Political Roundtable Part XVIII

[stilldropin20]

DJIA is down 300+ points right now. Thanks Trump!

down 450 now. all the way to 23,400!!!!! called it biotches!!!!!

words can not express the levels of schadenfreude I'm experienceing right now as all of my liberal friends who have been ripping on Trump for over 15 straight months enjoyed their 401K's skyrocketting...are now giving back all those gains!!!

so happy i jumped out at 26K. wow!!!!!!! I pulled my girlfriends mom out as well. and my families holdings. Wow!!!! I'm walking on water right now. I wanna scream!!!!...not jumping back until we hit 22.7-22.5. Called it biotches!!!! and i never get this shxt riht!!! never!!!! ahhh this time feel so right. so just. I deserved this moment!!! watching the damn news 15 hours per day for 2 straight years paid off!!!!!!! phuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk yyyyeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dont be mad, be happy for me mofos!!!! And i reported it all here ahead of time!! so once again, you could have just listened to the smartest guy in the room dont blame me cuz you're a knucklehead jokes jokes! I kid. i kid. because i love....i mean...i love. to kid. ghet eet??? no, ju dont ghet it. Ghat it??!!

[stilldropin20]

dow quickly climbing. looks like everyone else is jumping back in right after i posted that. hit 23.7 shortly. i'm waiting until 22.7..hopefully we have another massive crash day. early next week.

[cammac]

DJIA is down 300+ points right now. Thanks Trump!

down 450 now. all the way to 23,400!!!!! called it biotches!!!!!

words can not express the levels of schadenfreude I'm experienceing right now as all of my liberal friends who have been ripping on Trump for over 15 straight months enjoyed their 401K's skyrocketting...are now giving back all those gains!!!

so happy i jumped out at 26K. wow!!!!!!! I pulled my girlfriends mom out as well. and my families holdings. Wow!!!! I'm walking on water right now. I wanna scream!!!!...not jumping back until we hit 22.7-22.5. Called it biotches!!!! and i never get this shxt riht!!! never!!!! ahhh this time feel so right. so just. I deserved this moment!!! watching the damn news 15 hours per day for 2 straight years paid off!!!!!!! phuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk yyyyeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dont be mad, be happy for me mofos!!!! And i reported it all here ahead of time!! so once again, you could have just listened to the smartest guy in the room dont blame me cuz you're a knucklehead jokes jokes! I kid. i kid. because i love....i mean...i love. to kid. ghet eet??? no, ju dont ghet it. Ghat it??!!

BS doesn't baffle brains!!!!

[montestewart]

this is all party of the deep state fbi picking with trump. They are holding up security clearances. For example I want tell the t s s i s c i security clearance that's the same clearance George Bush and Bill Clinton had. I'm on mom was a crackhead. How the phuck can Jared Kushner not get a security clearance??

Using Google translate, I took the above and:
went from English to Latvian and back to English,
then from English to Haitian Creole and back to English,
then from English to Maori and back to English,
then from English to Swahili and back to English,
then from English to Urdu and back to English,
then from English to Esperanto and back to English,

and finally, it makes sense:

Half of the valley ate some food. They report security. For example, I say that I live as George Bush and Bill Clinton. How did George Kocherer see my security flag?

Why didn't you just say that in the first place?

[dckingsfan]

Now that we've gotten rid of the idiot corporate income tax (or reduced it significantly anyway) let's replace that lost revenue with a VAT and a one-time lump sum tax on anyone earning more than a million. $250k each. That's about 400,000 people, would net us a clean $100 billion. Huh, that's not much is it - our current deficit is going to be more than a trillion.

If that's not enough, do another one time lump sum wealth tax on billionaires (those whose net worth is more than a billion, not income). There are about 500 of them in the United States (according to this article: https://www.forbes.com/sites/katiesola/2016/03/05/here-are-the-states-with-the-most-billionaires/#30400f47101e) so if we ask them to contribute $200 million each that's another $100 billion off the debt. Huh, still peanuts.

Well, the net worth of those billionaires is $2.4 trillion, so if we ask them to make a one time lump sum contribution of 20% of their net worth, that's $480 billion. That's still only one fortieth of our current debt but it's something.

It's interesting when you do these exercises, you realize just how absurdly out of control the debt has become and how extraordinarily reckless the Republican tax cut was. What were they thinking?

dckingfan & I agree the whole American public needs a reality check!
There isn't a free lunch and you better get used to it or crippling debt keeps building up.
Tax cuts are nice but if you don't have revenue to replace it's futile escalating costs must be reined in.
Plus cost drivers need to be eliminated or substantially decreased!
The world has had the luxury of low interest rates and the national debt hasn't risen as fast as it could when treasury bills have to start paying 5% plus the debt escalates much more dramatically. The Republicans are incapable of doing this because they do lack conscience and don't care about human consequences. The Democrats could start the process with what is termed a far left approach starting with healthcare. The reality it isn't a far left approach rather than a moderate one. Rein in the cost drivers and set up a single payer system lots of good models out there. Shake the Generals heads and set a reasonable budget for defense and co-operate with allies in a co-ordination of a rational world defense policy.Make social security actuarial sound yes more money out of peoples pockets initially. Get illegal immigrants out of the shadows and paying taxes and have a rational and robust immigration policy. Likely a VAT tax is needed and close the corporate loopholes and have a minimum corporate tax of 10%. Have a infrastructure which produces real jobs and help fund it with gasoline taxes and sin taxes. Modernize the government make it efficient and responsive.

Reality it can be done Canada did it and we live in igloos!!!!

We can look at all the other issues facing the country - but this is really THE issue.

[stilldropin20]

Now that we've gotten rid of the idiot corporate income tax (or reduced it significantly anyway) let's replace that lost revenue with a VAT and a one-time lump sum tax on anyone earning more than a million. $250k each. That's about 400,000 people, would net us a clean $100 billion. Huh, that's not much is it - our current deficit is going to be more than a trillion.

If that's not enough, do another one time lump sum wealth tax on billionaires (those whose net worth is more than a billion, not income). There are about 500 of them in the United States (according to this article: https://www.forbes.com/sites/katiesola/2016/03/05/here-are-the-states-with-the-most-billionaires/#30400f47101e) so if we ask them to contribute $200 million each that's another $100 billion off the debt. Huh, still peanuts.

Well, the net worth of those billionaires is $2.4 trillion, so if we ask them to make a one time lump sum contribution of 20% of their net worth, that's $480 billion. That's still only one fortieth of our current debt but it's something.

It's interesting when you do these exercises, you realize just how absurdly out of control the debt has become and how extraordinarily reckless the Republican tax cut was. What were they thinking?

dckingfan & I agree the whole American public needs a reality check!
There isn't a free lunch and you better get used to it or crippling debt keeps building up.
Tax cuts are nice but if you don't have revenue to replace it's futile escalating costs must be reined in.
Plus cost drivers need to be eliminated or substantially decreased!
The world has had the luxury of low interest rates and the national debt hasn't risen as fast as it could when treasury bills have to start paying 5% plus the debt escalates much more dramatically. The Republicans are incapable of doing this because they do lack conscience and don't care about human consequences. The Democrats could start the process with what is termed a far left approach starting with healthcare. The reality it isn't a far left approach rather than a moderate one. Rein in the cost drivers and set up a single payer system lots of good models out there. Shake the Generals heads and set a reasonable budget for defense and co-operate with allies in a co-ordination of a rational world defense policy.Make social security actuarial sound yes more money out of peoples pockets initially. Get illegal immigrants out of the shadows and paying taxes and have a rational and robust immigration policy. Likely a VAT tax is needed and close the corporate loopholes and have a minimum corporate tax of 10%. Have a infrastructure which produces real jobs and help fund it with gasoline taxes and sin taxes. Modernize the government make it efficient and responsive.

Reality it can be done Canada did it and we live in igloos!!!!

We can look at all the other issues facing the country - but this is really THE issue.

so we finally have 4 of us that agree?? the debt crisis is the issue. The only issue that matters at this point. We must address this!!!!!??? Right?? first and foremost? This is our rate determining step?

I propose that All domestic and foreign policy should be solely dictated and driven almost solely by addressing the debt crisis. We must pay this down.

And here's the rub!!! we can!! We can simply pay this down by issuing Notes instead of bonds. Notes are legal tender (such as greenbacks that lincold used and kennedy reissued(both assassinated) But we can issue Notes via executive order. and pay off the entire debt with interest free notes instead of bonds!!! Why are we paying 5% to the central bankers!!!!????

Wake the fuq up!!!! This issue and this issue alone is why I joined this damn discussion...are we finally ready to talk like adults and deal with this???? because like micheal jackson once said, "This is it!!"

Watch on YouTube

now who is ready to learn something today!!!??? who?? will learn something??? who is ready??? which one of you will become my padawon understudy??? watch this!! dont be lazy!! watch it this time!! the whole damn thing!!

Watch on YouTube

[cammac]

dckingfan & I agree the whole American public needs a reality check!
There isn't a free lunch and you better get used to it or crippling debt keeps building up.
Tax cuts are nice but if you don't have revenue to replace it's futile escalating costs must be reined in.
Plus cost drivers need to be eliminated or substantially decreased!
The world has had the luxury of low interest rates and the national debt hasn't risen as fast as it could when treasury bills have to start paying 5% plus the debt escalates much more dramatically. The Republicans are incapable of doing this because they do lack conscience and don't care about human consequences. The Democrats could start the process with what is termed a far left approach starting with healthcare. The reality it isn't a far left approach rather than a moderate one. Rein in the cost drivers and set up a single payer system lots of good models out there. Shake the Generals heads and set a reasonable budget for defense and co-operate with allies in a co-ordination of a rational world defense policy.Make social security actuarial sound yes more money out of peoples pockets initially. Get illegal immigrants out of the shadows and paying taxes and have a rational and robust immigration policy. Likely a VAT tax is needed and close the corporate loopholes and have a minimum corporate tax of 10%. Have a infrastructure which produces real jobs and help fund it with gasoline taxes and sin taxes. Modernize the government make it efficient and responsive.

Reality it can be done Canada did it and we live in igloos!!!!

We can look at all the other issues facing the country - but this is really THE issue.

so we finally have 4 of us that agree?? the debt crisis is the issue. The only issue that matters at this point. We must address this!!!!!??? Right?? first and foremost? This is our rate determining step?

I propose that All domestic and foreign policy should be solely dictated and driven almost solely by addressing the debt crisis. We must pay this down.

And here's the rub!!! we can!! We can simply pay this down by issuing Notes instead of bonds. Notes are legal tender (such as greenbacks that lincold used and kennedy reissued(both assassinated) But we can issue Notes via executive order. and pay off the entire debt with interest free notes instead of bonds!!! Why are we paying 5% to the central bankers!!!!????

Wake the fuq up!!!! This issue and this issue alone is why I joined this damn discussion...are we finally ready to talk like adults and deal with this???? because like micheal jackson once said, "This is it!!"

Watch on YouTube

now who is ready to learn something today!!!??? who?? will learn something??? who is ready??? which one of you will become my padawon understudy??? watch this!! dont be lazy!! watch it this time!! the whole damn thing!!

Watch on YouTube

We agree on nothing you are irrational and conspiracy oriented and without any redeeming social conscious.
Both dckingfan and myself have been saying this for sometime while you have been in the land of fantasy and delusion.

[FAH1223]

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[stilldropin20]

We can look at all the other issues facing the country - but this is really THE issue.

so we finally have 4 of us that agree?? the debt crisis is the issue. The only issue that matters at this point. We must address this!!!!!??? Right?? first and foremost? This is our rate determining step?

I propose that All domestic and foreign policy should be solely dictated and driven almost solely by addressing the debt crisis. We must pay this down.

And here's the rub!!! we can!! We can simply pay this down by issuing Notes instead of bonds. Notes are legal tender (such as greenbacks that lincold used and kennedy reissued(both assassinated) But we can issue Notes via executive order. and pay off the entire debt with interest free notes instead of bonds!!! Why are we paying 5% to the central bankers!!!!????

Wake the fuq up!!!! This issue and this issue alone is why I joined this damn discussion...are we finally ready to talk like adults and deal with this???? because like micheal jackson once said, "This is it!!"

Watch on YouTube

now who is ready to learn something today!!!??? who?? will learn something??? who is ready??? which one of you will become my padawon understudy??? watch this!! dont be lazy!! watch it this time!! the whole damn thing!!

Watch on YouTube

We agree on nothing you are irrational and conspiracy oriented and without any redeeming social conscious.
Both dckingfan and myself have been saying this for sometime while you have been in the land of fantasy and delusion.

that weird because i agree with most if not all of the fiscal stuff in Zonkers quoted post and I consistently agree with DCkings on almost all of his fiscal postings. and I am strictly speaking in fiscal terms right now.

and if you agree with those fiscal things as well then maybe we have an actual basis for fiscal agreement. because isn't everything else just window dressing? doesn't the meat and potatoes always come down to money?

[closg00]

I've asked this question a few times but have yet to get an answer: Where is this overwhelming evidence that the DOJ lied to a judge in order get a FISA warrant on Carter Page?

Oops, you just pulled a Jenga piece that collapsed the entire narrative

[cammac]

so we finally have 4 of us that agree?? the debt crisis is the issue. The only issue that matters at this point. We must address this!!!!!??? Right?? first and foremost? This is our rate determining step?

I propose that All domestic and foreign policy should be solely dictated and driven almost solely by addressing the debt crisis. We must pay this down.

And here's the rub!!! we can!! We can simply pay this down by issuing Notes instead of bonds. Notes are legal tender (such as greenbacks that lincold used and kennedy reissued(both assassinated) But we can issue Notes via executive order. and pay off the entire debt with interest free notes instead of bonds!!! Why are we paying 5% to the central bankers!!!!????

Wake the fuq up!!!! This issue and this issue alone is why I joined this damn discussion...are we finally ready to talk like adults and deal with this???? because like micheal jackson once said, "This is it!!"

Watch on YouTube

now who is ready to learn something today!!!??? who?? will learn something??? who is ready??? which one of you will become my padawon understudy??? watch this!! dont be lazy!! watch it this time!! the whole damn thing!!

Watch on YouTube

We agree on nothing you are irrational and conspiracy oriented and without any redeeming social conscious.
Both dckingfan and myself have been saying this for sometime while you have been in the land of fantasy and delusion.

that weird because i agree with most if not all of the fiscal stuff in Zonkers quoted post and I consistently agree with DCkings on almost all of his fiscal postings. and I am strictly speaking in fiscal terms right now.

and if you agree with those fiscal things as well then maybe we have an actual basis for fiscal agreement. because isn't everything else just window dressing? doesn't the meat and potatoes always come down to money?

I can only speak for myself PLEASE DO NOT ASSOCIATE ME WITH ANYTHING YOU SAY!!!!!!!

[stilldropin20]

We agree on nothing you are irrational and conspiracy oriented and without any redeeming social conscious.
Both dckingfan and myself have been saying this for sometime while you have been in the land of fantasy and delusion.

that weird because i agree with most if not all of the fiscal stuff in Zonkers quoted post and I consistently agree with DCkings on almost all of his fiscal postings. and I am strictly speaking in fiscal terms right now.

and if you agree with those fiscal things as well then maybe we have an actual basis for fiscal agreement. because isn't everything else just window dressing? doesn't the meat and potatoes always come down to money?

I can only speak for myself PLEASE DO NOT ASSOCIATE ME WITH ANYTHING YOU SAY!!!!!!!

yeah we wouldn't want any of the 12 people reading this forum to get us confused. got it.

[gtn130]

I've asked this question a few times but have yet to get an answer: Where is this overwhelming evidence that the DOJ lied to a judge in order get a FISA warrant on Carter Page?

Oops, you just pulled a Jenga piece that collapsed the entire narrative

Nah, stalwart FISA hawks such as Nate and SD20 have a bevy of secret intel shared only in the derposphere.

[Zonkerbl]

You anti-semitic lunatic, you leave me out of your delusions. Jesus H. Christ.

[TGW]

DJIA is down 300+ points right now. Thanks Trump!

down 450 now. all the way to 23,400!!!!! called it biotches!!!!!

words can not express the levels of schadenfreude I'm experienceing right now as all of my liberal friends who have been ripping on Trump for over 15 straight months enjoyed their 401K's skyrocketting...are now giving back all those gains!!!

so happy i jumped out at 26K. wow!!!!!!! I pulled my girlfriends mom out as well. and my families holdings. Wow!!!! I'm walking on water right now. I wanna scream!!!!...not jumping back until we hit 22.7-22.5. Called it biotches!!!! and i never get this shxt riht!!! never!!!! ahhh this time feel so right. so just. I deserved this moment!!! watching the damn news 15 hours per day for 2 straight years paid off!!!!!!! phuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk yyyyeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dont be mad, be happy for me mofos!!!! And i reported it all here ahead of time!! so once again, you could have just listened to the smartest guy in the room dont blame me cuz you're a knucklehead jokes jokes! I kid. i kid. because i love....i mean...i love. to kid. ghet eet??? no, ju dont ghet it. Ghat it??!!

BS doesn't baffle brains!!!!

stilladumbass is just mad because he, like most trumptards, put his faith in the stock market because he suffers from a severe case of apotheosis.

he knows damn well he lost money. he was sucking wall street balls just a few weeks ago.

OTOH, a guy on these boards called the crash...like, for real. I won't name names, but this guy was pretty spot on:

TGW wrote:
LOL at the stock market being an economic indicator of anything other than the top 1% getting richer. It cracks me up that anyone making less than $5MM a year can brag about the stock market, like that has any reflection on how regular Americans are doing.

And this current economic climate reminds me of the movie "The Big Short." A great movie if you want to see how the mortgage industry crashed the economy, and how one smart dude made a ton of money off the morons who were bragging that the real estate market was crash-proof. Someone should show that movie to the president, but unfortunately I think even the movie's dumbed-down explanations of mortgage-backed securities and CDOs would go over his pea-brained head.

Anyway, I'm going to invest in credit default swaps much like Christian Bale's character, and bet against this boom-bust mortgage industry. It's coming...all the symptoms are there. 30% of the market still consists of upside-down loans from before 2009, sub-prime loans have made a big comeback, and the idiot in the WH is deregulating the market. And just like during Bush's second term, you have idiots bragging about the strength of the economy. It's going to be a bloodbath again...it's just a matter of what side you're on this time.

[Zonkerbl]

According to this article we could raise revenue by about $356 billion with a 5% VAT:

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/what-would-rate-be-under-vat

[dckingsfan]

so we finally have 4 of us that agree?? the debt crisis is the issue. The only issue that matters at this point. We must address this!!!!!??? Right?? first and foremost? This is our rate determining step?
I propose that All domestic and foreign policy should be solely dictated and driven almost solely by addressing the debt crisis. We must pay this down.

No, we just need to make sure that our revenues stay between 18&20% of GDP and that our outlays do the same...

We can do that by attacking the cost drivers in the various programs... and by killing all the carveouts in our tax policy.

[dckingsfan]

According to this article we could raise revenue by about $356 billion with a 5% VAT:

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/what-would-rate-be-under-vat

And like you say - that still wouldn't do it.

We could get rid of DOE, HUD, EPA, & Labor - after all, they are discretionary spending. And yet, that wouldn't do it either.

[Zonkerbl]

I've asked this question a few times but have yet to get an answer: Where is this overwhelming evidence that the DOJ lied to a judge in order get a FISA warrant on Carter Page?

Oops, you just pulled a Jenga piece that collapsed the entire narrative

According to the memo, the FBI left out of the FISA application a known fact that the dossier, which was a piece of the entirety of evidence presented for the first warrant, was at one point funded by the Democratic national committee. Nevermind that that piece of information was in fact cited in a footnote that the Derpublicans somehow managed to overlook. So yeah, the entire memo is a rather scratchy piece of toilet paper. Leaving this bit of information out is grounds for throwing out the entire investigation, due to LACK OF PROBABLE CAUSE, even though the investigation started earlier because of Papadoppalooza's spouting off. OMG THEY COLLECTED CLASSIFIED INFORMATION FROM A TARGET WITH ONE PIECE OF THE CASE CITING A DOSSIER THAT WAS FUNDED BY DEMOCRATS AND WE ALL KNOW DEMOCRATS ARE ILLEGAL!!1!!!! Almost even worse than what Hillary did! OMG these FBI fascists are so careless with classified information! We should have them all thrown in jail! Because mishandling classified information is the WORST POSSIBLE THING YOU CAN DO! It's WORSE THAN KILLING PUPPIES to be absolutely less than perfect in handling classified information. OMG YOU GUYS THE RUSSIANS HACKED HILLARY BECAUSE OF HOW CARELESS SHE WAS WITH CLASSIFIED INFORMATION! CLAAAAAAASSIFIED INFORMATION!!!! EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEMAILS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THE ONLY THING POSSIBLY WORSE THAN HILLARY'S MISHANDLING OF INFORMATION WOULD BE TO, OH, I DON'T KNOW, GIVE ALL THE CLASSIFIED INFO THAT THE PRESIDENT GETS TO A GUY WHO ONLY HAS A PROVISIONAL CLEARANCE AND HAS BEEN FLAGGED BY THE FBI AS VULNERABLE TO BLACKMAIL. I BET THE DEMS HAVE DONE THAT TOO!

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/08/john-kelly-rob-porter-security-clearance-400987

Oh, it was the Republicans? Oh, they do that all the time, like with Kushner, and oh all those other guys they let keep working on the NSA after the FBI told them they were compromised by the Russians?

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE EEEEEEEEMAAAAAAAAAILLLLLLS??????!?!?!??!??!1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111

[Zonkerbl]

According to this article we could raise revenue by about $356 billion with a 5% VAT:

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/what-would-rate-be-under-vat

And like you say - that still wouldn't do it.

We could get rid of DOE, HUD, EPA, & Labor - after all, they are discretionary spending. And yet, that wouldn't do it either.

Well, except all the other things I mentioned were one time lump sum taxes, while a VAT that increases revenues by $356 billion a year for ten years is nothing to sneeze at. Three and a half trillion right there.

I agree with the Republicans that marginal tax rates that you impose on the rich have consequences for growth, but the rich must also realize that it would be bad for their business for the United States to go belly up, and they benefit tremendously from the services the US provides - rule of law (nobody even dreams of nationalizing anything in the US), a court system that favors the wealthy (let's face it), the strongest, most stable currency in the world, and a huge honking military complex that is a constant stream of cash. It's only fair for the wealthy to chip in to keep the whole thing solvent, so it would totally make sense for them all to pool their $3.5 trillion of assets together to fund a half trillion reduction in the debt.