2021 Free Agency News & Discussion Part 2

[Kurtz]

So you're saying we did what the Bucks and Hawks got busted for last year? All to screw ourselves from an actual bidding war for Lowry?

yes thats what happened, raptors heat got away with it.
bucks got caught because bogdanovic wanted to back out or the bucks found out they couldnt offer more, and the agent made a thing of it in the media.

And yet the deal still hasn't been made official because we can't find a taker for Dragic it seems. I dont think everything was thought through before free agency opened otherwise we wouldn't be left with a player we don't seem to want.

1) Deals cannot be made official yet. Our mgmt doesn't leak - so a deal could already been done and not yet announced. My bet is we already have a deal done with Dragic.

2) Unless Dragic is being bought out, there is no indication that we don't want him. Maybe they like him as a bench scorer and think he can get something good at the deadline.

Either way it's foolish to make these proclamations about Dragic at this juncture.

[Lord_Zedd]

Wow one trip to the grocery and missed out quite a bit lol

What in gods name is Brampton mans Mark Eversley doing with the Bulls.

Lonzo Ball should be next year's defensive player of the year by default

[bboyskinnylegs]

I feel like a lot of people are undervaluing what Achiuwa (and Barnes, for that matter) bring to the table as prospects. These aren't just energy bigs.

[douggood]

do you not know the heat had 27ish mil cap room to sign lowry. if you want i can do a write up on the cap reason the heat chose to do a s&t and lose Achiuwa vs signing lowry for free.

stop wasting your time. This board has lost their mind. I think they a bunch of kids

I understand the reasoning why the Heat wanted a sign and trade. It greatly benefits them, which is how they got Tucker too. Just furthers my point that they needed us to get him.

It doesn't seem to be benefiting us as we got stuck with an unwanted contract that took all our cap space away. Just frustration on my part for a horrible offseason thus far.

raptors chose dragic + achiuwa + MLE (4yr 42mil) + BAE (2 year 8mil) vs 17 mil cap space + room MLE (2 yr 10 mil)


achiuwa + full mle > 17 mil cap space in my books.

[ironmanm20]

Is everyone forgetting that this is 100% about what team Kyle wanted to go to? Miami didn’t have a ton of assets to give (even though the specifics have yet to be released). We weren’t in the drivers seat here. Kyle chose a team and we tried to get the best return we could. If Thad played for the Heat then maybe we could complain, but he didn’t. It’s a sign and trade. We did him a solid, so let’s stop complaining!

[bboyskinnylegs]

Wow one trip to the grocery and missed out quite a bit lol

What in gods name is Brampton mans Mark Eversley doing with the Bulls

If I recall correctly he was the one that was super high on DeMar back when he was working for BC here.

[Rapsfan07]

I feel like a lot of people are undervaluing what Achiuwa (and Barnes, for that matter) bring to the table as prospects. These aren't just energy bigs.

But they are though bro. That's exactly what they are.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Wow one trip to the grocery and missed out quite a bit lol

What in gods name is Brampton mans Mark Eversley doing with the Bulls.

Lonzo Ball should be next year's defensive player of the year by default

These moves make sense now, Eversley is a Colangelo guy

[Rapsfan07]

stop wasting your time. This board has lost their mind. I think they a bunch of kids

I understand the reasoning why the Heat wanted a sign and trade. It greatly benefits them, which is how they got Tucker too. Just furthers my point that they needed us to get him.

It doesn't seem to be benefiting us as we got stuck with an unwanted contract that took all our cap space away. Just frustration on my part for a horrible offseason thus far.

raptors chose dragic + achiuwa + MLE (4yr 42mil) + BAE (2 year 8mil) vs 17 mil cap space + room MLE (2 yr 10 mil)


achiuwa + full mle > 17 mil cap space in my books.

Yep. Sounds about right to me.

[DreamTeam09]

thats not how the cap works, once you operate as a cap space team you cant go over the cap and then use MLE and BAE
you can only use room MLE the 2yr 10 mil.

.I just told you they're not operating as a team with capspace

They already used their MLE and BAE

But they can still absorb contracts into the space, and then operate as above the cap.

The exact same thing the raps are currently doing

to absorb contracts into space, you need cap space (or large enough TPE)
all the moves they have made and structured, they are operating as over the cap team(MLE/BAE)
so they dont have cap room to absorb dragic

go read a few athletic articles if you want confirmation.

you cannot use cap space and operate over the cap as you are suggesting.

start of free agency they had 30mil potential cap space (after trading josh richardson)

they chose to resign tim haradaw for 18 per, keep the TPE from josh Richardson trade. then stay over the cap and use MLE and BAE.

You are confusing using space on a FA and using space in a trade. Using space in a trade doesn't mean you are operating under the cap. Using space on a FA means you have to renounce the space in order to use it. It means you are operating above the cap.

They had like 34-37 mill under the cap entering the off-season. Getting rid of WCS bumps that to 38+

18 for Dragic, 18 for THJ using bird rights and not space = 36m

Now they're at the cap and able to use the MLE and BAE

The exact same thing the raps are trying to do with Dragic. We would prefer to ship out Dragic for a little as possible and then use the TPE or renounce the TPE and use the space.

We would like keep the TPE and then use MLE and BAE

Ino what I'm talking about here

[douggood]

Is everyone forgetting that this is 100% about what team Kyle wanted to go to? Miami didn’t have a ton of assets to give (even though the specifics have yet to be released). We weren’t in the drivers seat here. Kyle chose a team and we tried to get the best return we could. If Thad played for the Heat then maybe we could complain, but he didn’t. It’s a sign and trade. We did him a solid, so let’s stop complaining!

i want this board to know, i will repeat this ad nauseam if i must; we didnt do lowry a solid, the heat had the cap room to sign lowry; they didnt need a s&t to get him

what the s&t did give them was flexibility to do other moves after signing lowry.

basically heat figured pj tucker+smaller signings like dedmond, gabe vincent are worth more in the short term than achiuwa.

[Dalek]

And he just recently turned 23

Really odd decision. Love Yuta but he’s nothing special

Would’ve rather cut Watson if anything

Shhhh, you're not allowed to criticize any moves the Raptors make otherwise you're not a real fan lol.

This is the most depressed I’ve been about the teams talent level in 7 years or so.

Feels like our team is made up of wing defensive role players. Not a bad foundation but damn.

There’s no guy you can turn to to get you a bucket. There’s no “it” guy.

There’s no more “don’t poke the bear”

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Add in Malachi who can takeover a game at times, this is not a bad team at all. I'd still give Paul Watson some time because he is also a decent scorer and I think he will develop with more burn.

[Tor_Raps]

stop wasting your time. This board has lost their mind. I think they a bunch of kids

I understand the reasoning why the Heat wanted a sign and trade. It greatly benefits them, which is how they got Tucker too. Just furthers my point that they needed us to get him.

It doesn't seem to be benefiting us as we got stuck with an unwanted contract that took all our cap space away. Just frustration on my part for a horrible offseason thus far.

We got a top end prospect in Achiuwa. Dragic is a solid player. We can either trade him this off-season or at the deadline. We cant even make any moves on him until Friday.

I'm not sure what people dont understand.

We are going young. This is actually the best direction we could be going as a franchise. If people want mediocrity, you can follow the Knicks

LOL, Achiuwa has become a top end prospect all of a sudden? How much playing time did he get for the Heat who were in desperate need of big men last year?

And it seems like our management followed the Knicks motto by making decisions banking on free agents who aren't even there. I'm following the right team so don't get upset that I don't nuthug every decision our management makes.

[DG88]

I think people on here had the idea that we were going to try and compete next year, but the moment Kyle left that was the pivot point to go another direction. Everyone on the team is 23 or younger except Pascal and Fred who are 27. We're in a rebuild motion now and to be honest should have been there after the Championship when Kawhi left. We only extended as we wanted to win and build at the same time.

I still think that's the strategy but we might be in the lottery for at least another 2 years at this rate. Our focus has gone to the young guys now and building them up to be the next iteration of the Raptors.

[DreamTeam09]

I understand the reasoning why the Heat wanted a sign and trade. It greatly benefits them, which is how they got Tucker too. Just furthers my point that they needed us to get him.

It doesn't seem to be benefiting us as we got stuck with an unwanted contract that took all our cap space away. Just frustration on my part for a horrible offseason thus far.

raptors chose dragic + achiuwa + MLE (4yr 42mil) + BAE (2 year 8mil) vs 17 mil cap space + room MLE (2 yr 10 mil)


achiuwa + full mle > 17 mil cap space in my books.

Yep. Sounds about right to me.

We could've had achiuwa + 2nd + 17mill in space if we shipped dragic out for nothing in return

[WuTang_CMB]

I understand the reasoning why the Heat wanted a sign and trade. It greatly benefits them, which is how they got Tucker too. Just furthers my point that they needed us to get him.

It doesn't seem to be benefiting us as we got stuck with an unwanted contract that took all our cap space away. Just frustration on my part for a horrible offseason thus far.

We got a top end prospect in Achiuwa. Dragic is a solid player. We can either trade him this off-season or at the deadline. We cant even make any moves on him until Friday.

I'm not sure what people dont understand.

We are going young. This is actually the best direction we could be going as a franchise. If people want mediocrity, you can follow the Knicks

LOL, Achiuwa has become a top end prospect all of a sudden? How much playing time did he get for the Heat who were in desperate need of big men last year?

And it seems like our management followed the Knicks motto by making decisions banking on free agents who aren't even there. I'm following the right team so don't get upset that I don't nuthug every decision our management makes.

He always was. Dont speak on stuff that you know nothing about.

What free agents did we bank on being there? Richaun Holmes?

Please stop while you're ahead.

[douggood]

.I just told you they're not operating as a team with capspace

They already used their MLE and BAE

But they can still absorb contracts into the space, and then operate as above the cap.

The exact same thing the raps are currently doing

to absorb contracts into space, you need cap space (or large enough TPE)
all the moves they have made and structured, they are operating as over the cap team(MLE/BAE)
so they dont have cap room to absorb dragic

go read a few athletic articles if you want confirmation.

you cannot use cap space and operate over the cap as you are suggesting.

start of free agency they had 30mil potential cap space (after trading josh richardson)

they chose to resign tim haradaw for 18 per, keep the TPE from josh Richardson trade. then stay over the cap and use MLE and BAE.

You are confusing using space on a FA and using space in a trade. Using space in a trade doesn't mean you are operating under the cap. Using space on a FA means you have to renounce the space in order to use it. It means you are operating above the cap.

They had like 34-37 mill under the cap entering the off-season. Getting rid of WCS bumps that to 38+

18 for Dragic, 18 for THJ using bird rights and not space = 36m

Now they're at the cap and able to use the MLE and BAE

The exact same thing the raps are trying to do with Dragic. We would prefer to ship out Dragic for a little as possible and then use the TPE or renounce the TPE and use the space.

We would like keep the TPE and then use MLE and BAE

Ino what I'm talking about here

you are so wrong
you need the same cap space to sign a free agent as you need to trade for a contract into space (CAP space)

the mavericks didnt create cap space at any point.

yes the raptors have the option of keeping tpe or renouncing tpe and working under cap
but the mavericks used MLE and BAE, that means they will operate as over the cap team, end of discussion.

[Bruin]

I feel like a lot of people are undervaluing what Achiuwa (and Barnes, for that matter) bring to the table as prospects. These aren't just energy bigs.

But they are though bro. That's exactly what they are.

If you really see Barnes as just an energy guy then idk what to tell you

[DreamTeam09]

We got a top end prospect in Achiuwa. Dragic is a solid player. We can either trade him this off-season or at the deadline. We cant even make any moves on him until Friday.

I'm not sure what people dont understand.

We are going young. This is actually the best direction we could be going as a franchise. If people want mediocrity, you can follow the Knicks

LOL, Achiuwa has become a top end prospect all of a sudden? How much playing time did he get for the Heat who were in desperate need of big men last year?

And it seems like our management followed the Knicks motto by making decisions banking on free agents who aren't even there. I'm following the right team so don't get upset that I don't nuthug every decision our management makes.

He always was. Dont speak on stuff that you know nothing about.

What free agents did we bank on being there? Richaun Holmes?

Please stop while you're ahead.

We could've had both tho

[WuTang_CMB]

LOL, Achiuwa has become a top end prospect all of a sudden? How much playing time did he get for the Heat who were in desperate need of big men last year?

And it seems like our management followed the Knicks motto by making decisions banking on free agents who aren't even there. I'm following the right team so don't get upset that I don't nuthug every decision our management makes.

He always was. Dont speak on stuff that you know nothing about.

What free agents did we bank on being there? Richaun Holmes?

Please stop while you're ahead.

We could've had both tho

We didnt want him... and evem if we did it'd be a fkin waste.. throwing salary to a high energy guy makes no sense when we have a 22 year Achiuwa who needs minutes.