KD Trade Containment Thread

[Troubadour]

This is really bad for Brooklyn. It is one thing not to include Barnes, it is rather insulting that you wouldn't include Pascal. I also don't see why New York would trade 2 first round picks in a deal where a division rival gets KD. All for Gary Trent? I just don't see it.

Why is trading every allowable draft pick and a high-potential starting wing insulting? What team is putting a player of Pascal Siakam or Scottie Barnes' caliber in an offer?

Phoenix can't send Booker. Miami can't send Adebayo. There's no reporting to indicate Brandon Ingram is available from New Orleans. The comparison to the Rudy Gobert is interesting because the Jazz didn't really get a player of consequence in that deal.

To make it simple, how is Phoenix beating an offer of OG Anunoby, Gary Trent Jr and every allowable pick from Toronto for Kevin Durant and Joe Harris? To make the salaries work, the Nets get rotation players to fill out the roster around Ben Simmons, OG Anunoby and Gary Trent Jr and a full stock of draft picks to replace what they lost in the Harden deal.

Bridges + Cam + all phx picks or bridges + Ayton + all phx picks beats that offer by quite a bit

The only real threat in my mind is a three-team trade where the Suns send out Bridges, Johnson and Ayton and get Durant back. Ayton gets sent to a third team that sends draft compensation to the Nets. Are the Suns doing that?

[Netaman]

I too think the Phoenix packages are mostly better than Toronto's BUT if Toronto is willing to take Kyrie and include FVV, that may change the calculus because FVV would be a really nice piece with Simmons. Nobody wants Kyrie, but do you let that stand in the way of getting KD since on the floor he's almost definitely still the better player than FVV? Especially if it also keeps Barnes in Toronto?

All things considered this is a pretty simple 2 team trade that gets Toronto the chance to start Kyrie, KD, Siakam, and barnes together - which is undoubtedly a 3-4 year championship window core. It's 2 all nba players, an mvp, and a roy.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=29p385nl
(nets would get all the picks, and if toronto wanted to swap siakam/og i'd be fine with that)

I also agree with pretty much with everyone above about the Nets weird aversion to Ayton, if I were Marks Id actually still try for him even after this deal. A S&T with some combo of Harris, Cam Thomas, Sharpe, picks etc. This net team would be really interesting and the pieces all seem to fit:

FVV / Trent
Curry / O'Neale
Simmons / Edwards
OG or Siakam / Thad
Ayton / Claxton

that lineup is better than the toronto lineup that won 48 last year.

[DowJones]

If the goal is getting as many picks as possible with a young promising player, this offer I think is competitive.

Nets Receive
OG Anunoby
Thaddeus Young
Evan Fournier
Malachi Flynn
2023 1st Round Pick (TOR)
2023 1st Round Pick (WAS via NYK)
2023 1st Round Pick (DAL via NYK)
2025 1st Round Pick (TOR)
2027 1st Round Pick (TOR)
2028 1st Round Pick Swap (with TOR)
2029 1st Round Pick (TOR)

Nets pick up seven 1st Round Picks, OG Anunoby and move Joe Harris' contract for a player they can flip at the deadline in Fournier. The issue with Brooklyn and swaps is that they need to have their own picks to complete the swap.

Knicks Receive
Gary Trent Jr
Khem Birch

Raptors Receive
Kevin Durant
Joe Harris

This is really bad for Brooklyn. It is one thing not to include Barnes, it is rather insulting that you wouldn't include Pascal. I also don't see why New York would trade 2 first round picks in a deal where a division rival gets KD. All for Gary Trent? I just don't see it.

Why is trading every allowable draft pick and a high-potential starting wing insulting? What team is putting a player of Pascal Siakam or Scottie Barnes' caliber in an offer?

Phoenix can't send Booker. Miami can't send Adebayo. There's no reporting to indicate Brandon Ingram is available from New Orleans. The comparison to the Rudy Gobert is interesting because the Jazz didn't really get a player of consequence in that deal.

To make it simple, how is Phoenix beating an offer of OG Anunoby, Gary Trent Jr and every allowable pick from Toronto for Kevin Durant and Joe Harris? To make the salaries work, the Nets get rotation players to fill out the roster around Ben Simmons, OG Anunoby and Gary Trent Jr and a full stock of draft picks to replace what they lost in the Harden deal.

Gary Trent isn't a great trade asset. He is closer to filler than he is to a centerpiece. He is a nice player but he also has 1 year left on his deal. OG has 2 years left. Would I rather have Bridges/Ayton with 8 combined years on their contract or Trent/OG with 3 combined years on their contract? It's a no-brainer. You have to see that, right?

[Crives]

I will make a poll for different offers

[Troubadour]

This is really bad for Brooklyn. It is one thing not to include Barnes, it is rather insulting that you wouldn't include Pascal. I also don't see why New York would trade 2 first round picks in a deal where a division rival gets KD. All for Gary Trent? I just don't see it.

Why is trading every allowable draft pick and a high-potential starting wing insulting? What team is putting a player of Pascal Siakam or Scottie Barnes' caliber in an offer?

Phoenix can't send Booker. Miami can't send Adebayo. There's no reporting to indicate Brandon Ingram is available from New Orleans. The comparison to the Rudy Gobert is interesting because the Jazz didn't really get a player of consequence in that deal.

To make it simple, how is Phoenix beating an offer of OG Anunoby, Gary Trent Jr and every allowable pick from Toronto for Kevin Durant and Joe Harris? To make the salaries work, the Nets get rotation players to fill out the roster around Ben Simmons, OG Anunoby and Gary Trent Jr and a full stock of draft picks to replace what they lost in the Harden deal.

Gary Trent isn't a great trade asset. He is closer to filler than he is to a centerpiece. He is a nice player but he also has 1 year left on his deal. OG has 2 years left. Would I rather have Bridges/Ayton with 8 combined years on their contract or Trent/OG with 3 combined years on their contract? It's a no-brainer. You have to see that, right?

Gary Trent Jr is 23 and averaged 18 PTS while shooting 38% 3PT on 8 attempts per game. He did that while being one of the league leaders in steals and a critical part of Toronto's high-effort defensive scheme. That's not a filler player.

It's a bit presumptuous to say Ayton is already signed to that new deal, right? He has to agree to it. If he does, he's probably on a max too. What am I doing with Ben Simmons and Deandre Ayton both maxed out? Haven't we already seen that story play out in Philadelphia?

[Crives]

If I’m phx… I call Toronto and let them know that if they don’t bid up offer to the point phx has to include Ayton… that phx will send Ayton to Toronto on a deal that Toronto will love

[Crives]

Why is trading every allowable draft pick and a high-potential starting wing insulting? What team is putting a player of Pascal Siakam or Scottie Barnes' caliber in an offer?

Phoenix can't send Booker. Miami can't send Adebayo. There's no reporting to indicate Brandon Ingram is available from New Orleans. The comparison to the Rudy Gobert is interesting because the Jazz didn't really get a player of consequence in that deal.

To make it simple, how is Phoenix beating an offer of OG Anunoby, Gary Trent Jr and every allowable pick from Toronto for Kevin Durant and Joe Harris? To make the salaries work, the Nets get rotation players to fill out the roster around Ben Simmons, OG Anunoby and Gary Trent Jr and a full stock of draft picks to replace what they lost in the Harden deal.

Gary Trent isn't a great trade asset. He is closer to filler than he is to a centerpiece. He is a nice player but he also has 1 year left on his deal. OG has 2 years left. Would I rather have Bridges/Ayton with 8 combined years on their contract or Trent/OG with 3 combined years on their contract? It's a no-brainer. You have to see that, right?

Gary Trent Jr is 23 and averaged 18 PTS while shooting 38% 3PT on 8 attempts per game. He did that while being one of the league leaders in steals and a critical part of Toronto's high-effort defensive scheme. That's not a filler player.

It's a bit presumptuous to say Ayton is already signed to that new deal, right? He has to agree to it. If he does, he's probably on a max too. What am I doing with Ben Simmons and Deandre Ayton both maxed out? Haven't we already seen that story play out in Philadelphia?

He is also on an expiring. How valuable is that to bkn given their situation? If I’m bkn I want players with at least 3 yrs of team control

[squarepimpin]

* Note I am a Dubs fan that in general prefers to simply run it back… Listening to reports of Dubs players (Green) discussing this with KD is some backstabbing ****. Cause if anyone on the squad thinks the Dubs need KD then really what they are saying is Klay and Dre ain’t real champ material. Thus my blockbuster trade:

Lakers:
Send: Russell (Nets)
Receive: Kyrie
Picks: FRP 27,29 (Nets)
Roster: Kyrie, Bron, Street Clothes whatever

Nets:
Send: KD, Ben Simmons (GSW); Kyrie (LAL)
Receive: Russell, Klay, D Green, Kuminga
Nuance: Picks, Promising Rookie, Nets are competitive , Vets to mentor youngsters, get off BS money - somebody else’s problems, Russell is basically an expiring.
Roster: Russ, Klay, Joe, Dray, Claxton - nice bench

Dubs:
Send: Klay, Dray, Kuminga, 1 FRP 25’ if necessary(Nets),
Receive: Ben Simmons, Moody Durant
Starters: Steph, Wiggins, KD, Looney, Wiseman
Bench: Benny, Moody, Poole, DiVenzio

Everyone should be competitive next year


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[hugepatsfan]

Nets aren't going to trade Durant so they can be the Warriors with Westbrook instead of Curry.

[Commodor]

Yeah I think Brooklyn would go into a rebuild rather than take GSW’s vets. Also I think GSW would want to keep their vets to run back the dynasty year core with KD. No way they go a looney-wiseman starting line up.

[Troubadour]

Gary Trent isn't a great trade asset. He is closer to filler than he is to a centerpiece. He is a nice player but he also has 1 year left on his deal. OG has 2 years left. Would I rather have Bridges/Ayton with 8 combined years on their contract or Trent/OG with 3 combined years on their contract? It's a no-brainer. You have to see that, right?

Gary Trent Jr is 23 and averaged 18 PTS while shooting 38% 3PT on 8 attempts per game. He did that while being one of the league leaders in steals and a critical part of Toronto's high-effort defensive scheme. That's not a filler player.

It's a bit presumptuous to say Ayton is already signed to that new deal, right? He has to agree to it. If he does, he's probably on a max too. What am I doing with Ben Simmons and Deandre Ayton both maxed out? Haven't we already seen that story play out in Philadelphia?

He is also on an expiring. How valuable is that to bkn given their situation? If I’m bkn I want players with at least 3 yrs of team control

Give him a good role and pay him according to his market value and Brooklyn, a team in the biggest media market in North America, should be able to retain him in free agency. This isn't Minnesota or something we're talking about.

[Topofthekey]

Gary Trent Jr is 23 and averaged 18 PTS while shooting 38% 3PT on 8 attempts per game. He did that while being one of the league leaders in steals and a critical part of Toronto's high-effort defensive scheme. That's not a filler player.

It's a bit presumptuous to say Ayton is already signed to that new deal, right? He has to agree to it. If he does, he's probably on a max too. What am I doing with Ben Simmons and Deandre Ayton both maxed out? Haven't we already seen that story play out in Philadelphia?

He is also on an expiring. How valuable is that to bkn given their situation? If I’m bkn I want players with at least 3 yrs of team control

Give him a good role and pay him according to his market value and Brooklyn, a team in the biggest media market in North America, should be able to retain him in free agency. This isn't Minnesota or something we're talking about.

This got sidetracked a bit, I think

Originally the problem being pointed out was why would the Knicks pay two FRPs for Trent

And that's a legitimate critique

Because it does seem like Knicks are only in the trade to overpay for Trent in order to help Raptors get Durant

[MoneyTalks41890]

GTJr is worth like a late 1st due to his contract situation. But it also depends what Toronto is taking back.

[Troubadour]

He is also on an expiring. How valuable is that to bkn given their situation? If I’m bkn I want players with at least 3 yrs of team control

Give him a good role and pay him according to his market value and Brooklyn, a team in the biggest media market in North America, should be able to retain him in free agency. This isn't Minnesota or something we're talking about.

This got sidetracked a bit, I think

Originally the problem being pointed out was why would the Knicks pay two FRPs for Trent

And that's a legitimate critique

Because it does seem like Knicks are only in the trade to overpay for Trent in order to help Raptors get Durant

That's fine. The idea was to get them that historic haul of draft picks. If they want Gary Trent Jr, that's good too. To me, this is what the Raptors should offer.

Nets Receive
OG Anunoby
Gary Trent Jr
Thaddeus Young
Malachi Flynn
Khem Birch
2023 1st Round Pick
2025 1st Round Pick
2027 1st Round Pick
2028 1st Round Pick Swap
2029 1st Round Pick

Raptors Receive
Kevin Durant
Joe Harris

Nets clear Joe Harris' contract, add four unprotected 1st Round Picks, the only allowable pick swap because they have no picks, two solid rotation players in Young and Flynn, and two under-25 starters with high upside in OG Anunoby and Gary Trent Jr.

[Crives]

Gary Trent Jr is 23 and averaged 18 PTS while shooting 38% 3PT on 8 attempts per game. He did that while being one of the league leaders in steals and a critical part of Toronto's high-effort defensive scheme. That's not a filler player.

It's a bit presumptuous to say Ayton is already signed to that new deal, right? He has to agree to it. If he does, he's probably on a max too. What am I doing with Ben Simmons and Deandre Ayton both maxed out? Haven't we already seen that story play out in Philadelphia?

He is also on an expiring. How valuable is that to bkn given their situation? If I’m bkn I want players with at least 3 yrs of team control

Give him a good role and pay him according to his market value and Brooklyn, a team in the biggest media market in North America, should be able to retain him in free agency. This isn't Minnesota or something we're talking about.

If you are starting a rebuild you want some time for the guy to get acquainted with the city and new culture you are trying to build, not possible pushing for an exit at the deadline to a contender. If you get traded to a team with three years left, your going to try and make it your home… if your on a 1 yr deal, it’s very possibley a different mindset

[Godaddycurse]

GTJr is worth like a late 1st due to his contract situation. But it also depends what Toronto is taking back.

If Grant can fetch capspace, future lightly protected 1st and 3 2nds then GTJ should be able to do better

[Commodor]

Yeah Toronto really needs to adjust expectations here. Nets are asking for Embiid and Maxey from the years if they want KD but Toronto is just going to give their scraps? I would be shocked if the nets don’t demand Barnes as a starting point. I think the raps should definitely keep him over KD but the expectation is HIGH for the return.

[Godaddycurse]

He is also on an expiring. How valuable is that to bkn given their situation? If I’m bkn I want players with at least 3 yrs of team control

Give him a good role and pay him according to his market value and Brooklyn, a team in the biggest media market in North America, should be able to retain him in free agency. This isn't Minnesota or something we're talking about.

If you are starting a rebuild you want some time for the guy to get acquainted with the city and new culture you are trying to build, not possible pushing for an exit at the deadline to a contender. If you get traded to a team with three years left, your going to try and make it your home… if your on a 1 yr deal, it’s very possibley a different mindset

Brooklyn isnt rebuilding though

[Troubadour]

Yeah Toronto really needs to adjust expectations here. Nets are asking for Embiid and Maxey from the years if they want KD but Toronto is just going to give their scraps? I would be shocked if the nets don’t demand Barnes as a starting point. I think the raps should definitely keep him over KD but the expectation is HIGH for the return.

What the Nets ask for and what the Sixers are prepared to offer are two very different things. Why am I going to offer up our rookie of the year and All-NBA player if no one else is?

[Commodor]

Yeah Toronto really needs to adjust expectations here. Nets are asking for Embiid and Maxey from the years if they want KD but Toronto is just going to give their scraps? I would be shocked if the nets don’t demand Barnes as a starting point. I think the raps should definitely keep him over KD but the expectation is HIGH for the return.

What the Nets ask for and what the Sixers are prepared to offer are two very different things. Why am I going to offer up our rookie of the year and All-NBA player if no one else is?

I think the problem is that teams will be willing to offer that level of talent up. Phoenix can make a highly competitive offer with Ayton+Bridges as the basis that would trump any OG/GTJ offer.

I agree Toronto should be wary and go low but the asking price will eventually balloon over these offers on this thread.