being criminally prosecuted.

I never said he’d go to prison. These things are already being investigated. You don’t see why after the last 4 years and the way he’s treated career justice department officials he would be nervous about prosecution?

[Wingy]

Well, you’re right. But considering that one of the “vocal extremes” just sat in the Oval Office for the last 4 years tweeting bilious hate, misinformation, and sowing distrust and fear, what do you expect?

Which is why it is absolutely critical for the good of our nation that the Biden, Harris and Pelosi take the high road not only now, but consistently going forward. Biden is off to a good start, but I don’t trust Pelosi to not gloat and try to score cheap points at Trump’s expense.

The less the Democratic Party says about Trump from here on out, the better it will be for all of us.

Pelosi is going to have to fall in line. Otherwise it will give the wrong impression.

Not just the wrong impression, but just flat out be wrong. The Left needs to have a consistent message: we’re in this together, we want to work together, so let’s get started.

Trying to make Trump’s base feel stupid or rejected won’t work, will actually backfire, and serves not productive purpose no matter how personally satisfying it may be to Pelosi. She became petty and it was pointless. She needs to get her **** together and be an adult now. Hopefully she’s up to it. I’ve lost a lot of faith in her as a leader of the party.

Spot on. The left sticking its nose in the air, and being so out of touch is the reason we got Trump in the first place.

Pelosi’s gotta go asap as House leader imo. The mere mention of her name fires up the conservative base. Dems need new leadership.

[Wingy]

I never hated Trump like others here, To me he is just a guy full of himself who was used to having his way. He was never meant to be a smooth talking Politician.

When I get together with friends, I have often heard much worse, and I'm sure most of you have too. (I agree that type of talk is not Presidential, and I do not endorse it).

The bottom line is were all the same. "We all want equal opportunity, We all want to be able to provide for our families, And most of us want to live a peaceful life without government interference".

My thing is that I do not trust either party, and want as many outsiders to get involved as possible. I believe career politicians carry too much political party baggage,

Career politicians side with whatever political party they grew up in and have already been bought and sold. They have no concern towards the average American's point of view,

In the future, I would like to see more outsiders running for office with fresh new idea's, and not re-runs from, past regimes.

You don't need to be a slick-talking politician to not put fascists, and nazi's in the Whitehouse. You don't need to be a slick-talking politician to take a pandemic seriously and listen to health experts.

Then you bring up equal opportunity, families and peaceful life without government interference. That's fine except one party has clearly been against LGBTQ and women's rights for years. One party wants to continue to needlessly cut taxes. One party says we shouldn't fill a supreme court seat in an election year. Then barely before RBG's body is even cold, let's fill her seat in an election year. One party just had two members elected to congress who espoused Qanon conspiracies.

This both sides are the same stuff needs to stop.

The both sides equally suck “argument” is the just the modern way to say “look at me!! me good!!”

[Wingy]

You don’t hear Trump mention Tim Kaines’ name ever. He’s helped make AOC a superstar by tagging her constantly.

Tim Kaine is boring. AOC has energy.

Right.

But my point is we’ve gotten to the point where “energy” wins most people over, regardless if it’s misguided or spent on a stupid motive. I guess Palin was the start of it all.

No thanks to all that. Give me the boring Tim who will keep things stable and in order, with gradual progress. I don’t need an ideological revolution in politics every 2 years. I’d rather it happen in people’s towns so it improves the way people think and relate. The way we vote in, it’s too much of a popularity contest for the right people to win and make the healthy changes.

In many ways, I don’t care for Joe, but I’ll gladly take a WH that is not a hot-bed of scandals and breaking news stories every hour.

If you want to radically change something, write letters to your local politicians. It’s the oldest story in the book yet everyone still forgets this, and would rather go protest or rally (in a pandemic). Criticizing both sides here. “The mob.”

I’m a liberal, but give me moderate government any day over a liberal extreme. Didn’t we learn about balance from Yoda when we were little kids?

Trump and AOC are terrible types for presidency. Anything that totally alienates 30% or more is a recipe for implosion.

I like AOC, and maybe she could win if she throttles back some, and can show tangible ways to pay for her proposals that aren’t pure taxation....but in general, I’m with you.

I think of it kinda Cersei Lannister-style. In politics... you win, or you die. There are no points for being the most popular in an echo chamber of idealism... wherein you simultaneously hand victory to those that starkly oppose your views.

Too many want to go 0-60 in 6 seconds while driving a Fred Flintstone-mobile. What we need is steady progress.

[Repeat 3-peat]

This **** is crazy. They're making a list for people who had a different opinion.

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[Wingy]

The goal is to move forward and leave the past 4 years behind with lessons learned. She has to get over it and help her party and the country. It serves no purpose to rub salt in the word.

Agree put Trump in the rear-view and start focusing on policies again. Look at Florida, they passed a $15 minimum wage with 61% of the vote, while Biden will get about 48%. Without Trump sucking up all the air in the room, maybe the country can focus on actual issues. Remember, the President provided literally zero plans for what he would do in a second term, which is just amazing on it's face, but seems hard for any other candidate to pull off. If we can get back to policies rather than grievances and division, the Democrats have a clear advantage. Their peril is when they allow themselves to be labeled "socialists" or divide everything by race. Focus on the kitchen table economics; raise the minimum wage, lower taxes for people under ~$75k, healthcare access, rebuilding infrastructure, guaranteed family leave. Tell me how you will make my life better.

That’s the lesson they should’ve learned after 2016. Attention of any kind is Trump’s lifeblood.

I would’ve had Biden’s campaign completely avoid mentioning his name, and like you said - talk all issues, all the time.

It’s not too late to start. Anytime orangey gets all uppity on his Twitter...Biden et al should respond to media questions about it w/the most boring, vanilla, and literally same response every time...to the point they stop asking.

[TheStig]

I'm of the belief most of the republicans currently in DC are more than happy with getting rid of Trump all while suffering no real damage in Congress.

They didn't suffer much damage in Congress in 2020, but what happens going forward may be different. It is clear that Trump has put the base in charge of the party. Will he just step away? Will he run in 2024 as a Republican? If they abandon him, will he create a new party (absolute worst case scenario for Republicans)? Can Republicans get this type of turnout without Trump at the top of the ticket (also a question Democrats have to answer)?

After thinking about this more, I don't think Trump runs again in 2024.

- Trump will be 78 in 2024

- Trump pretty much maxed out his appeal to new voters

- If any Trump runs, it's more likely to be Don Trump Jr (Bush and Bush Jr)

- The new wave of GOP candidates are much younger and if Biden runs a 2nd term, that will be a way for them to be more attractive to younger voters

- My guess is more likely than not he will just sit on the side but help the GOP like Obama did at getting large crowds out.

Yeah, Trump is a stubborn ass and will do whatever he wants. If he wants to run. He'll come down an escalator and run.

[TheStig]

Pelosi is going to have to fall in line. Otherwise it will give the wrong impression.

Not just the wrong impression, but just flat out be wrong. The Left needs to have a consistent message: we’re in this together, we want to work together, so let’s get started.

Trying to make Trump’s base feel stupid or rejected won’t work, will actually backfire, and serves not productive purpose no matter how personally satisfying it may be to Pelosi. She became petty and it was pointless. She needs to get her **** together and be an adult now. Hopefully she’s up to it. I’ve lost a lot of faith in her as a leader of the party.

Spot on. The left sticking its nose in the air, and being so out of touch is the reason we got Trump in the first place.

Pelosi’s gotta go asap as House leader imo. The mere mention of her name fires up the conservative base. Dems need new leadership.

Jesus would fire up the conservative base if he were a democrat.

[DuckIII]

Biden’s speech tonight didn’t mention Trump at all. This is what I was taking about. Biden is playing this perfectly so far. He’s talking about unity, working together and America as a whole. Don’t feed the trolls.

[musiqsoulchild]

This **** is crazy. They're making a list for people who had a different opinion.

Read on Twitter

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What list?

Steve Bannon just said Dr. Fauci and The FBI Directors heads should be cut off and placed outside the White House for not siding with Trump.

Stop telling yourself that what Trump and his cronies have done is normal.

Its not.

[musiqsoulchild]

Biden’s speech tonight didn’t mention Trump at all. This is what I was taking about. Biden is playing this perfectly so far. He’s talking about unity, working together and America as a whole. Don’t feed the trolls.

Agreed.

[LateNight]

This **** is crazy. They're making a list for people who had a different opinion.

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While this list seems dumb, Jack Posobiec sucks real hard. He pushes stupid conspiracy theories (pizzagate) to delusional fringe elements and pretends that makes him a patriot of some kind.

Mainstream cable media may have bias, but this internet “alternative media” stuff is almost all garbage. People should be embarrassed to follow these accounts.

Oh - also, I almost forgot - Posobiec came up through the a “white nationalist” movement and has his own page dedicated to him at the Southern Poverty Law Center website.

[PlayerUp]

This **** is crazy. They're making a list for people who had a different opinion.

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See this is hurting Biden and his party. Biden clearly is indicating he wants peace and these guys want further divide. This is how Trump gained so much support. People are tired of this BS. Trump pushed hard against it, used this and pinned Biden as part of the radical left because he never called them out and started to work with them on issues which I'm sure he will never actually keep his word.

The radical left needs to get their own party. We really need a 4 or 5 party system in the US more than ever.

Progressives
Democrats
GOP
MAGA
Libertians

This may eventually happen someday but not anytime soon.

Progressives eventually are going to turn on Biden when they realize he isn't going to give into their radical demands.

[PlayerUp]

Yeah, Trump is a stubborn ass and will do whatever he wants. If he wants to run. He'll come down an escalator and run.

I think it's almost a lock one of their kids make a run. Don Trump Jr or Ivanka. Fortunately they are much more tolerable to deal with than Donald Trump. Trump has gained so much support. Bush Jr ran and won without having anywhere near the support Trump has.

[TheStig]

Yeah, Trump is a stubborn ass and will do whatever he wants. If he wants to run. He'll come down an escalator and run.

I think it's almost a lock one of their kids make a run. Don Trump Jr or Ivanka. Fortunately they are much more tolerable to deal with than Donald Trump. Trump has gained so much support. Bush Jr ran and won without having anywhere near the support Trump has.

Isn't Ivanka more of a democrat? And I don't see Don Jr winning anything. And that's after Trump being the one who doesn't let things go. I think he'll be there again. Just like Trump, Biden is going to sit there and undo everything his predecessor has done. And that's going to drive him crazy.