Dallas Mavericks 2025 Trade thread -- Roster and Cap -- 1st page updated on July 1st

[daoneandonly]

Kyrie is even older than AD and has less use to Dallas at this point to be honest.

Keep in mind that Kyrie is the only reliable shot-maker/creator left on this team, and in that regard, he's way more valuable than AD. It's also the primary reason why Mavs will be looking for another playmaking guard. AD is a big that can be replaced and wasn't needed at all to begin with...

The intention is to sell high on Kyrie and AD. These guys aren't getting any younger and Flagg is the future of the team. So either you trade them or try to win with them. With Nico at the helm now, it's close to impossible seeing his guys traded. So I don't see it happening. But of course we can do mock trades and all. With Nico still there, I think the untouchables are Kyrie, AD, Lively and Flagg. Without Nico, everybody's fair game outside of Flagg IMO.

As far as mock trades go, I'd give both Kyrie and AD for Amen Thompson or Cade Cunningham (with salary fillers). That's basically handing Houston a trophy IMO but I like Amen's fit beside Flagg.

Neither of those teams are doing that, not realistic at all. Kyries value isn't high due to the injury/rehab, and his skillset is needed. As Arch mentioned, we don't need AD and many of us don't want him either

[arkuo]

Keep in mind that Kyrie is the only reliable shot-maker/creator left on this team, and in that regard, he's way more valuable than AD. It's also the primary reason why Mavs will be looking for another playmaking guard. AD is a big that can be replaced and wasn't needed at all to begin with...

The intention is to sell high on Kyrie and AD. These guys aren't getting any younger and Flagg is the future of the team. So either you trade them or try to win with them. With Nico at the helm now, it's close to impossible seeing his guys traded. So I don't see it happening. But of course we can do mock trades and all. With Nico still there, I think the untouchables are Kyrie, AD, Lively and Flagg. Without Nico, everybody's fair game outside of Flagg IMO.

As far as mock trades go, I'd give both Kyrie and AD for Amen Thompson or Cade Cunningham (with salary fillers). That's basically handing Houston a trophy IMO but I like Amen's fit beside Flagg.

Neither of those teams are doing that, not realistic at all. Kyries value isn't high due to the injury/rehab, and his skillset is needed. As Arch mentioned, we don't need AD and many of us don't want him either

Sure man. But like I said, I don't see Nico trading AD as long as he's here. So the chances of that happening are pretty much the same as the Mavs landing Amen. That was the point. Nico will try to go all in on Kyrie, AD and Flagg the next 2 seasons then I think he leaves after that. Then it's rebuilding with Flagg left in Dallas.

The amount of trade rumors from the Mavs or reputable guys like Stein on AD are zero. This is as much for AD as it is for Kyrie. No trade rumors for Kyrie as well. So they've given no indication of trading those two at all. We've heard more Flagg rumors than we've heard AD or Kyrie rumors. If anything, I'm actually scared that Nico gets fancy and tosses around Flagg for Giannis ideas in his office.

[HMFFL]

Signing Javale McGee and guaranteeing him a starting role

Can you elaborate why you think this makes sense?

[Teffer10]

Signing Javale McGee and guaranteeing him a starting role

Can you elaborate why you think this makes sense?

Stating another one of Nico's brilliant past moves.

[Teffer10]

Nico has made some idiotic moves, but the overall result wasn't too bad until the Luka trade.
Can't understand how he thought subtracting Luka and adding Davis was going to be a net positive for us.

And still can't understand how Nico didn't know Davis was about as unreliable as KP or Embiid.

Silver had to have a hand in this somehow.

[Mavrelous]

Nico has made some idiotic moves, but the overall result wasn't too bad until the Luka trade.
Can't understand how he thought subtracting Luka and adding Davis was going to be a net positive for us.

And still can't understand how Nico didn't know Davis was about as unreliable as KP or Embiid.

Silver had to have a hand in this somehow.

Nico's history is full of baffling moves:
- KP trade -- though MacMahon in the book is saying that in 20/21 Mavs tried to trade KP and teams wanted 1st rd pick to take him.
- Going into 22/23 without a Brunson replacement
- Thinking Javale McGee would change a thing in the team fortune
- Trading unprotected swap needlessly to overpay Grant Williams
- Offering the package used on PJ AND Gafford for Kyle Kuzma

He lucked into few things, like Kyrie having bargain basement value, and OKC wanting Cason Wallace so bad they couldn't afford risking Magic picking him and thus eating Bertans deal to pick him.
We excused all of this because the final product was good, this was a true contender for the 1st time since 2010, and then he went full (Please Use More Appropriate Word).

[arkuo]

Nico has made some idiotic moves, but the overall result wasn't too bad until the Luka trade.
Can't understand how he thought subtracting Luka and adding Davis was going to be a net positive for us.

And still can't understand how Nico didn't know Davis was about as unreliable as KP or Embiid.

Silver had to have a hand in this somehow.

Nico's history is full of baffling moves:
- KP trade -- though MacMahon in the book is saying that in 20/21 Mavs tried to trade KP and teams wanted 1st rd pick to take him.
- Going into 22/23 without a Brunson replacement
- Thinking Javale McGee would change a thing in the team fortune
- Trading unprotected swap needlessly to overpay Grant Williams
- Offering the package used on PJ AND Gafford for Kyle Kuzma

He lucked into few things, like Kyrie having bargain basement value, and OKC wanting Cason Wallace so bad they couldn't afford risking Magic picking him and thus eating Bertans deal to pick him.
We excused all of this because the final product was good, this was a true contender for the 1st time since 2010, and then he went full (Please Use More Appropriate Word).

Joe Tsai refusing to send Kyrie to LA and instead dealing Kyrie to the Mavs was the best thing to happen to Nico. Without Kyrie Mavs would have never sniffed the finals with just Luka alone. That was the clincher. Then getting PJ and Gaff sealed it.

[Teffer10]

Nico has made some idiotic moves, but the overall result wasn't too bad until the Luka trade.
Can't understand how he thought subtracting Luka and adding Davis was going to be a net positive for us.

And still can't understand how Nico didn't know Davis was about as unreliable as KP or Embiid.

Silver had to have a hand in this somehow.

Nico's history is full of baffling moves:
- KP trade -- though MacMahon in the book is saying that in 20/21 Mavs tried to trade KP and teams wanted 1st rd pick to take him.
- Going into 22/23 without a Brunson replacement
- Thinking Javale McGee would change a thing in the team fortune
- Trading unprotected swap needlessly to overpay Grant Williams
- Offering the package used on PJ AND Gafford for Kyle Kuzma

He lucked into few things, like Kyrie having bargain basement value, and OKC wanting Cason Wallace so bad they couldn't afford risking Magic picking him and thus eating Bertans deal to pick him.
We excused all of this because the final product was good, this was a true contender for the 1st time since 2010, and then he went full (Please Use More Appropriate Word).

Considering our lack of offense kept us from winning the title, it was beyond baffling as to why Nico went the route he did.
Personally, I thought we were a Maxi/OMax for DFS trade away from putting us over the top. Not that DFS was that great, but that is just how close I think we were and could have used one more veteran wing defender who could guard multiple positions to add to our depth.

And it wasn't like we were in the 9th or 10th spot when the team was fully healthy earlier in the year. We were a legit top 3 team in the west, if not the entire league.

[daoneandonly]

Signing Javale McGee and guaranteeing him a starting role

Can you elaborate why you think this makes sense?

Stating another one of Nico's brilliant past moves.

Yea previous posts we are going through proof Nico should be fired. Ran out of room because there were so many, so added a new line

[joesha1698]

Keep in mind that Kyrie is the only reliable shot-maker/creator left on this team, and in that regard, he's way more valuable than AD. It's also the primary reason why Mavs will be looking for another playmaking guard. AD is a big that can be replaced and wasn't needed at all to begin with...

The intention is to sell high on Kyrie and AD. These guys aren't getting any younger and Flagg is the future of the team. So either you trade them or try to win with them. With Nico at the helm now, it's close to impossible seeing his guys traded. So I don't see it happening. But of course we can do mock trades and all. With Nico still there, I think the untouchables are Kyrie, AD, Lively and Flagg. Without Nico, everybody's fair game outside of Flagg IMO.

As far as mock trades go, I'd give both Kyrie and AD for Amen Thompson or Cade Cunningham (with salary fillers). That's basically handing Houston a trophy IMO but I like Amen's fit beside Flagg.

Neither of those teams are doing that, not realistic at all. Kyries value isn't high due to the injury/rehab, and his skillset is needed. As Arch mentioned, we don't need AD and many of us don't want him either

We don't need AD? I wouldnt go that far. Without AD this team isnt a legit contender. A team must be anchored by someone to give us a real shot in the playoffs. AD is that anchor on both sides of the ball. When healthy the dude is a beast and gives you a chance to win big with adequate help. Its really simple... this organization has to make up their mind. Without AD, you become like the Minny Timberwolves but with an older scoring guard in Kyrie...you then have to re-construct your team.

I think if you give up on AD -- your basically rebuilding around Flagg. Then you also have to let Kyrie go as well. I'm okay with that. It comes down to the team owner basically deciding he wants to go in that direction. So far, it looks like their keeping AD and Kyrie but with this ownership - you never know.


Teams that would probably take AD:
PHX for Beal and a pick or picks (if they have it)
NYK will may consider moving towns (depends on how they do in playoffs and if they think he can stay healthy)
Hou (may take a stab at him)
Mem (long shot)
Orlando (maybe, their contracts are all over the place)
DET (have the cap space, if they can steal him, and willing to give up a couple of 1st round picks, they might)


As for Kyrie, if you choose to rebuild, (a contender will probably trade for him) for really cheap but its more likely he plays out his contract and leaves next year. If that happens, he'll probably take his sweet time healing up.

[arkuo]

Stein's reporting that Mavs will at least call Boston for Jrue Holiday. And if that fizzle's out, they'll try Lonzo or CP3.

If it's for Jrue, safe to say that Gaff may be headed out along with other guys to match salaries. Basically you're paying Holiday over $30M to be your primary POA defender all the way to the playoffs.

Would Dallas be ok with sending Klay and Gaff to Boston for Jrue?

My guess, it would be Gafford + Naji + Hardy + Omax. It matches Jrue's contract to the dollar. With Boston being a second apron team, they cannot combine players.

Two things, one being if Gafford gets sent to Boston, there will be no way they trade him to help the Lakers. And two, if Boston agrees to that package, you let Dumont worry about paying Jrue and run out of the room.

[Mavrelous]

Klay, Hardy and Gafford (to ATL, into TPE, for 2 2nds) should be the offer.

[joesha1698]

Klay, Hardy and Gafford (to ATL, into TPE, for 2 2nds) should be the offer.

You don't think Klay's shooting and veteran leadership is more important than what Naji offers? I think Nico is gonna be hard pressed to want to get off Klay. Plus, we have a log jam at SF/PF and Naji isnt a good 3 point shooter.

[joesha1698]

Stein's reporting that Mavs will at least call Boston for Jrue Holiday. And if that fizzle's out, they'll try Lonzo or CP3.

If it's for Jrue, safe to say that Gaff may be headed out along with other guys to match salaries. Basically you're paying Holiday over $30M to be your primary POA defender all the way to the playoffs.

Would Dallas be ok with sending Klay and Gaff to Boston for Jrue?

My guess, it would be Gafford + Naji + Hardy + Omax. It matches Jrue's contract to the dollar. With Boston being a second apron team, they cannot combine players.

Two things, one being if Gafford gets sent to Boston, there will be no way they trade him to help the Lakers. And two, if Boston agrees to that package, you let Dumont worry about paying Jrue and run out of the room.

Hmm...Jrue is 34 is my only worry. Guys are playing later into their careers these days but its a bit of a worry. Jrue does have a history with AD which is good. I would probably prefer Lonzo or Chris Paul. Lonzo has two years remaining and is 27. Jrue has 3 years remaining. If we can get two rings with Jrue...bring him on. We could always move him on his last year. I would be fine with either one of these 3 depending on who can we can get. I like the thought process by Nico.

[arkuo]

Stein's reporting that Mavs will at least call Boston for Jrue Holiday. And if that fizzle's out, they'll try Lonzo or CP3.

If it's for Jrue, safe to say that Gaff may be headed out along with other guys to match salaries. Basically you're paying Holiday over $30M to be your primary POA defender all the way to the playoffs.

Would Dallas be ok with sending Klay and Gaff to Boston for Jrue?

My guess, it would be Gafford + Naji + Hardy + Omax. It matches Jrue's contract to the dollar. With Boston being a second apron team, they cannot combine players.

Two things, one being if Gafford gets sent to Boston, there will be no way they trade him to help the Lakers. And two, if Boston agrees to that package, you let Dumont worry about paying Jrue and run out of the room.

Hmm...Jrue is 34 is my only worry. Guys are playing later into their careers these days but its a bit of a worry. Jrue does have a history with AD which is good. I would probably prefer Lonzo or Chris Paul. Lonzo has two years remaining and is 27. Jrue has 3 years remaining. If we can get two rings with Jrue...bring him on. We could always move him on his last year. I would be fine with either one of these 3 depending on who can we can get. I like the thought process by Nico.

Since Jrue's game is not predicated on dunks and athleticism, I think he will be fine just like Tony Allen playing into his mid 30s. The biggest hole Dallas has is someone who can defend the POA. If they manage to address that this season along with additional guard play, Dallas will be a very hard team to beat. Jrue checks two boxes in one move.

C - Lively / AD / Jones
PF- AD / PJ / Naji
SF- Flagg / PJ / Martin
SG- Holiday / Christie
PG- Kyrie / BWill / Exum

That lineup will be tough to beat IMO. If you're the opponent, if you manage to get past Holiday, you run into AD or Flagg, and if you manage to get past those two, Lively will be waiting for your shot in the paint. If you get your shot blocked, Kyrie's running on the end of the court for a free layup.

[ACMFFL]

Jrue contract and age scare me a lot, that 3rd year is kinda brutal and kills all my interest tbh.

Lonzo is a walking injury but at least he's way less risky, he's basically an expiring (he has a TO) and makes 1/3 of Jrue money.

[Mavrelous]

Klay, Hardy and Gafford (to ATL, into TPE, for 2 2nds) should be the offer.

You don't think Klay's shooting and veteran leadership is more important than what Naji offers? I think Nico is gonna be hard pressed to want to get off Klay. Plus, we have a log jam at SF/PF and Naji isnt a good 3 point shooter.

It's about contract sizes, assuming AD and Kyrie are off limits, you need to match the money, Klay is the 3rd biggest contract.

[daoneandonly]

Klay, Hardy and Gafford (to ATL, into TPE, for 2 2nds) should be the offer.

You don't think Klay's shooting and veteran leadership is more important than what Naji offers? I think Nico is gonna be hard pressed to want to get off Klay. Plus, we have a log jam at SF/PF and Naji isnt a good 3 point shooter.

How is klay a leader? Because he's old? Dude refuses to be a bench guy even though it's best for any team he's on. That's not leadership, it's selfish ego

[41Dirk41]

But why do we have to complicate our lives so much?

Trade AD and not resign Kyrie. Half of our problems will go away.

[Teffer10]

But why do we have to complicate our lives so much?

Trade AD and not resign Kyrie. Half of our problems will go away.

I think 99.9% of Mavs personnel and fans would be happy with this strategy considering the good fortune we received on May 12th.

Unfortunately Nico falls in the .1 % group.