2023-2024 Regular Season Game 10/In-Season Tournament Game 1: Orlando Magic (5-4) at Brooklyn Nets (5-5) - 7:30pm

[ibraheim718]

Bro You can't have everything. Take my team.. they have Jalen Brunson.. wings that can shoot.. forwards. I'll take yours. Our fanbase would switch teams with you in a heartbeat. Dead serious.

Why not?

The Magic have close to $75M in expiring contracts.

They have all of their 1st and 2nd round draft picks, all of their pick swaps, an extra 2025 first from Denver.

Why can't they get out there and make some trades for some better talent?

Because there are 29 other teams that are competing for players also.

[Knightro]

We stop tanking and immediately people are in here acting like we need to be competing for championships TODAY

All they need to do is actually pick a lane. Are they winning or are they developing?

If they want to actually try and win - then make some trades. Cash in some assets and get some better talent in here to compliment the young core (Paolo, Franz, Suggs, Black and ideally Jett). They'll have plenty of young talent left. They could make a major trade and still have 4-5 lotto picks from the last 4 drafts in their rotation, ya know?

If they want to keep developing, then they need to stick Black on the ball and force him to get developmental reps. Make him initiate some pick and rolls and live with the inevitable mistakes. Put Howard and Houstan in the rotation and let him take those catch and shoot reps that are currently not filled.

They're trying to do both (win and develop), but they're doing both halfheartedly. And it's going to end up where they miss the play in (or get bounced in the first play in game) *and* they're not going to have a clue if Anthony Black or Jett Howard or Caleb Houstan can actually be heavy minute players on a team with real winning expectations next season.

And if the answer is "oh well what's the rush, they'll add talent next year" - my response is why wait? The free agency market looks grim. They will likely need to trade for guys they feel are good enough and warrant being extended to long-term contracts.

[ibraheim718]

Let's play a game... how many more 3's a game would the Magic have to take to be in the top 10 in the NBA?

The Magic are currently 25th in 3PT attempts and 25th in 3PT percentage.

To get to 10th in 3PT attempts, they'd have to attempt 4.7 more three pointers per game.

That's not what I asked. Miami is 10th in 3pters made per game with 11.2 the Magic are 25th with 10.5. They make 1 more 3 a game. I only count the shots that count. 1.. ONE more made 3 a game would get them into the top 10 % wise.

Instead of focusing on the 3 Mosley can just keep hammering them on the turnovers. 16 to's a game is like 4 or 5 too many.

[Knightro]

But playmaking is one of Paolo's strengths and Franz has been able to get a lot of good shots on his own accord.

I think with all due respect it's way too premature to write off Paolo and Franz. If their decision making had been better this year and in the off season the team wouldn't be 5-5 despite the injuries. They have the potential to be a better duo than Tatum and Brown. And Tatum is an elite talent. Speaking of Tatum.. what did he do in the NBA finals two years ago? Set a record with 100 postseason turnovers.. I bet a mil he would exchange a gang of his 3pters made in exchange for less turnovers. So for him that year what killed him was him turning the ball over it wasn't a lack of making shots. That's what I mean about the complexity of the game. He had to learn.. and there is no guarantee he gets that chance again.

No one is writing them off. That's silly. I love both guys.

I just think this whole concept that Paolo and Franz wouldn't both benefit from a guard who could actually run a capable offensive set (and space the floor/knock down open shots on the possessions where Paolo or Franz are playmaking) is just insane.

I think it would be absolute best thing that could happen to them and to the Magic overall.

[Knightro]

Let's play a game... how many more 3's a game would the Magic have to take to be in the top 10 in the NBA?

The Magic are currently 25th in 3PT attempts and 25th in 3PT percentage.

To get to 10th in 3PT attempts, they'd have to attempt 4.7 more three pointers per game.

That's not what I asked. Miami is 10th in 3pters made per game with 11.2 the Magic are 25th with 10.5. They make 1 more 3 a game. I only count the shots that count. 1.. ONE more made 3 a game would get them into the top 10 % wise.

Instead of focusing on the 3 Mosley can just keep hammering them on the turnovers. 16 to's a game is like 4 or 5 too many.

You literally said "how many more 3's a game would the Magic have to take"

Maybe you meant make, but you clearly said take ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

But like... you're also underestimating how much more valuable one more 3PT made per game would actually be. If the Magic changed nothing else and simply made 1 more 3PT per game than they make now, they'd go from 109.5 PPG (26th in the league) to 112.5 (17th in the league). The margins are that thin.

And why do you think the Magic's turnovers are so high? It couldn't possibly be because they don't have a capable point guard and Paolo and Franz are shouldering way more playmaking responsibilities than they're capable of handling right now, could it?

[ibraheim718]

But playmaking is one of Paolo's strengths and Franz has been able to get a lot of good shots on his own accord.

I think with all due respect it's way too premature to write off Paolo and Franz. If their decision making had been better this year and in the off season the team wouldn't be 5-5 despite the injuries. They have the potential to be a better duo than Tatum and Brown. And Tatum is an elite talent. Speaking of Tatum.. what did he do in the NBA finals two years ago? Set a record with 100 postseason turnovers.. I bet a mil he would exchange a gang of his 3pters made in exchange for less turnovers. So for him that year what killed him was him turning the ball over it wasn't a lack of making shots. That's what I mean about the complexity of the game. He had to learn.. and there is no guarantee he gets that chance again.

No one is writing them off. That's silly. I love both guys.

I just think this whole concept that Paolo and Franz wouldn't both benefit from a guard who could actually run a capable offensive set (and space the floor/knock down open shots on the possessions where Paolo or Franz are playmaking) is just insane.

I think it would be absolute best thing that could happen to them and to the Magic overall.

What player?

[ibraheim718]

The Magic are currently 25th in 3PT attempts and 25th in 3PT percentage.

To get to 10th in 3PT attempts, they'd have to attempt 4.7 more three pointers per game.

That's not what I asked. Miami is 10th in 3pters made per game with 11.2 the Magic are 25th with 10.5. They make 1 more 3 a game. I only count the shots that count. 1.. ONE more made 3 a game would get them into the top 10 % wise.

Instead of focusing on the 3 Mosley can just keep hammering them on the turnovers. 16 to's a game is like 4 or 5 too many.

You literally said "how many more 3's a game would the Magic have to take"

Maybe you meant make, but you clearly said take ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

But like... you're also underestimating how much more valuable one more 3PT made per game would actually be. If the Magic changed nothing else and simply made 1 more 3PT per game than they make now, they'd go from 109.5 PPG (26th in the league) to 112.5 (17th in the league). The margins are that thin.

And why do you think the Magic's turnovers are so high? It couldn't possibly be because they don't have a capable point guard and Paolo and Franz are shouldering way more playmaking responsibilities than they're capable of handling right now, could it?

Sorry I meant make. I had the stat already line up.

[ibraheim718]

Tell me the player you want and what it will take to get him there?

[ibraheim718]

I already knew there was a 1 make difference.

[Knightro]

Sorry I meant make. I had the stat already line up.

Your numbers aren't right anyway.

According to NBA.com, the Magic are 27th in the NBA in 3PT makes per game at 10.5.

In order to get to 10th, they'd have to make 13.2 per game.

So almost 3 more three pointers made per game.

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/traditional?dir=A&sort=FG3M

[eyriq]

Black's treatment in the 4th is a reminder of how tenuous his hold on playing time is, let alone starting.

[ibraheim718]

Sorry I meant make. I had the stat already line up.

Your numbers aren't right anyway.

According to NBA.com, the Magic are 27th in the NBA in 3PT makes per game at 10.5.

In order to get to 10th, they'd have to make 13.2 per game.

So almost 3 more three pointers made per game.

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/traditional?dir=A&sort=FG3M

If the Magic make 11.5 3's a game at the same amount of attempts. What % is that?

[Knightro]

Tell me the player you want and what it will take to get him there?

That isn't up to me. I'm not a general manager and I have no idea who is actually available or not. None of us are privy to those discussions unfortunately. Wish we were though!

I just know the Magic have almost $75M coming off their books this summer and there's not really anyone in unrestricted free agency that's all that good to really spend that money on.

So they need to be proactive and acquire guys in trades that either already make a lot of money or guys who are extension to be guys that they would want to spend their money on.

[ibraheim718]

Tell me the player you want and what it will take to get him there?

That isn't up to me. I'm not a general manager and I have no idea who is actually available or not. None of us are privy to those discussions unfortunately. Wish we were though!

I just know the Magic have almost $75M coming off their books this summer and there's not really anyone in unrestricted free agency that's all that good to really spend that money on.

So they need to be proactive and acquire guys in trades that either already make a lot of money or guys who are extension to be guys that they would want to spend their money on.

But this is RealGM.

[ibraheim718]

36.8.. Miami is 10th in 3pt% at 36.4.

[ibraheim718]

It's so much easier to just let Paolo develop than to trade away young talent with potential for a vet some other team doesn't want.

[SOUL]

We'd be 3 seed in the 90s

[Knightro]

Sorry I meant make. I had the stat already line up.

Your numbers aren't right anyway.

According to NBA.com, the Magic are 27th in the NBA in 3PT makes per game at 10.5.

In order to get to 10th, they'd have to make 13.2 per game.

So almost 3 more three pointers made per game.

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/traditional?dir=A&sort=FG3M

If the Magic make 11.5 3's a game at the same amount of attempts. What % is that?

What are you even arguing here?

The Magic make 10.5 threes per game. That's 27th in the NBA.

The Magic attempt 31.5 threes per game. That's 25th in the NBA.

The Magic convert their threes at a 33.3% clip. That's 25th in the NBA.

In order to get their total number of "makes" into the top 10, which is what you originally asked for, they'd have to make at least 13.2 3PT per game. That's how many threes the 10th place team makes.

But now it appears you've moved the goalposts and are saying you were asking all along for "how many more threes would the Magic have to make for their percentage to jump to 10th best?" because that was a clear as mud based on what you actually asked for originally, but sure.

The Heat are 10th best in percentage and they make 36.4%. In order for the Magic to increase their percentage from 25th to 10th, they'd have to make 1 more three than they make currently, yes.

But again, you're dramatically underestimating how much of a difference 1 extra three actually is. One extra made three per game is +3 on the PPG. Which would jump the Magic like 10 spots in ORTG. The margins are that thin.

[ibraheim718]

We'd be 3 seed in the 90s

As the 4th youngest team in the league. Not bad.

I'll leave on a high note.. was really encouraging to see Paolo shoot the 3 like he did tonight. If he can turn into a good shooter it's lights out.

[ibraheim718]

The Heat are 10th best in percentage and they make 36.4%. In order for the Magic to increase their percentage from 25th to 10th, they'd have to make 1 more three than they make currently, yes.

But again, you're dramatically underestimating how much of a difference 1 extra three actually is. One extra made three per game is +3 on the PPG. Which would jump the Magic like 10 spots in ORTG. The margins are that thin.

Okay so if they make 1 more 3 they would be in the top 10 of 3pt FG% which was a good enough % for the Nuggets to win last year. So let's stop talking about the 3.

And thank you for also pointing out 1 more made 3 a game would jump them up in ORTG.

They can find that 1 more 3 with who they have on the roster. Hell they'd probably be there if Harris didn't get hurt.

Thanks.