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Re: Packers 2020 Offseason Thread - Pack sign WR Funchess (pg. 25) 

Post#621 » by Treebeard » Thu Apr 2, 2020 2:49 pm

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Frank Nova wrote:Mark Murphy is more than likely the nagging problem with the organization that’s cost us a huge chunk of Rodgers prime with minimal success. Unless you’re a clown like Murphy and you value NFC North championships and simply making the playoffs as “successful” seasons. Murphy has proven over and over again to be a dog **** decision maker. Letting TT, DC and MM continue to sleep walk through the seasons because of 2010 for nearly a full decade before any drastic changes were made was flat out pathetic and maddening. Even basically allowed them to gracefully bow out of the organization when any strong and smart team president/owner would’ve canned them years prior.

When MM DC and TT constantly trotted out 7th round draft picks as starters, we were becoming distinctly known as a franchise as an UDRFA HAVEN, we had no depth on the roster past marginal starters at most
positions, we rode the coattails of a hall of fame QB all the while penny pinching during FA and sticking to some bull TT draft philosophy that stopped working in a crash and burn sort of way. Even to the point we had to miss the playoffs back to back years some 8 years or so AFTER our Super Bowl run before any type of change was made. It was Murphy and Mark Murphy only that allowed that to continue for as long as it did.

And Murphy allowing Pettine to stay after 2 bogus years is just the start of his process. It’s either gonna take 2-4 more failing seasons or something drastic from MLF to get Pettine out the door if we continue to allow an ass clown to make those decisions.

We started a Fire Kidd thing because he was the worst. It’s WAYYYYYYY past due for a “Step Down Murphy” thing to get him TF out of town finally.

Just my thoughts on our fearless leader. Saw his name brought up, he honestly disgusts me and it’s easier to just pretend like he doesn’t exist anymore.


Murphy seems to have done well with oversight on the marketing side of the franchise: stadium remodel, atrium, packer HOF, etc. When he's crossed over into football operations, then it's been a much rockier path.


It’s fair to bring up the positives Murphy has done as team
President, I’ll bite. But it’s also unfair to the fan base to continue to run the team into the ground. The business aspect of the team is obviously a huge part of running the franchise but if your mind is clearly only functional in that 1 aspect, then it’s time to step down. I mean TT did the same thing, he loves the draft and didn’t want the GM responsibilities anymore... he stepped down and became a scout consultant or whatever. Murphy needs to do the same thing if that’s what he cares about is making sure the team and city make money and hold legacy appearance. Let a better decision maker run the team and Murphy can create his own position as PR Director or some bull like that. I’d say that’s a win win for everyone?


Murphy is 65 this year. I wonder how long he plans to continue as President - as the boards not likely to make changes. I also think he gets some support from Goodell and the other owners. Murphy's in the unique situation in that he's the top of the executive food chain, but not an owner - no one else has that claim. He can say things the others can't, with limited impact, and I think Goodell has used him as a mouthpeice from time-to-time and then disavows the things Murphy's said.


I agree with your assessment of Murphy's very mixed record on football ops decisions. But, I'm also thinking we're stuck with him for the next few years, unless the team has a couple of years of catastrophic poor performance. Then everyone goes.

*edit* It's perhaps an unfair comparison, but Murphy has some of the Herb Kohl mojo. An affable guy who has done some important and good works, but meddles in parts of the operation that are best left to others with more skill.
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Re: Packers 2020 Offseason Thread - Pack sign WR Funchess (pg. 25) 

Post#622 » by MickeyDavis » Thu Apr 2, 2020 4:18 pm

Harlan retired due to the Packers mandatory retirement age of 70. I don't know if that's still in place.
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Re: Packers 2020 Offseason Thread - Pack sign WR Funchess (pg. 25) 

Post#623 » by Treebeard » Fri Apr 3, 2020 1:15 pm

It's a moot point now as he's gone to the Giants, but in a way, we bitched about Martinez exceeding our original expectations. As a fourth-rounder (picked #131) coming in, he would have been expected to primarily be a sometime player, not the long-standing starter. We've all been disappointed in him for not becoming Luke Keuchly or Bobby Wagner, which is what the Pack needed.

Oh, it was time to move on, but put some perspective onto the limitations of talent on the roster over the last few years, and the defects in the defensive scheme. Martinez was never going to be the second coming of Ray Nitschke.
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Re: Packers 2020 Offseason Thread - Pack sign WR Funchess (pg. 25) 

Post#624 » by RRyder823 » Fri Apr 3, 2020 5:16 pm

Treebeard wrote:It's a moot point now as he's gone to the Giants, but in a way, we bitched about Martinez exceeding our original expectations. As a fourth-rounder (picked #131) coming in, he would have been expected to primarily be a sometime player, not the long-standing starter. We've all been disappointed in him for not becoming Luke Keuchly or Bobby Wagner, which is what the Pack needed.

Oh, it was time to move on, but put some perspective onto the limitations of talent on the roster over the last few years, and the defects in the defensive scheme. Martinez was never going to be the second coming of Ray Nitschke.
Not for nothing but a 4th rounder becoming a long time starter ISNT exceeding expectations. That's simply meeting them.

Very general expectations by round

Rounds 1-2: Some kind of immediate impact as a rookie. Hopefully an impact player by year two or 3

Rounds 3-5: Generally should only be counted on to be a depth piece as a rookie but at least by year 3 they've become an entrenched solid starter

Rounds 6-7: Lottery tickets. Best realistic expectation is a solid depth guy a few years in

Martinez being a long time starter wasnt exceeding expectations relative to his draft position. It was barely meeting them

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Re: Packers 2020 Offseason Thread - Pack sign WR Funchess (pg. 25) 

Post#625 » by Treebeard » Fri Apr 3, 2020 7:28 pm

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Treebeard wrote:It's a moot point now as he's gone to the Giants, but in a way, we bitched about Martinez exceeding our original expectations. As a fourth-rounder (picked #131) coming in, he would have been expected to primarily be a sometime player, not the long-standing starter. We've all been disappointed in him for not becoming Luke Keuchly or Bobby Wagner, which is what the Pack needed.

Oh, it was time to move on, but put some perspective onto the limitations of talent on the roster over the last few years, and the defects in the defensive scheme. Martinez was never going to be the second coming of Ray Nitschke.
Not for nothing but a 4th rounder becoming a long time starter ISNT exceeding expectations. That's simply meeting them.

Very general expectations by round

Rounds 1-2: Some kind of immediate impact as a rookie. Hopefully an impact player by year two or 3

Rounds 3-5: Generally should only be counted on to be a depth piece as a rookie but at least by year 3 they've become an entrenched solid starter

Rounds 6-7: Lottery tickets. Best realistic expectation is a solid depth guy a few years in

Martinez being a long time starter wasnt exceeding expectations relative to his draft position. It was barely meeting them

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I still think we're more put-out by what he'd couldn't achieve, than by what he did. By all accounts, the guy worked hard, and was as good as he's likely to be - we needed more. I don't see his performance changing much in New York, and if it improves, then it's more of a knock on how he was used here.

Well, like I noted earlier, it's moot, since he's gone.

By comparison, I'm betting that if Kirksey struggles, more blame falls on Gute than Kirksey.
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Re: Packers 2020 Offseason Thread - Pack sign WR Funchess (pg. 25) 

Post#626 » by MoMM » Sat Apr 4, 2020 9:13 am

Blake got a 10M contract and led the league in tackles over the last 3 season. He overachieved for a 4th round pick, IMO. We needed more, but he was a great value considering how late he was drafted. If you think, we have a lot of other guys drafted earlier than him that are out of the league or only depth player nowadays. Even our 12th pick from last year's draft is way worse player atm.
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Post#628 » by MoMM » Sun Apr 5, 2020 8:58 pm

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I'd like to see the numbers for the last 5 and 10 years.
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Post#629 » by WeekapaugGroove » Sun Apr 5, 2020 11:15 pm

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I'd like to see the numbers for the last 5 and 10 years.
It only takes a couple bad ones to derail the draft and develop train and the last couple by TT were that. Its also simply hard to sustain a good team picking late every year. Between a hard cap and the draft the league is litteraly designed to cycle out the good teams and raise up bad teams. The Patriots are a major exception and teams like the pack and Steelers have stayed competive but both saw some erosion.



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Re: Packers 2020 Offseason Thread - Pack sign WR Funchess (pg. 25) 

Post#630 » by MoMM » Mon Apr 6, 2020 4:22 pm

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I'd like to see the numbers for the last 5 and 10 years.
It only takes a couple bad ones to derail the draft and develop train and the last couple by TT were that. Its also simply hard to sustain a good team picking late every year. Between a hard cap and the draft the league is litteraly designed to cycle out the good teams and raise up bad teams. The Patriots are a major exception and teams like the pack and Steelers have stayed competive but both saw some erosion.



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Or maybe the fact that the Top 4 teams got franchise QBs with late 1st round picks (GB and Baltimore) or even lower rounds (Seattle and NE).

Once I read a similar article, but they weren't considering QBs because their value is too high when compared to other positions.
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Re: Packers 2020 Offseason Thread - Pack sign WR Funchess (pg. 25) 

Post#631 » by MickeyDavis » Wed Apr 15, 2020 5:44 pm

RIP Willie Davis. I met him a couple of times, one smart guy. MBA.

Born the son of sharecroppers, Willie Davis never took success for granted.

He attended a historically black college in the 1950s, far off the NFL’s radar. He was drafted in the 15th round by the Cleveland Browns. Then drafted into the U.S. Army at the onset of the Vietnam War. Then traded two seasons into his career.

“The road to success,” Davis once famously said, “runs uphill.”

No, Davis wasn’t a likely candidate to become the Hall of Fame anchor for Vince Lombardi’s defensive line. Here he was, given a fresh start at age 26, an outcast joining the Green Bay Packers in 1960.

Finally, that road reached its peak. Finally, Davis’ path started to trail downhill.

Davis, whose NFL career was surpassed only by his post-playing career, died Wednesday at age 85. He left behind a legacy of unquestioned success, a Packers legend who retired to become a millionaire business owner.

Davis’ parents escaped that sharecropper’s farm in Lisbon, La., to make a new life for their son. His father left the family when Davis was 8, but the family forged on. Blessed with size (6-foot-3, 243 pounds) and athleticism, the defensive end teammate and roommate Jerry Kramer nicknamed “Dr. Feelgood” became a stalwart for all five Packers world championships in the Glory Years of the 1960s.

Lombardi never had a doubt.

“I consider speed, agility and size to be the three most important attributes in a successful lineman,” Lombardi told Davis when he arrived in Green Bay, according to the Pro Football Hall of Fame. “Give me a man who has any two of those dimensions, and he’ll do OK. But give him all three, and he’ll be great. We think you have all three.”

Davis, playing at a time before sacks became an official stat, likely is the most accomplished pass rusher in Packers history.

Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila is the Packers’ official all-time sacks leader with 74.5 in nine seasons. Clay Matthews is second with 72.5 in eight seasons, Reggie White third with 68.5 in six seasons.

Davis would have lapped the field if pass-rush production was documented during his career. John Turney, a statistician for the Professional Football Researchers Association, projected Davis had more than 100 sacks in his 10 seasons with the Packers – and perhaps as many as 120.

Davis, whose 21 recovered fumbles remain the Packers’ career record, certainly thought of himself as the franchise’s ultimate sacks artist.

"I would think I would have to be the team's all-time leader in sacks,” Davis told Packers.com in 2004. “I played 10 years and I averaged in the 'teens' in sacks for those 10 years. I had 25 one season. (Paul) Hornung just reminded me of that the other day."

Even without his numbers recorded in history, Davis had Hall of Fame accomplishments. He was enshrined in Canton in 1981 after being selected to five all-NFL teams in his 10 seasons with the Packers. Davis was part of five straight Pro Bowl teams from 1963-67.

Davis received his MBA from the University of Chicago in 1968. After retiring following the 1969 season, Davis worked as a color commentator for NBC’s telecast of NFL games in the early 1970s.

The experience sparked an interest inside Davis. In 1976, Davis became owner of All-Pro Broadcasting Inc., which operated five radio stations in the Midwest and Southern California.

A combination of talent, intelligence and perseverance made Davis one of the most respected players inside the Packers’ locker room. In the middle of the civil-rights movements, Lombardi named Davis his team’s defensive captain.

It was a fitting conclusion to an unlikely path that led Davis to Green Bay. None of it would have been possible without that Browns trade.

“When I was at Cleveland,” Davis told The Big Lead in a 2013 interview, “pretty much everything you heard about Green Bay was a negative. Paul Brown even said, ‘If you don’t like it here, we can send you to the Siberia of football, Green Bay.’ That had been probably said, and in many ways adhered to, and players just didn’t want to go to Green Bay.

“Lo and behold, I go there, in 1960, and the next 10 years had been the greatest 10 years in my life. It’s just amazing. Green Bay, if it was Siberia, it went to whatever the top of that heap would be at the end. I say that, my experience at Green Bay, the fans there are the greatest football fans in this country.”

The Willie Davis File: Facts and figures
Born: July 24, 1934; Lisbon, La.

School: Grambling State.

Hall of Fame: Packers Hall of Fame, Class of 1975; Pro Football Hall of Fame, Class of 1981.

Packers playing career: Played 162 career games, including 138 consecutive; five Pro Bowls and five all-NFL teams; member of five Glory Years world championships; unofficially the Packers’ all-time sacks leader; team-record 21 fumbles recovered still stands; scored one touchdown in 1962; spent first two seasons with Cleveland Browns.

Post playing career: Business owner. Worked as NFL color commentator for NBC; All-Pro Broadcasting Inc. President and CEO; member or former member of the boards of Alliance Bank, Dow Chemical (1988-2006), Johnson Controls (1991-2006), K-Mart, L.A. Gear, Manpower, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, MGM Mirage, Rally’s Inc., Sara Lee, Schlitz Brewing, and WICOR Inc.

Quote: “The road to success runs uphill.” – Willie Davis
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Re: Packers 2020 Offseason Thread -RIP Willie Davis 

Post#632 » by Treebeard » Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:00 pm

Well, poop....

Willie Davis definitely deserves to be part of the Packers "Mt Rushmore". Add on-the-field intelligence to Lombardi's list of attributes for Davis. He was Reggie White-like, in that he not only could speed and power rush, but he also anticipated what was developing and be on the spot.
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Re: Packers 2020 Offseason Thread -RIP Willie Davis 

Post#633 » by humanrefutation » Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:37 pm

Dang, we lost Willie Davis and Willie Wood in the span of two months.
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Re: Packers 2020 Offseason Thread -RIP Willie Davis 

Post#634 » by MickeyDavis » Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:32 pm

OBJ to the VIkings rumor appears unfounded but OBJ is on the block. What would you give up for him if anything?
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Re: Packers 2020 Offseason Thread -RIP Willie Davis 

Post#635 » by M-C-G » Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:53 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:OBJ to the VIkings rumor appears unfounded but OBJ is on the block. What would you give up for him if anything?


Man, super talent, but not sure he'd mesh with Rodgers well. Good news is after this season, I think it is all UNGTD....I don't know, our 2nd, maybe?
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Post#636 » by VegasKuehl » Sat Apr 18, 2020 8:37 pm

Taylor and a 3rd for OBJ?
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Post#637 » by Wisky4life » Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:08 pm

I think we would do that all day. Don't think the Browns take anything but a 1st or high 2nd for him.

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Re: Packers 2020 Offseason Thread -RIP Willie Davis 

Post#638 » by BUCKnation » Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:27 pm

I think it'd be worth risk to take a big swing and bring in OBJ during these waning Rodgers years.
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Re: Packers 2020 Offseason Thread -RIP Willie Davis 

Post#639 » by sdn40 » Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:09 pm

First of all....just no. Secondly, anyone ever care to watch a Gute press conference ? He only mentions character and leadership every single time. Anyone care to notice common traits of every FA signing ? Character and leadership. And even if Gute was tricked into smoking crystal meth, OBJ's cap number is 14.25 million and the current Packer cap space is somewhere around 10.8 million with a full rookie draft class to sign. Long live circle, circle, triangle, square.
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Post#640 » by ReasonablySober » Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:43 am

Would do whatever it takes to get OBJ.

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