The Jabari Discussion Thread - Back 2/2

[coolhandluke121]

Arguing with you about Jabari is the biggest waste of time I can think of.

Because I've been so wrong to doubt him, right?

[Triple 7]

Arguing with you about Jabari is the biggest waste of time I can think of.

Because I've been so wrong to doubt him, right?

Nah, he's 300 lbs, right?

[engelmartin]

However bad Jabari is on defense there's no way he wouldn't be an upgrade to Teletovic on that end.

[coolhandluke121]

Arguing with you about Jabari is the biggest waste of time I can think of.

Because I've been so wrong to doubt him, right?

Nah, he's 300 lbs, right?

Total vindication for Jabari's supporters! Good thing we didn't trade him with some bad contracts for good role players and a top-3 pick!!

[Triple 7]

Because I've been so wrong to doubt him, right?

Nah, he's 300 lbs, right?

Total vindication for Jabari's supporters! Good thing we didn't trade him with some bad contracts for good role players and a top-3 pick!!

Strawmen-R-US

[Prez]

Kind of a weird time to be gloating about Jabari takes when you also said the defense would take off because Jabari was that bad. Didn't happen last season, and it was pushed to 'meh wait till next season, the long game will prove my point'. 29th defensively right now, better defensive personnel than ever before and worse defense than ever before.

[LUKE23]

Kind of a weird time to be gloating about Jabari takes when you also said the defense would take off because Jabari was that bad. Didn't happen last season, and it was pushed to 'meh wait till next season, the long game will prove my point'. 29th defensively right now, better defensive personnel than ever before and worse defense than ever before.

This is true.

[LogitechBucks]

This is our last chance and humbly suggest we trade him before he has no value left and we get stuck with a mammoth contract that cripples this franchise for years. Thanks for taking your time to read my post.

Really good post and thanks for a good overview of the Jabari era, which I hope will come to a merciful end soon. The most important part of this post is just that they would be fools to pay him a lot. It's much too risky. They're better off saving that salary slot to add an MLE player every year. As long as they don't go into the lux tax, they can use the full MLE, and as long as they have Giannis, some of the best MLE players will at least consider Milwaukee.

I agree that it's a little unfair to imply that his letter affected the Toronto series. I do have issues with the letter but that's not one of them. It's correct to point out why the letter was kind of inappropriate, but I doubt it affected the Bucks. It did leave me wondering about his agent's role, and I was really disappointed with the way he acted like he's still so important to the team and a leader. Did it not register at all that they were arguably better without him? Is it too much to ask for him to at least ONCE acknowledge that he needs to improve on defense? He did interject himself unnecessarily. I wish we had a more detailed account of what happened in that team meeting where all the vets shot him down for speaking up, but there's evidence (albeit circumstantial) of a MAJOR disconnect between what Jabari's actually place is on the team and what he thinks it is. Asking for a max deal in his situation doesn't help. He won't improve on defense if he's so delusional about his impact that he doesn't think he needs to. Just because he has a more likable persona than Big Dog doesn't mean he's any better on the court.

Where were you during all those debates? We could have used you. I had forgotten all about the Lillard debates very early on. Wow. What a miserable thing to think about at this hour. Other trade debates you forgot to mention include Porter/Gortat, Hood/Exum, Hood/Favors, the 2017 or 2018 BK pick, the Jaylen Brown pick, Jokic, Conley, and Cousins. They were almost all hated here, and there was a poll where something like 80% of people said they wouldn't trade Jabari unless they got a top 10-15 player in return. It was a really bad time to be here if you didn't have a thick pair of homer glasses to wear at all times.

I actually don't think it is unfair to say he had some part in the fiasco that took place in the Toronto series. That long self-promoting letter became a real distraction. It was all over the local and national media. Even during the National TV broadcasts the commentators were saying how much better the Bucks would be doing if Parker was there. If I was on the team and hustled my butt off only to take a backseat to a Diva, it could very well affect my focus and hustle. Then when we lost the series, everyone was saying if only Jabari was playing we would have won. This, after he had nothing to do with why the team was in the playoffs in the first place.

I would have no problem if he tweeted and one or two sentence post encouraging his teammates, but instead he wrote life story and became the story. This selfish act took away from how amazing and hard the Bucks played to earn a playoff spot. I do believe it was a distraction and did cause a lack of focus and hustle. After this letter the Bucks looked like a completely different team. You can't tell me players were not talking about it among themselves.

[SupremeHustle]

This is our last chance and humbly suggest we trade him before he has no value left and we get stuck with a mammoth contract that cripples this franchise for years. Thanks for taking your time to read my post.

Really good post and thanks for a good overview of the Jabari era, which I hope will come to a merciful end soon. The most important part of this post is just that they would be fools to pay him a lot. It's much too risky. They're better off saving that salary slot to add an MLE player every year. As long as they don't go into the lux tax, they can use the full MLE, and as long as they have Giannis, some of the best MLE players will at least consider Milwaukee.

I agree that it's a little unfair to imply that his letter affected the Toronto series. I do have issues with the letter but that's not one of them. It's correct to point out why the letter was kind of inappropriate, but I doubt it affected the Bucks. It did leave me wondering about his agent's role, and I was really disappointed with the way he acted like he's still so important to the team and a leader. Did it not register at all that they were arguably better without him? Is it too much to ask for him to at least ONCE acknowledge that he needs to improve on defense? He did interject himself unnecessarily. I wish we had a more detailed account of what happened in that team meeting where all the vets shot him down for speaking up, but there's evidence (albeit circumstantial) of a MAJOR disconnect between what Jabari's actually place is on the team and what he thinks it is. Asking for a max deal in his situation doesn't help. He won't improve on defense if he's so delusional about his impact that he doesn't think he needs to. Just because he has a more likable persona than Big Dog doesn't mean he's any better on the court.

Where were you during all those debates? We could have used you. I had forgotten all about the Lillard debates very early on. Wow. What a miserable thing to think about at this hour. Other trade debates you forgot to mention include Porter/Gortat, Hood/Exum, Hood/Favors, the 2017 or 2018 BK pick, the Jaylen Brown pick, Jokic, Conley, and Cousins. They were almost all hated here, and there was a poll where something like 80% of people said they wouldn't trade Jabari unless they got a top 10-15 player in return. It was a really bad time to be here if you didn't have a thick pair of homer glasses to wear at all times.

I actually don't think it is unfair to say he had some part in the fiasco that took place in the Toronto series. That long self-promoting letter became a real distraction. It was all over the local and national media. Even during the National TV broadcasts the commentators were saying how much better the Bucks would be doing if Parker was there. If I was on the team and hustled my butt off only to take a backseat to a Diva, it could very well affect my focus and hustle. Then when we lost the series, everyone was saying if only Jabari was playing we would have won. This, after he had nothing to do with why the team was in the playoffs in the first place.

I would have no problem if he tweeted and one or two sentence post encouraging his teammates, but instead he wrote life story and became the story. This selfish act took away from how amazing and hard the Bucks played to earn a playoff spot. I do believe it was a distraction and did cause a lack of focus and hustle. After this letter the Bucks looked like a completely different team. You can't tell me players were not talking about it among themselves.

tl:dr Bucks blew a 2-1 lead because Jabari wrote a letter.

[Ron Swanson]

I actually don't think it is unfair to say he had some part in the fiasco that took place in the Toronto series. That long self-promoting letter became a real distraction. It was all over the local and national media. Even during the National TV broadcasts the commentators were saying how much better the Bucks would be doing if Parker was there. If I was on the team and hustled my butt off only to take a backseat to a Diva, it could very well affect my focus and hustle. Then when we lost the series, everyone was saying if only Jabari was playing we would have won. This, after he had nothing to do with why the team was in the playoffs in the first place.

I would have no problem if he tweeted and one or two sentence post encouraging his teammates, but instead he wrote life story and became the story. This selfish act took away from how amazing and hard the Bucks played to earn a playoff spot. I do believe it was a distraction and did cause a lack of focus and hustle. After this letter the Bucks looked like a completely different team. You can't tell me players were not talking about it among themselves.

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[DingleJerry]

Yea no way i'd say the letter had anything to do with it. If anything it was a vote of confidence and encouragement in his team/friends. Anyone taking that narrative is grasping at straws and watches way too much Stephen A and Skip talking head BS on espn.

[skones]

Kind of a weird time to be gloating about Jabari takes when you also said the defense would take off because Jabari was that bad. Didn't happen last season, and it was pushed to 'meh wait till next season, the long game will prove my point'. 29th defensively right now, better defensive personnel than ever before and worse defense than ever before.

This is true.

Or when Beasley and Teletovic would give us every bit as much as Jabari?

[coolhandluke121]

Kind of a weird time to be gloating about Jabari takes when you also said the defense would take off because Jabari was that bad. Didn't happen last season, and it was pushed to 'meh wait till next season, the long game will prove my point'. 29th defensively right now, better defensive personnel than ever before and worse defense than ever before.

That's me being wrong about guys like Khris (terrible conditioning) , Brogdon (can't guard the point of attack to save his life), Delly (somehow even slower than he was with Cleveland if that's humanly possibly), and Thon (even more spazzy and lost than last year) than it is about Jabari. I'll be the first to admit I seem to have given some other guys too much credit.

[H2tObes]

Please ban CHL from this thread

[Prez]

Yeah, figured that'd be the response. You'll relentlessly rip on Jabari at every opportunity and make these strong claims but when the actual results disagree with you, you'll change the arguments and come up with any excuse possible to avoid accepting it. You're 100% right about all things Jabari (excluding all the times you're not right).

Just like last season when you would regularly take shots at Jabari when we had remotely decent defensive showings post-Jabari injury, talking up a FTD 2.0 run. But when the team cooled off and it was shown to you that the DRTG was actually slightly worse post-Jabari injury, you tried to downplay it by acting like Middleton was hobbled all season when you were just a month prior to that talking about how "Middleton is that good, Jabari is that bad".

[yannisk]

Jabari took much blame about the defensive performance of the team. It is true we continue to be bad defensively without Jabari, which means that the main reason for the problem is the defensive scheme, that does not mean Jabari is not a bad defender. He is a very bad defender

[Triple 7]

Please ban CHL from this thread

While we may not agree with his point of view, it's important to have dissenting opinions around so this forum doesn't become more of an echo chamber than it already is.

[hege53190]

Yea no way i'd say the letter had anything to do with it. If anything it was a vote of confidence and encouragement in his team/friends. Anyone taking that narrative is grasping at straws and watches way too much Stephen A and Skip talking head BS on espn.

Why write the letter at that particular time? I just don't get it. It was just a pathetic attempt to stay relevant. They were coming off the best basketball game of the year. There was absolutely no reason for the public encouragement. Whatever I call it a d-bag move.

[DingleJerry]

Yea no way i'd say the letter had anything to do with it. If anything it was a vote of confidence and encouragement in his team/friends. Anyone taking that narrative is grasping at straws and watches way too much Stephen A and Skip talking head BS on espn.

Why write the letter at that particular time? I just don't get it. It was just a pathetic attempt to stay relevant. They were coming off the best basketball game of the year. There was absolutely no reason for the public encouragement. Whatever I call it a d-bag move.

That's a fair thing to say. Not one i'd agree with, but at least logical to use that as a sign he's full of himself a bit. But it's not logical to say that had any effect on the games themselves.

[H2tObes]

Please ban CHL from this thread

While we may not agree with his point of view, it's important to have dissenting opinions around so this forum doesn't become more of an echo chamber than it already is.

We can't ban people from particular threads anyway, but if you read through the entire thread it's probably just a bunch of CHL telling people how right he was. I was being tongue in cheek but I'm sure some can relate