Game 5: Packers vs. Giants - 10/9/22 - 8:30 a.m. - NFLN/Channel 4

[M-C-G]

I’m loving the media criticism because for those of us complaining about Rodgers despite his stellar TD:INT ratio people are starting to get how he kills us at times with almost unreal stupidity and checking so many RPOs to passes when it doesn’t make any logical sense.

Let’s be clear, Rodgers **** us and the defense. And Barry is just an Uber JAG of a coach. We need to build an aggressive defense that plays with high testosterone, not this passive nonsense


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What means RPOs?

Run Pass Options. Rodgers gets to pick and he probably picks pass 80% of the time. And then people go why didn’t MLF run the ball more.


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Calves too skinny

[Mags FTW]

Both sides of the ball were definitely at fault for the failure in the 2nd half. Seems like they thought they put the game away at 17-3 and further 20-10 at half.

Nitpicky and probably a stupid complaint, but it's always bugged me how when we build a lead Rodgers starts smiling and hamming it up. Then when it gets tighter and the offense needs to step up, it's harder to bring back the intensity and focus they had at the start.

I mean, did he ever smile like that early in his career when he was trying to get rid of the ghost of Brett?

[stillgotgame]

I’m loving the media criticism because for those of us complaining about Rodgers despite his stellar TD:INT ratio people are starting to get how he kills us at times with almost unreal stupidity and checking so many RPOs to passes when it doesn’t make any logical sense.

Let’s be clear, Rodgers **** us and the defense. And Barry is just an Uber JAG of a coach. We need to build an aggressive defense that plays with high testosterone, not this passive nonsense


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What means RPOs?

Run Pass Options. Rodgers gets to pick and he probably picks pass 80% of the time. And then people go why didn’t MLF run the ball more.


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Because LeFleur is the head coach, not Rodger's enabler. At least his title is head coach. The fact that he supposedly can't call the plays is ridiculous. Call a damn run then.

[Finn]

Rodgers will just audible out.

[PintSizedBox10]

I see we're back to the narrative of the QB changing all the plays. It's come full circle!

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[MickeyDavis]

Rodgers will just audible out.

Agreed. It's not as simple as saying "coach always calls the plays and you can never change them Aaron". That would be terrible. This guy was the MVP THE LAST 2 YEARS. Part of what makes him so good is his ability to read defenses at the line and make adjustments. You can't stop doing this. What none of us knows is how often the play is changed. We simply have no idea. We guess, we speculate but we don't know. But there's no doubt Rodgers is making some bad decisions, whether it's by changing plays when he shouldn't or not executing the plays that are called. I do think a lot of it is due to substandard line play and lack of talent at WR.

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[raysbookclub]

That was a pretty terrible game. Who's not on the hot seat and who is:

-Jenkins at RT is not on the hot seat. He hasn't played like an all-pro there, but he seems to be improving week-by-week. He's still like 10 months out from the ACL. An improved Jenkins is probably the best RT option come January, so as long as he keeps improving, it makes sense to keep him there. If they move him to G, that's fine; I'm just saying it's fine too if they keep at T.

-AR is not on the hot seat. Yes, his deep balls aren't what they were, but he's getting older. That's why none of us would be surprised if he retires this year or next. Yes, he needs to defer to the run more, but he has been doing that pretty well overall under MLF. This game was aberrant, don't know why. Hopefully it stays aberrant and Jones/Dillon get 30+ carries a game going forward.

-AR's superstitions are on the hot seat. Him criticizing Jaire for putting something negative into the universe is lame at best and toxic at worst. I'm being judgy, but I think AR would agree that you don't lose because you mention aloud the possibility of a loss; you lose because you don't prepare well, you don't practice well, and you don't play well.

-Joe Barry is on the hot seat. He's coaching a bunch of first-round picks and expensive free agents and they look very average, very beatable. They can make a DC change and still compete for a Super Bowl.

-Amari Rodgers is on the hot seat. He already has no offensive role. He already lost the kick return job to Watson, and would not be surprised if he loses the punt return job. At some point he's going to be waived. That point will probably coincide with the injury recovery of Watson and Kylin Hill.

[Ron Swanson]

We can all question how much influence Rodgers has on the playbook/play-calling because this has been an obvious point of contention with him dating back to the McCarthy years. But certain plays are just obvious. Like, this may be the most RPO heavy offense we've ever ran from my recollection through the first 5-weeks. And RPO is literally the definition of letting and trusting your QB to make the correct read in real-time.

The first pass play on 3rd & 2 out of shotgun? Who knows. MLF could have called it on the sidelines and that's the play they ran. Rodgers could have not liked it and changed it in the huddle, or audibled at the line after seeing the defense on his pre-snap reads (I don't recall seeing him communicate that once they broke huddle though). 2nd play out of shotgun? RPO to a quick back-shoulder fade to Lazard (who was blanketed anyways) that predictably gets batted down because he threw it into two DE's facemasks. That's 100% on Aaron and it's not that complicated.

Do we have video of the infamous 3 & out sequence right after that 10-minute Giants drive? Because if any of those low percentage "deep shot plays" were out of RPO action then, well....

[MickeyDavis]

I'd like to see Watson be able to stay on the field.

[Dennis Reynolds]

I'd like to see Watson be able to stay on the field.

I'd love for him to show us something, anything other than straight line speed cause right now he's looking like a more athletic MVS with half the football skillset which scares the hell out of me.

[Dennis Reynolds]

Rodgers will just audible out.

Aren't you the funny guy who was clowning me for saying this team wasn't gonna win chit after barely squeaking by the mighty Patriots? You also seem to know what happens on play to play basis and conversations that go on between Rodgers on MLF so I have no idea why you keep wasting all that knowledge on us realgm plebs.

[stillgotgame]

I'd like to see Watson be able to stay on the field.

Why? He's fast and that's it. I don't get the love.

Get the ball to Doubs. He's a receiver. He moves like a receiver, snatches the ball naturally. He's made rookie mistakes but he'll learn.

Watson is just an athlete.

[Mags FTW]

With these injuries, Watson is headed towards Percy Harvin territory.

[Ron Swanson]

It's kinda crazy how much the offense tends to struggle whenever we don't have Watson to run the backfield motion and jet-sweep action. He went out with the hamstring injury and it's like we lost any sort of creativity there. I'd say the biggest failure from a personnel standpoint has been the fact that we still haven't found a speedy hybrid RB/WR that replaced what *checks notes* Tyler Ervin provided for us? Cobb's old and slow and Amari just sucks.

I don't understand why they won't throw Jones into that role with Dillon in the backfield.

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They're gonna have to if Watson can't stay healthy and on the field. But then that also doubles-down on the mistake we made Sunday which is using Jones too much as a decoy. Dude needs more touches.

[Dennis Reynolds]

I see we're back to the narrative of the QB changing all the plays. It's come full circle!

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It wouldn't bother me at all if people saying that would be more consistent when things are going well but it never happens. How does a guy who couldn't figure out how to counter non stop blitz for 60 minutes in a game without Rodgers btw and also admits he was completely outcoached against Tampa in week 3 which wasn't a one time situation gets no blame is beyond me but I guess I'll have to get used to it.

Also tough to forget he decided to shuffle the O-line in the playoffs for no damn reason which ended up being their worst season performance.

And this is coming from someone who blames Rodgers for the last 2 plays yesterday based on the little interaction that went on at the sideline before those plays.

My main issue is that our run game will get stopped at some point like it always does vs Tampa (we had the worst yardage per rush attempt of all the teams Tampa played this season fyi) or how it got stopped in the playoffs against the 49ers and then the question is what then? MLF sure as hell doesn't seem to know the answer and that's the scary part. That's why I hope games like the one yesterday help the team figure it out so in a way it's best that these issues and flaws of our pass game rear it's ugly head now rather than when it matters most.

We also need to find a way to curb stomp a team or 2 cause I can't remember the last time it happened and we've played our fair share of terrible teams over the last few years. That combined with our inability to close out games is getting extremely annoying and will continue to cost us.

[MickeyDavis]

I'd like to see Watson be able to stay on the field.

Why? He's fast and that's it. I don't get the love.

Get the ball to Doubs. He's a receiver. He moves like a receiver, snatches the ball naturally. He's made rookie mistakes but he'll learn.

Watson is just an athlete.

Love? I'll just wait for more than 98 rookie snaps before writing him off ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Treebeard]

I'd like to see Watson be able to stay on the field.

Was he dinged up this often at NDSU? Not a good look so far. I liked the pick when made, but his inability to stay on the is hot-take concerning

[Finn]

Rodgers will just audible out.

Aren't you the funny guy who was clowning me for saying this team wasn't gonna win chit after barely squeaking by the mighty Patriots? You also seem to know what happens on play to play basis and conversations that go on between Rodgers on MLF so I have no idea why you keep wasting all that knowledge on us realgm plebs.

No, I don't believe that was me so I accept your apology. I was simply replying to the comment about MLF calling straight run plays.