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KnicksGod wrote:ClydeRules wrote:Trump will win this election easily and people will say "how did this happen"?
I think we heard the same rumors about Mitt, and he lost by more than he was supposed to. Now Trump is down more than Mitt seemed to be down.
Only in one's mind is Trump a hero to all. Most people do not like H but they view T as unqualified and sort of crazy. Big difference.
Moose wrote:KnicksGod wrote:Moose wrote:The election is over. The only promise given this time around is a terrible president. Trump is a disaster and Clinton should not be president based on the track record and baggage. Obviously, Clinton is going to win.
One of my fears is that terrorism will continue to thrive under Clinton. Also, I don't see her standing up to the Russians and cutting off the aggression. It is a tough spot to be in for sure, as to what to do...but if Obama is being made to look like a b*tch with russia, iran, cuba, and North Korea, then I dont see how clinton would do any better. Would Trump? Hard to say, but his aggressive demeaner/actions may actually prevent a significant war in the future. Or simply step on the gas.
Considering the disrepespect we have gotten from certain countries the last 12 years or so, i wouldnt be surprised if we were in a war within 25 years.
They see us as p*ssies. And when you let things escalate like this, it eventually leads to war, or at least 1000s of deaths.
We are starting to see small attacks on our soil from terrorists. I fear that is only going to get worse.
I wish we had a stronger, more stable candidate.
I think H is a smart and strong foreign policy leader. She'll weigh all her options carefully and execute. Terrorism is going to continue but she will scrub all the details of policy, erring on the hawkish, interventionist side. No president, particularly not a President Trump, could wipe out terrorism.
Also what do you mean by thrive? There are scattered individual attacks, unavoidable I'm afraid, but Iraq has reclaimed most of its territory and is about to kick IS out altogether. Iraq is persisting. Whole and still a young democracy. Syria, if anything, may have shown us that doing less does not produce a good outcome.
Where has Hillary Clinton shown us a strong sense of foreign policy? When weighing her options, people have died and isis has gotten stronger. And illegal immigration and a proper immigration system has taken a back seat.
Forget about being on a side. The election is essentially over, and Hillary won...but where could you possibly feel comfortable with her immigration and foreign policy ideas?
And lets not do a trump comparison. Lets focus on Hillary as our president.
CJackson wrote:moocow007 wrote:I don't think either candidate can be trusted to be quite honest but it very well may be a case of who do you trust more. Clinton IMO is the less "dangerous" option.
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moocow007 wrote:CJackson wrote:moocow007 wrote:I don't think either candidate can be trusted to be quite honest but it very well may be a case of who do you trust more. Clinton IMO is the less "dangerous" option.
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GONYK wrote:KnicksGod wrote:ClydeRules wrote:Trump will win this election easily and people will say "how did this happen"?
I think we heard the same rumors about Mitt, and he lost by more than he was supposed to. Now Trump is down more than Mitt seemed to be down.
Only in one's mind is Trump a hero to all. Most people do not like H but they view T as unqualified and sort of crazy. Big difference.
It's funny that a candidate who spends so much time citing polls has a base that refuses to believe them
ClydeRules wrote:If you're so blind that you can't see that almost the entire media complex is in the Hillary camp and are manipulating your thoughts then you are deplorable and irredeemable. Just read Wikileaks. And they are the same ones doing the polling.
KnicksGod wrote:GONYK wrote:KnicksGod wrote:
I think we heard the same rumors about Mitt, and he lost by more than he was supposed to. Now Trump is down more than Mitt seemed to be down.
Only in one's mind is Trump a hero to all. Most people do not like H but they view T as unqualified and sort of crazy. Big difference.
It's funny that a candidate who spends so much time citing polls has a base that refuses to believe them
Yesterday T said he has never been more ashamed of this country. Why? In essence, because he's been exposed and is losing the election badly. He wants to sell himself as the ultimate winner but when the chips are down, he's losing self-control and flailing away at everybody, instead of fixing himself or his campaign and ... winning.
As it turns out, T has a loser mentality. He can't even hold together his own political party, which had supported him in full (probably against its better judgment), yet he wants us to believe that he is going to lead this country, the free world, AND fix all of the problems?
Doesn't pass the laugh test.
aj49689 wrote:Lolo wrote:aj49689 wrote:
Take a breath and settle down, my statement is only meant to let you know that I believe voting is not needed for other reasons. Besides the fact that I could be wrong is that I could be right. Again, you assume so much when you have no real understanding of others. I would just give it up, its a game that isn't worth your time. Consciousness can't see up, it can only see down.
Are you implying voting is not needed because this election is going to be rigged for Hillary to win?
I do believe its tilted in her favor but I don't believe either will end up as president. Most likely, because America is growing unstable and the people are divided, the elections could simply be postponed/suspended due to growing unrest. First off, Obama doesn't believe Trump should be president and also said he would not become the next president of the USA. Trump, If elected, would pose a big threat to Obama and Hillary once the information is over looked for prosecution. The FBI has already admitted that Hillary broke the Law in several ways during the mishandling of classified material. Obama has also broke an extensive amount of federal laws and many Impeachable Offenses. An agenda is in place that I don't care to talk about but would be best kept in place by Hillary. Russian President Vladimir Putin has been siding with Trump and talking about Hillary as a threat to Russia's well being. Putin believes if Hillary is elected that world war 3 will follow, which he also considers Obama and Hillary as being the cause of ISIS(Also according to wiki-leaks). Wiki Leaks is said to have a 100 percent accuracy over the span of its time. The situation in Iran and Syria with ISIS is creating a conflict of interest. Riots are getting worse, Civil unrest is getting worse, these groups of protesters are being more and more violent. Obama has the power to enact Martial Law for any reason, we have never seen a more dangerous time to hand over the presidency. Voter fraud is talked about more now and people have testified about its happenings. We are in the information age, anything can be said and anything can be believed by the majority.
_______ K N I C K S_________ * * GO NY GO NY GO NY GO!* * ClydeRules wrote:If you're so blind that you can't see that almost the entire media complex is in the Hillary camp and are manipulating your thoughts then you are deplorable and irredeemable. Just read Wikileaks. And they are the same ones doing the polling.
ClydeRules wrote:If you're so blind that you can't see that almost the entire media complex is in the Hillary camp and are manipulating your thoughts then you are deplorable and irredeemable. Just read Wikileaks. And they are the same ones doing the polling.
duetta wrote:ClydeRules wrote:If you're so blind that you can't see that almost the entire media complex is in the Hillary camp and are manipulating your thoughts then you are deplorable and irredeemable. Just read Wikileaks. And they are the same ones doing the polling.
Of course they are. They're sane. Drumpf violates every norm for a Presidential candidate - and his supporters are even crazier than he is. Actually, the truth is that Drumpf likely doesn't believe half of what says, but his supporters do believe these things - which makes them even scarier.
GONYK wrote:ClydeRules wrote:If you're so blind that you can't see that almost the entire media complex is in the Hillary camp and are manipulating your thoughts then you are deplorable and irredeemable. Just read Wikileaks. And they are the same ones doing the polling.
So who was doing the polling 3 weeks ago when Trump and Hillary were within 1 point of each other nationally, with Trump leading in Ohio and Florida?
duetta wrote:ClydeRules wrote:If you're so blind that you can't see that almost the entire media complex is in the Hillary camp and are manipulating your thoughts then you are deplorable and irredeemable. Just read Wikileaks. And they are the same ones doing the polling.
Of course they are. They're sane. Drumpf violates every norm for a Presidential candidate - and his supporters are even crazier than he is. Actually, the truth is that Drumpf likely doesn't believe half of what says, but his supporters do believe these things - which makes them even scarier.
KnicksGod wrote:Moose wrote:KnicksGod wrote:
I think H is a smart and strong foreign policy leader. She'll weigh all her options carefully and execute. Terrorism is going to continue but she will scrub all the details of policy, erring on the hawkish, interventionist side. No president, particularly not a President Trump, could wipe out terrorism.
Also what do you mean by thrive? There are scattered individual attacks, unavoidable I'm afraid, but Iraq has reclaimed most of its territory and is about to kick IS out altogether. Iraq is persisting. Whole and still a young democracy. Syria, if anything, may have shown us that doing less does not produce a good outcome.
Where has Hillary Clinton shown us a strong sense of foreign policy? When weighing her options, people have died and isis has gotten stronger. And illegal immigration and a proper immigration system has taken a back seat.
Forget about being on a side. The election is essentially over, and Hillary won...but where could you possibly feel comfortable with her immigration and foreign policy ideas?
And lets not do a trump comparison. Lets focus on Hillary as our president.
She advocated more intervention in Syria, but O decided against it. That might have worked better than what we have, though it didn't work well in Libya and didn't, until the surge, work well in Iraq.
Frankly it depends on what you prefer, though people are afraid to say it -- neither path assures success; in fact, both paths will have lots of failure. I happen to think that you can make a humanitarian and long-term difference by applying military and diplomatic pressure. She seems to be on that side of the ledger.
It's a gamble. But I'm not for just letting dictatorships fester, as T has more or less said. It has a very bad cyclical effect that feeds radical groups, and the whole equation spells misery. Russia is there to ensure tyranny, which is all Assad represents.
I'm not sure how immigration comes into play on foreign policy.
captvict wrote:I'm not buying the polls. Just about everything can be manipulated in this country especially when big money is involved. Hillary has some big butt donors that know they can work her to get their needs met and they want her in the White House. Trump on the other hand is the wildcard and they really don't know how he will play in the sandbox
captvict wrote:I'm not buying the polls. Just about everything can be manipulated in this country especially when big money is involved. Hillary has some big butt donors that know they can work her to get their needs met and they want her in the White House. Trump on the other hand is the wildcard and they really don't know how he will play in the sandbox