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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread Vol. Iggy 

Post#621 » by AirP. » Thu Feb 13, 2020 1:34 pm

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Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:How can the Heat keep Bam, Robinson, Nunn and Jones Jr. while offering a max contract to a player in 2021? Think you got to let Jones Jr. go.


There is space for a 25% or 30% max if Jones is signed to a MLE.

Don’t take Iggy’s option for $15m.
Renounce Olynyk bird rights.
Take Herro’s option ($4,004,280) and maybe Silva's.
Butler (36,016,200)
Adebayo max (25%). Assuming $125m cap. $31.25m.

Team:

Bam ($31.25m), Butler ($36m), Herro ($4,004,280 TO), Okpala ($1,782,621), (Silva TO, $1,782,621)

Cap holds:

Nunn: cap hold: $2,122,822 (restricted bird)
Duncan: cap hold: $2,122,822 (restricted bird)
7 incomplete roster charges: (about $10.5m)

79m spent. 46m under cap before signing 7 players.

That's enough to sign a max player with room to spare.

25% of 125 = $31.25m (yes)
30% of 125 = $37.5m (yes)
35% of 125 = $44m (nope)


Your missing DJJr's $10mil, our 2020 picks $2.3mil and we don't have to extend Bam this off season do we? That way his cap hold only counts for $15.3mil to our 2021 cap space.

Butler - $36mil
Bam - $15mil (cap hold)
DJJr - $10mil
Herro - $4mil
2020 pick - $2.3mil
Nunn - $2.1mil (cap hold)
Robinson - $2.1mil (cap hold)
Silva - $1.7mil
Okpala - $1.7mil
Ryan Anderson Stretch - $5.2mil
3x min roster charge - $3.1mil

Total without rounding numbers = $84,555,783
Salary cap = 125mil (roughly)
Cap space remaining = $40,444,262


I will once again say this, I hate the idea of the 2021 plan and basically not taking advantage of this team winning early on in the season. Miami is 11-11 in the last 22 games, going 2-0 in OT games, meaning they could easily be 9-13 their last 22 games.

If 2021 is the "goal" and it's so much of a goal you just punted this year's season instead of getting Gallo to give this team a real chance, what in the )(%$#@ did this FO really accomplish by trading for Butler other than... have a worse situation in 2021 for whatever max guy they wanted. Let's look at Butler, in 2021 he'll be paid 36 million at 32 years old instead of having Richardson and Justise in their primes on very reasonable contracts(and a couple more years of development). To acquire Butler Miami sent out a 1st round pick to make the money work while sending out Whiteside who would have expired after this year.

So, in the summer of 2021, Miami has replaced a 25-year-old Winslow at 13 mil, a 28 year or Richardson with a 16 mil cap hold and a 1st round pick for a 32-year-old Butler at 36 million. This 2021 plan of keeping cap space available makes no sense with the acquisition of Butler. Now if Riley has decided that Gallo was too much and he's going to make a big splash this summer, I can wrap my head around that, but if it's another stand pat year for that 2021 cap space, bringing in Jimmy Butler was nothing more then to dangle hope for 2 seasons while watching this team ALMOST have enough to do something really special. It is ENTIRELY possible that this team does worse next year if Miami loses some depth say... Dragic, Olynyk, DJJ, Crowder, and/or Leonard... while Brooklyn gets KD back and maybe a healthy Irving and leapfrogs Miami in the standings, the 2021 plan is going to look very stupid(cap space with a team regressing and a maxed vet at age 32).

Hopefully, the Memphis trade and getting nearly 30 million off the books next season means only this year with Butler wasn't capitalized on and Miami makes another big trade this summer.

Once again... if the 2021 plan was so damn important, why jettison a 1st round pick and 2 promising young players on good value contracts to end up with a guy who will be 32 and be owed 73 million the next 2 seasons. Either capitalize on your ability to acquire a player like Butler(who is nearing the end of his prime) or don't acquire him and stick to your plan.
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread Vol. Iggy 

Post#622 » by Kobewade11 » Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:23 pm

Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:How can the Heat keep Bam, Robinson, Nunn and Jones Jr. while offering a max contract to a player in 2021? Think you got to let Jones Jr. go.

Aside from Bam, none of those guys you named are deterrents to signing a major player. You let all 3 go for the right guy and dont think twice.
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread Vol. Iggy 

Post#623 » by Majestic7 » Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:24 pm

DayofMourning wrote:I stopped by the Philly board to see their thoughts and a poster suggested that an Embiid to Miami deal should START with Bam, Herro, Duncan, KZ, and picks.


Add Horford, JRich and they can have all those guys. I'll even throw in Nunn and KO.

All this Embiid talk has got me thinking…

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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread Vol. Iggy 

Post#624 » by Majestic7 » Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:06 pm

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AirP. wrote:Found a good picture to see their sizes close to each other...
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Yeah, it's hard to find a picture where their legs aren't bent since that can change the look of their sizes. Need them standing straight and even then it's tough, you basically have to look where their feet start to the top of their head.


Butler is taller. Photos can be really deceiving sometimes.

Here's one that shows Butler is taller from the azz up. lol

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Few more. Isn't DWade 6'4" ?

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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread Vol. Iggy 

Post#625 » by Feel_the_Heat15 » Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:13 pm

Herro is a bad defender overall but his perimeter defense is actually pretty good which is why other team's guards have been hitting 3s against us lately with Herro out.
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread Vol. Iggy 

Post#626 » by HeatFanLifer » Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:36 pm

All star break notes: Heat are on pace for 53 wins.
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread Vol. Iggy 

Post#627 » by Majestic7 » Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:12 pm

HeatFanLifer wrote:All star break notes: Heat are on pace for 53 wins.


They would have to go 18-10 to finish the season. I'm gonna be a bit more conservative and say they'll go 16-12, end up with 51 wins and the 4th seed with HCA. If they're 100% healthy to start round one, I think they can win that series, probably against Phily or Indy.

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Post#628 » by AirP. » Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:14 pm

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DayofMourning wrote:I stopped by the Philly board to see their thoughts and a poster suggested that an Embiid to Miami deal should START with Bam, Herro, Duncan, KZ, and picks.


Add Horford, JRich and they can have all those guys. I'll even throw in Nunn and KO.

It won't cost nearly those assets. Even though Embiid is the better player, Bam would be a way better fit with Simmons. Since Simmons doesn't shoot, the offense could alternate between Simmons and Bam and with Bam is initiating the offense Simmons could be in the low post not to mention Bam can and will be able to keep up with Simmons on fast breaks.

If I were Miami, I would push for a straight up Bam for Embiid trade which means absorbing Embiid's contract(hey, didn't Riley just cut nearly 30 million off the payroll for next year with the Memphis trade). For Philly, they'd get a much better fitting PF/C next to Simmons, a younger PF/C, a player with a healthier history, cut some of the 76er's payroll and be able to utilize Horford better(They did give him nearly a 100 million dollar contract).

For Miami, they team up Butler and Embiid who possibly were an Embiid illness away from winning a championship(the series would have been done in 6 games).

Philly should have continued to build around Butler and Embiid but they didn't and really the best move they could do is continue building around Simmons(which I believe they already started doing with Harris and Horford) and get Bam to be the rim protector next to Horford.
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread Vol. Iggy 

Post#629 » by Shootit » Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:50 pm

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28678382/bam-adebayo-fiercest-best-nba-player-know

Good read on Bam and his journey

Adebayo kept inviting himself into drills reserved for guards. When he learned Alonzo Mourning held most of the team's weight-room records --- the room is named 'Zo's Zone -- he resolved to break them. Coaches warned it would take him five or six years just to flirt with them.

He has already smashed two, including the hamstring curl.

"He is the strongest guy we've ever had," Spoelstra says, "and as ferocious a competitor as has ever been through these walls."
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Post#630 » by BenoUdrihFTL » Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:53 pm

DayofMourning wrote:I stopped by the Philly board to see their thoughts and a poster suggested that an Embiid to Miami deal should START with Bam, Herro, Duncan, KZ, and picks.

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Lol good luck with that Philly fans. I'd seriously be concerned with Joel's trade value and Philly's bargaining power if I were a Sixers fan
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread Vol. Iggy 

Post#631 » by Wiltside » Thu Feb 13, 2020 10:01 pm

Shootit wrote:https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28678382/bam-adebayo-fiercest-best-nba-player-know

Good read on Bam and his journey

Adebayo kept inviting himself into drills reserved for guards. When he learned Alonzo Mourning held most of the team's weight-room records --- the room is named 'Zo's Zone -- he resolved to break them. Coaches warned it would take him five or six years just to flirt with them.

He has already smashed two, including the hamstring curl.

"He is the strongest guy we've ever had," Spoelstra says, "and as ferocious a competitor as has ever been through these walls."


Just finished reading that article. Bam ain’t going nowhere. Can’t see any way Riley agrees to trade him - he clearly loves the guy, and we’re heavily invested in him emotionally.

Who knows, might be for the best. Bam has another level to go to. He ain’t there yet.
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread Vol. Iggy 

Post#632 » by HeatFanLifer » Thu Feb 13, 2020 10:08 pm

Majestic7 wrote:
HeatFanLifer wrote:All star break notes: Heat are on pace for 53 wins.


They would have to go 18-10 to finish the season. I'm gonna be a bit more conservative and say they'll go 16-12, end up with 51 wins and the 4th seed with HCA. If they're 100% healthy to start round one, I think they can win that series, probably against Phily or Indy.

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Anything less than second round is a failure for this season.

2 all stars and a first round exit is unacceptable.
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread Vol. Iggy 

Post#633 » by zgope1 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:46 am

should we offer Hayward a max?
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Post#634 » by gom » Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:25 am

Wow... crazy stuff here.

I'll keep Bam no matter what and make it a priority to hand the 76ers an exit from the postseason. If we do that, I think Monsieur Embiid will come knocking, and Philadelphia will see the inevitable and let him go. I wouldn't think we'll have space for him though with Bam and Davis in the front court.

Also, Hayward is taking that $34m player option. Don't be silly.
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Post#635 » by Bishop45 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:25 am

Unless stifled by injury, I don't take Philly or Indy very srsly as first rd threat
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread Vol. Iggy 

Post#636 » by HeatFanLifer » Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:36 am

Bishop45 wrote:Unless stifled by injury, I don't take Philly or Indy very srsly as first rd threat


Pacers are a threat if Oladipo is able to be the player he was before injury
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Post#637 » by Bishop45 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:50 am

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Bishop45 wrote:Unless stifled by injury, I don't take Philly or Indy very srsly as first rd threat


Pacers are a threat if Oladipo is able to be the player he was before injury


From where he is now, he would need like 2 whole sensu beans to get there-- Nah, I'm not afraid of them. Tandem of Sabonis/Brogdon does put more fear in my heart than Biid/Simmons/Richardson tho
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread Vol. Iggy 

Post#638 » by gom » Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:56 am

2020 off-season (alternative to 2021)

Renounce bird rights for everyone expiring but Chris Silva. Assumes Lakers miss.

Draft night trade: 2020 FRP + Kelly Olynyk to Portland for Trevor Ariza (Ariza's salary for 2020-21 is non-guaranteed) and a SRP (from someone)

Butler/Iggy/Bam/Herro/Nunn/Duncan/Okpala/Silva (9 players)
5 incomplete spots: $4.7m
Dead cap (ryan anderson + hammons) $5.56m

Salary cap (est): $115m

10.3 (dead cap and incomplete roster spaces)
65.7 (guaranteed for 2020-21)

76m total.

115m - 76m = $39m
Offer 30% max deal (he cannot get 35%) to Anthony Davis. (1+1 player option).

$4.5m to shop plus 5 roster spaces. = $9.2m. Might be enough for Derrick Jones Jr. Not enough for Goran.

Guards: Nunn/Herro/Butler
Forwards: Iggy/Duncan/Okpala/Bam/Silva/Anthony Davis/Jones


Nunn/Herro/Butler/Davis/Bam
Iggy/Duncan/Jones/Okpala/Silva

Buy into second round to find some guards.
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Post#639 » by RexBoyWonder » Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:28 pm

I've been thinking about moves to make us a legit contenders. I've got 2 in mind.

1) Iggy + Kelly + Herro + Nunn + 2020 pick

For

Bradley Beal.

I love Herro, but considering Jimmy's age - i can see the logic of going all in right now with the more ready proven Beal.

2) Bam + KZ + DJJ + Dragic

For

J. Emmbid

I don't love this move honestly, but one can argue we'll have a higher ceiling with Embbid on board.

If you make both trade we're left with :

PG : Tyler Johnson / G.Vincent
SG : B.Beal / Ring chaser
SF : Butler/ Ring chaser
PF : D.Robinson/ Ring chaser
C : Embbid / Silva

So we'll have probably the best starting 5 in the league, with a very questionable bench. We'll need to find some old ring chasers and G-leaguers that can help the bench for minimum salaries.

But this team will be deadly if healthy.

Thoughts? I'm thinking maybe trade #1 will be enough.
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread Vol. Iggy 

Post#640 » by gom » Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:50 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:I've been thinking about moves to make us a legit contenders. I've got 2 in mind.

1) Iggy + Kelly + Herro + Nunn + 2020 pick

For

Bradley Beal.

I love Herro, but considering Jimmy's age - i can see the logic of going all in right now with the more ready proven Beal.

2) Bam + KZ + DJJ + Dragic

For

J. Emmbid

I don't love this move honestly, but one can argue we'll have a higher ceiling with Embbid on board.

If you make both trade we're left with :

PG : Tyler Johnson / G.Vincent
SG : B.Beal / Ring chaser
SF : Butler/ Ring chaser
PF : D.Robinson/ Ring chaser
C : Embbid / Silva

So we'll have probably the best starting 5 in the league, with a very questionable bench. We'll need to find some old ring chasers and G-leaguers that can help the bench for minimum salaries.

But this team will be deadly if healthy.

Thoughts? I'm thinking maybe trade #1 will be enough.


In on the Beal trade. Pass on the Bam for Embiid. We are just starting to learn what Bam can do. Also, did you sign TJ? Really?

I prefer signing Anthony Davis to Beal or Embiid. In my dreamworld he's the reported disgruntled star. Bam+Butler+Davis and crush.
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