The Tomjas Thread

[Tomjas]

Now I have to thank you for having a good laugh.

He had one job in Houston and “retired” before making a decision

He’s got one job in Philly and is imposing the biggest fines in the history of professional sports while collecting 200k per week for himself

Wtf???????

Harden

Simmons

Or Morey - a clown that can’t dribble or use a spreadsheet

Hey guys, I’ve been out for a week or so, are we ignoring Tomjas? I forgot.

You’re ignoring Morey

[DCasey91]

If Blazers wont hand us Dame, we should go after Anfernee Simons.

And if Blazers value Anfernee Simons, we should go after Norman Powell.

Assets im looking to trade:
Paul Reed or Bassley and first round pick for Simons
Milton and Bassley or Reed for Simons
Paul Reed or Bassley for Powell

Looking at Simons numbers, he has a good chance to breakout this season if given a bigger role and give you same or better scoring numbers than Seth does. He can be a guy who can play sort of a Manu role where you can insert him on your line-ups to have a go to perimeter scorer down the stretch on small volumes

I wanted him last season lol actually F Dame and CJ they can go kick rocks make paddlepop toy chairs for all I care. Let the Blazers as the namesake ends up in an inferno of a dumpster fire. Ben can go play with Simons and he can teach him about being underepped and sticking it to the higher ups. Lillard goes to the Celtics and we get Brown Town

9dimensionalchessmoveftw

SIMONS IS MY BOI! LET THE KID COOK

[Kobblehead]

If Blazers wont hand us Dame, we should go after Anfernee Simons.

And if Blazers value Anfernee Simons, we should go after Norman Powell.

Assets im looking to trade:
Paul Reed or Bassley and first round pick for Simons
Milton and Bassley or Reed for Simons
Paul Reed or Bassley for Powell

Looking at Simons numbers, he has a good chance to breakout this season if given a bigger role and give you same or better scoring numbers than Seth does. He can be a guy who can play sort of a Manu role where you can insert him on your line-ups to have a go to perimeter scorer down the stretch on small volumes

Simons is too established for us to be able to get with a small handful of unproven guys. To get him, you'd likely have to give up Korkmaz.

Portland does have a pair of unproven guys I really like, though.

CJ Elleby was a jack of multiple trades at Washington State. Could dribble, shoot, pass, defend and he's a huge 6'6" 200 pounds. He's gotten zero oppurtunity in Portland.

Greg Brown is a freak athlete at 6'9" 200+ that can sling it from deep. Has a chance to become what Jerami Grant is now for the Pistons.

I wouldn't mind doing a swap of unprovens. Reed/Bassey for Elleby/Brown.

[sixers hoops]

Morey has backed himself into a corner going this route. If he takes back a trade that was rumored, and likely available, months ago, he just wasted a lot of time our team could have been jelling, and a lot of energy on a situation that could’ve been avoided by reading the market correctly. As a result, he is probably inclined to see his plan through. A lot of media people keep saying he just needs to take the best deal and move on, but I think it trending the other direction.

I'm not so sure i agree??

I mean, yeah, you're right, if he end up taking a trade that was rumored before a lot of us are gonna be dissapointed and the team could had build chemistry early, yes. But by the same token, you take the trade when you can see what's the max value offered, if that value is the same that it was in the summer that's fair, but to be sure you are really seeing the max value offered you need to reach the point where the team has peak leverage and that's gonna be around january/february.

Taking that trade in the summer without knowing if the value could have been higher at other moment seems irresponsible from my point of view, even if we end making the trade for similar pieces later.

He's gonna end up being critisized to hell if he take the same value than in the summer and people are gonna say he should have traded early, yeah, but he's the GM, if he's worried about that stuff is better to just resign.

And, to your point, the best deal in July sucked, so there is still a very good chance that Morey ends up with a better deal. I thought Ben would be on the court by now, simply because it would be the easiest way for him to get to another team. Morey repeatedly says he isn’t trading Ben without getting an all-star, or a player who gives them a better chance to win a title. I don’t see any scenario where he gets anything significant enough that I would think it was worth hanging onto Ben an extra 6 months.

However, I think Morey is in the early stages of this strategy, so judging him now without seeing the final outcome is pointless. I was just commenting on the daily thought that crosses my mind that Morey is going to have to see this through the long way, because for this strategy to work, he and ownership have to wait out all the tactics that players have at their disposal to avoid showing up for a team. My hope that Ben tries a short camp holdout, reports, plays 20 games, then gets traded, isn’t happening. The Sixers are going to let him exhaust all of his options and fine him along the way. It could take months to wait out all of this, but I don’t see the Sixers and Morey changing course.

[the_process]

December 15th. It's a long time from now, I know. But just focus on December 15th.

[KramerDSP]

Who would we realistically want 12/15 that is not available now ? Doesn’t seem like a lot of guys.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Who would we realistically want 12/15 that is not available now ? Doesn’t seem like a lot of guys.

Is that the date when rookies and players who signed as free agents can be traded? I'm not sure on it, but that would be my guess. I could be wrong. Someone else with better knowledge on it can clear it up I'm sure.

[zaz102]

Who would we realistically want 12/15 that is not available now ? Doesn’t seem like a lot of guys.

I don't think there's a lot, but at that point it offers teams more flexibility and they have a better idea of where they're at and how they want to proceed which will probably lead to some trades.

As like every year, most trades won't happen until the deadline though, so the 12/15 date probably won't matter that much.

[Negrodamus]

Lol, Dejounte Murray is a better version of Ben Simmons because he actually takes jumpshots while averaging basically the same statline: 18ppg, 8rpg, 8apg.

If I'm the Spurs, I'd probably decline anything additional with Murray for Ben.

[Anza]

December 15th. It's a long time from now, I know. But just focus on December 15th.

This

Nothing happens before this

[Negrodamus]

Watch on YouTube

Ben could never.

[Kobblehead]

Murray is a good kid. Simmons is a bad kid.
Murray is on a great contract. Simmons is on an awful contract.
Murray has gotten better every year he's been in the league. Simmons has not shown an ounce of improvement since highschool.

The Spurs definitely should keep Murray and not get into the Ben Simmons circus.

[mjkvol]

Watch on YouTube

Ben could never.

Agree. I don't get the criticism of this kid. Plug him in with Curry, and let Maxey come off the bench in a spot he's most suited for. Quite frankly, if Morey did a straight up deal with Simmons for this kid we could do a hell of a lot worse.

[Negrodamus]

Yea, but Ben gets to the line more (and shoots 60% under no pressure, regular season situations).
Well, Ben also has won more and had this statline for longer (with Joel Embiid carrying him).
Hold on, Ben is 6'10, provides much more defensive versatility (but almost always defends guards).

[GutUNC]

Time to fine Morey

Sad but he’s not up to it

Harden & Ben have both played him

He’s a stats nerd who doesn’t understand stats

Basically a massive liability

Who’s his replacement?

Now I have to thank you for having a good laugh.

He had one job in Houston and “retired” before making a decision

He’s got one job in Philly and is imposing the biggest fines in the history of professional sports while collecting 200k per week for himself

Wtf???????

Harden

Simmons

Or Morey - a clown that can’t dribble or use a spreadsheet

Howard Eskin?

[76ciology]

Spurs has to take Ben for Murray.

After they trade for Ben, they just need a mid first and get them another Murray.

If Milton is in Murray’s place taking 18 shots a game, Milton would be a 20+ppg scorer with good %s, decent defense and assist numbers.

If Seth is taking 18 a game, UnderArmor will sign Seth.
Steph will have to settle for LiNing endorsement with Dwyane Wade.

Who the hell cares about your PG rebounding and making all those inflated assist numbers. If you want that, call the Cavs and ask for Ricky Rubio. Or the Celtics ask for Josh Richardson. If your PG can’t score efficiently and can’t shoot decently, he shouldn’t be valued in today’s NBA.

Look how toxic Westbrook is..

Think about it.. we’re one of the best PnR teams in the league. Best offensive team in the league. And what makes our offense run is because our guys can shoot and our guards are scorers.

Thank God we are done with this BS guard who cant shoot and is not a scorer running our offense gimmick.

..and now you want to go back to those days? Mistakes should make us better by learning from it. You’re a fool if you dont learn from your mistakes.

[Negrodamus]

Spurs has to take Ben for Murray.

After they trade for Ben, they just need a mid first and get them another Murray.

If Milton is in Murray’s place taking 18 shots a game, Milton would be a 20+ppg scorer with good %s, decent defense and assist numbers.

If Seth is taking 18 a game, UnderArmor will sign Seth and Steph will have to settle for LiNing endorsement with Dwyane Wade.

Absent from your post, and most posts about Dejounte Murray, is why Ben is more valuable than him. Okay, it took Ben 11 shots to get 16 points (in 19/20 season AKA the best of times for Ben), well how does he make up those 5 points? By going 60% at the line on volume. Once again, that in the non-pressure moments. He's regressed in every playoff performance at the FT line.

I'd bet on Murray's offensive capability over Ben's every day of the week.

[Mik317]

I like how it’s Morey that is directly fining Ben and not yknow the team and the owners lol

I also like how it’s apparently perfectly fine for Ben to not follow protocol at all and expect to just get off Scott free for his actions

He is again being insubordinate and his paying the price for it. All he had to do is show proof that he is taking this seriously. He has not. Thus he gets fined. It’s not rocket science and has very little to do with Morey.

Again this idea that just because Ben has asked for a trade he has to get it no matter what is just dumb .

[76ciology]

Spurs has to take Ben for Murray.

After they trade for Ben, they just need a mid first and get them another Murray.

If Milton is in Murray’s place taking 18 shots a game, Milton would be a 20+ppg scorer with good %s, decent defense and assist numbers.

If Seth is taking 18 a game, UnderArmor will sign Seth and Steph will have to settle for LiNing endorsement with Dwyane Wade.

Absent from your post, and most posts about Dejounte Murray, is why Ben is more valuable than him. Okay, it took Ben 11 shots to get 16 points (in 19/20 season AKA the best of times for Ben), well how does he make up those 5 points? By going 60% at the line on volume. Once again, that in the non-pressure moments. He's regressed in every playoff performance at the FT line.

I'd bet on Murray's offensive capability over Ben's every day of the week.

I know what you mean. And I’d also take Murray over Ben, in a vacuum.

But basketball is 5v5 not 1v1 while value is driven by supply and demand.

You can get further with Ben and random combo guards than Murray and random PF.

In terms of supply, a guy like Ben is a lotto to mid first talent while you can get a 18ppg on 17FGA guard in the 20-30th range of the draft.

Like I said, Milton, Kork and Maxey can all be better than Murray on offense.

[76ciology]

Im guessing Doc is very happy with how the team’s offense is running right now. Doc loves the pick and roll, the shooting, the spacing the scoring.. then suddenly Morey surprises him with..

Oh btw Doc, we’d like to have Dejounte Murray run our offense.

Even if you look at the numbers and see what kind of players Morey wants from his guard, you can clearly see Murray is NOT that guy.