Where is Nerlens?

[spikeslovechild]

All I'll say is when I look around the league at other teams' front courts, I don't see a huge or vibrant market. Charlotte could use Noel, maybe Golden State, Houston, Toronto. New Orleans might take either guy. Chicago, the Lakers.. Maybe three-team deals with Brooklyn or Memphis if they want younger, cheaper blood. Washington might trade, like, Otto Porter for one of your bigs. But I'm not trying to "grate", I just don't see any of those teams being in a position to offer significantly more than Boston. If you could get Beverly and Capela for Nerlens, do it. Jeremy Lamb, Terence Ross, Tyreke Evans' expiring? Doug Mcdermott and Bobby Portis? That's where I see the market. Or like, Lopez to the Hornets, Kidd-Gilchrist to Philly, Okafor to Brooklyn, as a long-shot. There are only so many chess moves, and apart from that last trade, the only guys in the first group I see as above Rozier/Olynyk in value and upside are Capela, who can play the 4, and Ross.

Hinkie left you in great shape with Saric, Embiid, Simmons, the Lakers' pick. But he screwed you on the Noel/Okafor/Joel logjam. Everyone in the league knows it, and if you wait and get someone like Jordan Clarkson, or Randle, whoever, that's great luck. But you're stuck waiting for another team's impatience, injury, or mistake. And everyone else is waiting for Colangelo to blink. There's not a seller's market for centers, there's been an influx of good center prospects, and we have the analytic data now to value the defense-first guys more accurately (highly).

But I'm bailing on this conversation, I don't want to push back too much more and get banned.

Your expectation on the value of Olynyk and Rozier is absurd. Beverly and Capella is a muuuucch better offer for Noel or Okafor than Olynyk and Rozier. Houston fans would laugh in your face if you offered Olynyk and Rozier for Capela alone. Much less Capela AND Beverly. I don't even think Olynyk and Rozier could get the Bulls to trade McDermott and Portis, and they're nothing but career bench players. Go somewhere with that Olynyk nonsense.

Olynyk is a stretch 4/5 those players are like gold in todays NBA. Donatas Motiejunas almost got traded for a first last season. Plus the demand just isn't there for def C right now. Having Olynyk opens up a whole host of other teams.

I'm with you in the aspect that I don't want Olynyk but I don't really have a problem moving him as part of another trade for a pick. Maybe Toronto for a 1st. Or a piece from the Wolves (Rubio?). Pistons. Etc.

I don't really have a problem with the Hou offer either. Beverly could probably be flipped for decent value especially considering the desperation of the Cavs right now. Capella would be good insurance against Embiid and moves the timetable back a year.

But I'm not sure that offer is real. Who knows.

[LloydFree]

All I'll say is when I look around the league at other teams' front courts, I don't see a huge or vibrant market. Charlotte could use Noel, maybe Golden State, Houston, Toronto. New Orleans might take either guy. Chicago, the Lakers.. Maybe three-team deals with Brooklyn or Memphis if they want younger, cheaper blood. Washington might trade, like, Otto Porter for one of your bigs. But I'm not trying to "grate", I just don't see any of those teams being in a position to offer significantly more than Boston. If you could get Beverly and Capela for Nerlens, do it. Jeremy Lamb, Terence Ross, Tyreke Evans' expiring? Doug Mcdermott and Bobby Portis? That's where I see the market. Or like, Lopez to the Hornets, Kidd-Gilchrist to Philly, Okafor to Brooklyn, as a long-shot. There are only so many chess moves, and apart from that last trade, the only guys in the first group I see as above Rozier/Olynyk in value and upside are Capela, who can play the 4, and Ross.

Hinkie left you in great shape with Saric, Embiid, Simmons, the Lakers' pick. But he screwed you on the Noel/Okafor/Joel logjam. Everyone in the league knows it, and if you wait and get someone like Jordan Clarkson, or Randle, whoever, that's great luck. But you're stuck waiting for another team's impatience, injury, or mistake. And everyone else is waiting for Colangelo to blink. There's not a seller's market for centers, there's been an influx of good center prospects, and we have the analytic data now to value the defense-first guys more accurately (highly).

But I'm bailing on this conversation, I don't want to push back too much more and get banned.

Your expectation on the value of Olynyk and Rozier is absurd. Beverly and Capella is a muuuucch better offer for Noel or Okafor than Olynyk and Rozier. Houston fans would laugh in your face if you offered Olynyk and Rozier for Capela alone. Much less Capela AND Beverly. I don't even think Olynyk and Rozier could get the Bulls to trade McDermott and Portis, and they're nothing but career bench players. Go somewhere with that Olynyk nonsense.

Olynyk is a stretch 4/5 those players are like gold in todays NBA. Donatas Motiejunas almost got traded for a first last season. Plus the demand just isn't there for def C right now. Having Olynyk opens up a whole host of other teams.

I'm with you in the aspect that I don't want Olynyk but I don't really have a problem moving him as part of another trade for a pick. Maybe Toronto for a 1st. Or a piece from the Wolves (Rubio?). Pistons. Etc.

I don't really have a problem with the Hou offer either. Beverly could probably be flipped for decent value especially considering the desperation of the Cavs right now. Capella would be good insurance against Embiid and moves the timetable back a year.

But I'm not sure that offer is real. Who knows.

It figures.

[Ericb5]

All I'll say is when I look around the league at other teams' front courts, I don't see a huge or vibrant market. Charlotte could use Noel, maybe Golden State, Houston, Toronto. New Orleans might take either guy. Chicago, the Lakers.. Maybe three-team deals with Brooklyn or Memphis if they want younger, cheaper blood. Washington might trade, like, Otto Porter for one of your bigs. But I'm not trying to "grate", I just don't see any of those teams being in a position to offer significantly more than Boston. If you could get Beverly and Capela for Nerlens, do it. Jeremy Lamb, Terence Ross, Tyreke Evans' expiring? Doug Mcdermott and Bobby Portis? That's where I see the market. Or like, Lopez to the Hornets, Kidd-Gilchrist to Philly, Okafor to Brooklyn, as a long-shot. There are only so many chess moves, and apart from that last trade, the only guys in the first group I see as above Rozier/Olynyk in value and upside are Capela, who can play the 4, and Ross.

Hinkie left you in great shape with Saric, Embiid, Simmons, the Lakers' pick. But he screwed you on the Noel/Okafor/Joel logjam. Everyone in the league knows it, and if you wait and get someone like Jordan Clarkson, or Randle, whoever, that's great luck. But you're stuck waiting for another team's impatience, injury, or mistake. And everyone else is waiting for Colangelo to blink. There's not a seller's market for centers, there's been an influx of good center prospects, and we have the analytic data now to value the defense-first guys more accurately (highly).

But I'm bailing on this conversation, I don't want to push back too much more and get banned.

Your expectation on the value of Olynyk and Rozier is absurd. Beverly and Capella is a muuuucch better offer for Noel or Okafor than Olynyk and Rozier. Houston fans would laugh in your face if you offered Olynyk and Rozier for Capela alone. Much less Capela AND Beverly. I don't even think Olynyk and Rozier could get the Bulls to trade McDermott and Portis, and they're nothing but career bench players. Go somewhere with that Olynyk nonsense.

Olynyk is a stretch 4/5 those players are like gold in todays NBA. Donatas Motiejunas almost got traded for a first last season. Plus the demand just isn't there for def C right now. Having Olynyk opens up a whole host of other teams.

I'm with you in the aspect that I don't want Olynyk but I don't really have a problem moving him as part of another trade for a pick. Maybe Toronto for a 1st. Or a piece from the Wolves (Rubio?). Pistons. Etc.

I don't really have a problem with the Hou offer either. Beverly could probably be flipped for decent value especially considering the desperation of the Cavs right now. Capella would be good insurance against Embiid and moves the timetable back a year.

But I'm not sure that offer is real. Who knows.

Dude. You are a Sixer fan, right?

Why the hell would we want ANY other big man back in a trade? It just makes no sense.

We have 3 starting caliber centers, and a 4th prospect that can give you minutes. Even if we traded Noel we still have too few minutes to go around, unless Okafor can play a lot at the 4.


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[Chris4Vikes]

This roster is hilarious. Lots of young talent, but perhaps the most unbalanced and unworkable roster in league history.

[SouthJersey]

Your expectation on the value of Olynyk and Rozier is absurd. Beverly and Capella is a muuuucch better offer for Noel or Okafor than Olynyk and Rozier. Houston fans would laugh in your face if you offered Olynyk and Rozier for Capela alone. Much less Capela AND Beverly. I don't even think Olynyk and Rozier could get the Bulls to trade McDermott and Portis, and they're nothing but career bench players. Go somewhere with that Olynyk nonsense.

Olynyk is a stretch 4/5 those players are like gold in todays NBA. Donatas Motiejunas almost got traded for a first last season. Plus the demand just isn't there for def C right now. Having Olynyk opens up a whole host of other teams.

I'm with you in the aspect that I don't want Olynyk but I don't really have a problem moving him as part of another trade for a pick. Maybe Toronto for a 1st. Or a piece from the Wolves (Rubio?). Pistons. Etc.

I don't really have a problem with the Hou offer either. Beverly could probably be flipped for decent value especially considering the desperation of the Cavs right now. Capella would be good insurance against Embiid and moves the timetable back a year.

But I'm not sure that offer is real. Who knows.

Dude. You are a Sixer fan, right?

Why the hell would we want ANY other big man back in a trade? It just makes no sense.

We have 3 starting caliber centers, and a 4th prospect that can give you minutes. Even if we traded Noel we still have too few minutes to go around, unless Okafor can play a lot at the 4.


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Yeah no interest in trading for a big man. Capela or Olynyk are whatever, some potential, but they won't live up to it in Philly with the bigman blockage, so they will be lost in FA.

[Unbreakable99]

This roster is hilarious. Lots of young talent, but perhaps the most unbalanced and unworkable roster in league history.

We aren't competing for a title this year. Everything will sort out. It's all about Embiid and Simmons. You're looking at it the wrong way. We have our centerpieces. Hopefully. If Simmons and Embiid pan out and stay healthy who cares about Noel and Okafor and our unbalanced team? They will either serve as backups or be traded.

[spikeslovechild]

Your expectation on the value of Olynyk and Rozier is absurd. Beverly and Capella is a muuuucch better offer for Noel or Okafor than Olynyk and Rozier. Houston fans would laugh in your face if you offered Olynyk and Rozier for Capela alone. Much less Capela AND Beverly. I don't even think Olynyk and Rozier could get the Bulls to trade McDermott and Portis, and they're nothing but career bench players. Go somewhere with that Olynyk nonsense.

Olynyk is a stretch 4/5 those players are like gold in todays NBA. Donatas Motiejunas almost got traded for a first last season. Plus the demand just isn't there for def C right now. Having Olynyk opens up a whole host of other teams.

I'm with you in the aspect that I don't want Olynyk but I don't really have a problem moving him as part of another trade for a pick. Maybe Toronto for a 1st. Or a piece from the Wolves (Rubio?). Pistons. Etc.

I don't really have a problem with the Hou offer either. Beverly could probably be flipped for decent value especially considering the desperation of the Cavs right now. Capella would be good insurance against Embiid and moves the timetable back a year.

But I'm not sure that offer is real. Who knows.

Dude. You are a Sixer fan, right?

Why the hell would we want ANY other big man back in a trade? It just makes no sense.

We have 3 starting caliber centers, and a 4th prospect that can give you minutes. Even if we traded Noel we still have too few minutes to go around, unless Okafor can play a lot at the 4.


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First of all, I view Okafor as a 4. I mean he will play some 5 regardless but I think longterm that is his best position. I also think the Simmons injury sort of solidifies that for him.

Anyways inreagrds to Olynyk I thought my post made it clear it would be a three team deal and he would be moved almost immediately. The Houston trade is a little different. Both Beverly and Capella have multiple years left on their deal.

Eventhough I would move both you can be a little patient. Not sure why that is difficult to understand.

[Foshan]

This roster is hilarious. Lots of young talent, but perhaps the most unbalanced and unworkable roster in league history.

This is trolling. It is not at all constructive and unnecessary. Consider yourself warned, next time you are taking a vacation from our board.

[TGFA]

well looks like Noel got his wish , more minutes for him.

[spikeslovechild]

well looks like Noel got his wish , more minutes for him.

This is the one of the biggest misnomers out there. Simmons would have saw 0 minutes at the five it doesn't really affect the Noel situation at all.

[Ericb5]

Olynyk is a stretch 4/5 those players are like gold in todays NBA. Donatas Motiejunas almost got traded for a first last season. Plus the demand just isn't there for def C right now. Having Olynyk opens up a whole host of other teams.

I'm with you in the aspect that I don't want Olynyk but I don't really have a problem moving him as part of another trade for a pick. Maybe Toronto for a 1st. Or a piece from the Wolves (Rubio?). Pistons. Etc.

I don't really have a problem with the Hou offer either. Beverly could probably be flipped for decent value especially considering the desperation of the Cavs right now. Capella would be good insurance against Embiid and moves the timetable back a year.

But I'm not sure that offer is real. Who knows.

Dude. You are a Sixer fan, right?

Why the hell would we want ANY other big man back in a trade? It just makes no sense.

We have 3 starting caliber centers, and a 4th prospect that can give you minutes. Even if we traded Noel we still have too few minutes to go around, unless Okafor can play a lot at the 4.


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First of all, I view Okafor as a 4. I mean he will play some 5 regardless but I think longterm that is his best position. I also think the Simmons injury sort of solidifies that for him.

Anyways inreagrds to Olynyk I thought my post made it clear it would be a three team deal and he would be moved almost immediately. The Houston trade is a little different. Both Beverly and Capella have multiple years left on their deal.

Eventhough I would move both you can be a little patient. Not sure why that is difficult to understand.

I think Okafor's best position could turn out to be the 4 too, but still taking back a 4 or 5 in trade makes no sense. Sure, if it is a three team deal and we get a guard back then that is fine, but if we aren't clearing the logjam then there is no point.

Even saying that though, taking Olynyk for Okafor is crazy. Olynyk is a role player and nothing more. He is an active big man that can shoot. I like him, and would be happy to have him on our team in a vacuum, but we need to trade a big for a wing or guard.


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[TGFA]

well looks like Noel got his wish , more minutes for him.

This is the one of the biggest misnomers out there. Simmons would have saw 0 minutes at the five it doesn't really affect the Noel situation at all.

if they take Okafor minutes at the 5 and give him some time at the 4 position because Simmons is injured it opens minutes for Noel at the 5

[Ericb5]

well looks like Noel got his wish , more minutes for him.

This is the one of the biggest misnomers out there. Simmons would have saw 0 minutes at the five it doesn't really affect the Noel situation at all.

if they take Okafor minutes at the 5 and give him some time at the 4 position because Simmons is injured it opens minutes for Noel at the 5

Yup. Minutes opening up at the 4 means that Okafor will get more chance to play there, which in turn release pressure on the minutes at the 5.


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[spikeslovechild]

This is the one of the biggest misnomers out there. Simmons would have saw 0 minutes at the five it doesn't really affect the Noel situation at all.

if they take Okafor minutes at the 5 and give him some time at the 4 position because Simmons is injured it opens minutes for Noel at the 5

Yup. Minutes opening up at the 4 means that Okafor will get more chance to play there, which in turn release pressure on the minutes at the 5.


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Except we have ton of depth at the 4. You could easily slide Okafor to the 5 when Embiid sits and bring someone in like Saric to play the 4.

[Ericb5]

if they take Okafor minutes at the 5 and give him some time at the 4 position because Simmons is injured it opens minutes for Noel at the 5

Yup. Minutes opening up at the 4 means that Okafor will get more chance to play there, which in turn release pressure on the minutes at the 5.


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Except we have ton of depth at the 4. You could easily slide Okafor to the 5 when Embiid sits and bring someone in like Saric to play the 4.

Of course, but we could have done that before the injury. I always hoped and expected that Okafor would get minutes at the 4, but now he will get more.


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[spikeslovechild]

Yeah, I wanted to see Okafor get a ton minutes at the 4 as well but not this way. My point is the injury is something we can work around and shouldn't preclude us from moving Noel if we get an acceptable offer.

[sixerswillrule]

Why the hell would we want ANY other big man back in a trade? It just makes no sense.

Well hypothetically, trading Noel or Okafor for a big man like Porzingis would make a lot of sense. He along with either of the two remaining centers on the floor together is a much better fit than two of our current centers on the floor together. Not to mention, Simmons at the 3 (when he comes back in December ) becomes a viable option.

[Ericb5]

Yeah, I wanted to see Okafor get a ton minutes at the 4 as well but not this way. My point is the injury is something we can work around and shouldn't preclude us from moving Noel if we get an acceptable offer.

It shouldn't, but it probably will. I can't see them trading Okafor or Noel while Embiid AND Simmons are question marks.

Still, that is fine with me. I was anxious for a good trade, but I wouldn't cut bait until the deadline anyway, so this doesn't really mess with the timeline that I had in my head.

It DOES suck though primarily because it will put a cloud over his whole rookie year. It probably takes him out of the running for the rookie of the year award for example.

Long term it is a fluke injury that will heal. Short term it is a major bummer.


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[Ericb5]

Why the hell would we want ANY other big man back in a trade? It just makes no sense.

Well hypothetically, trading Noel or Okafor for a big man like Porzingis would make a lot of sense. He along with either of the two remaining centers on the floor together is a much better fit than two of our current centers on the floor together. Not to mention, Simmons at the 3 (when he comes back in December ) becomes a viable option.

I would rather have Porzingis than Okafor or Noel. Don't get me wrong, but that isn't going to happen. Even Porzingis wouldn't solve our issues because Simmons is a better prospect that STILL may be best playing the 4. Of course Porzingis is a better fit with Embiid than Okafor or Noel though, and that is a big advantage.

Still, we need to trade for a wing, or preferably a guard outside of a huge talent imbalance in our favor for an Okafor/Noel deal.


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[spikeslovechild]

Why the hell would we want ANY other big man back in a trade? It just makes no sense.

Well hypothetically, trading Noel or Okafor for a big man like Porzingis would make a lot of sense. He along with either of the two remaining centers on the floor together is a much better fit than two of our current centers on the floor together. Not to mention, Simmons at the 3 (when he comes back in December ) becomes a viable option.

I would rather have Porzingis than Okafor or Noel. Don't get me wrong, but that isn't going to happen. Even Porzingis wouldn't solve our issues because Simmons is a better prospect that STILL may be best playing the 4. Of course Porzingis is a better fit with Embiid than Okafor or Noel though, and that is a big advantage.

Still, we need to trade for a wing, or preferably a guard outside of a huge talent imbalance in our favor for an Okafor/Noel deal.


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Porzingis is a nice player don't get me wrong but I'm not convinced he'll necessarily have the better career then Okafor. I mean sure he's a big that shoots threes but he didn't really make them last season and shot .421 overall on the season. He also was supposed to be working on his low post game and adding weight this offseason.

The most recent report has him adding one pound. So yeah it looks like he'll continue to be a work in progress. I know I'm going to get called a homer but another reason why I really am not concerned about Porzingis as many of you here is because I believe in Okafor as a person, player, and prospect. Ask Michael Carter-Williams how much a great rookie year means. It means squat if you don't build on it and develop your game.