Build Your Realistic Team - Draft COMPLETED

[Ryoga Hibiki]

I've added a couple tabs to the spreadsheet. One showing players by Draft Year, the other by NBA team.

Some interesting objective features:

Drafts with most players chosen:

1. 2015 - 20
2. 2018 - 19
3. 2014 - 14
(tie) 2016 - 14
(tie) 2017 - 14

This feels young to me than I was expecting, but it's not like I didn't pick a young team too. I wonder if we've got a bit of a future-oriented bias here.

All drafts back to 2003 had players drafted with 2004 (Iguodala) & 2005 (Paul) being the lone representatives for the least represented drafts.

Teams with most players chosen:

1. Golden State - 9 (noteworthy in that Klay Thompson not among them)
2. Memphis - 8
(tie) Utah - 8
4. Brooklyn - 7 (noteworthy in that Kyrie Irving not among them)
(tie) Charlotte - 7
(tie) Philadelphia - 7 (noteworthy in that Ben Simmons not among them)
(tie) Phoenix - 7

Teams with least players chosen:

1. Houston - 1 (noteworthy in that John Wall not among them)
2. Oklahoma City - 2
3. Detroit - 3
(tie) Indiana - 3
(tie) New Orleans - 3 (noteworthy in that Zion Williamson not among them)

Other injured/whatever players whose lack of play this season impacted their draft prospects:

Kawhi Leonard (injury)
Jamal Murray (injury)
Michael Porter Jr. (injury)

I can add the draft year to in the draft tab, and we could have it in a more db friendly format.
Anyway, I also prepared this:

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Team     #Players    TotValueLin    TotValueQuad
BKN      7           23.7           32.7       
UTA      8           29.1           32.2       
MIA      6           25.0           31.5       
MIL      6           20.4           28.9       
GSW      9           24.5           26.2       
CHA      8           23.6           23.7       
PHO      6           16.0           23.6       
CHI      5           14.6           21.6       
CLE      6           19.1           19.2       
BOS      6           14.9           18.8       
TOR      5           13.6           15.0       
PHI      7           16.7           10.2       
MEM      8           12.5           6.1         
DAL      4           -0.4           4.4         
MIN      5           3.8            4.0         
SAC      5           6.5            2.3         
LAL      5           -6.6           2.1         
ATL      6           0.9            -0.9       
POR      6           0.0            -4.9       
IND      3           -9.1           -5.0       
DEN      4           -12.9          -8.8       
LAC      6           -9.0           -10.1       
WAS      5           -16.2          -20.2       
OKL      2           -26.7          -27.1       
NOP      3           -26.7          -28.4       
SAS      4           -21.5          -31.3       
DET      3           -31.3          -35.9       
HOU      2           -36.4          -42.1       
NYK      6           -32.9          -43.5       
ORL      4           -35.6          -44.5       


ranking the teams "weighting" each pick in different methods, the second more skewed towards the top picks (the difference between 1 and 20 is much higher than between 80 and 100.
0 score is an average team.
The absence of Lopez is penalizing the Bucks.
The Nuggets have really nothing around Jokic.
The Knicks have nothing, period.

[flaco]

Trez was perhaps the steal of the draft in round 10. Could be 6MOY. I'd have drafted him at least a couple rounds back but already had AD/Sabonis/Randle.

There are still a few gems left on the board, imo. Trez was a steal for sure. I had him on my list in case we did/do(?) 2 more rounds.

[Doctor MJ]

Trez was perhaps the steal of the draft in round 10. Could be 6MOY. I'd have drafted him at least a couple rounds back but already had AD/Sabonis/Randle.

Well, he certainly dropped relative to where he'd generally rank in the NBA. The question of whether he's a steal though depends on whether drafting order ends up serving as good proxy for voter opinions.

[Doctor MJ]

I can add the draft year to in the draft tab, and we could have it in a more db friendly format.
Anyway, I also prepared this:

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Team     #Players    TotValueLin    TotValueQuad
BKN      7           23.7           32.7       
UTA      8           29.1           32.2       
MIA      6           25.0           31.5       
MIL      6           20.4           28.9       
GSW      9           24.5           26.2       
CHA      8           23.6           23.7       
PHO      6           16.0           23.6       
CHI      5           14.6           21.6       
CLE      6           19.1           19.2       
BOS      6           14.9           18.8       
TOR      5           13.6           15.0       
PHI      7           16.7           10.2       
MEM      8           12.5           6.1         
DAL      4           -0.4           4.4         
MIN      5           3.8            4.0         
SAC      5           6.5            2.3         
LAL      5           -6.6           2.1         
ATL      6           0.9            -0.9       
POR      6           0.0            -4.9       
IND      3           -9.1           -5.0       
DEN      4           -12.9          -8.8       
LAC      6           -9.0           -10.1       
WAS      5           -16.2          -20.2       
OKL      2           -26.7          -27.1       
NOP      3           -26.7          -28.4       
SAS      4           -21.5          -31.3       
DET      3           -31.3          -35.9       
HOU      2           -36.4          -42.1       
NYK      6           -32.9          -43.5       
ORL      4           -35.6          -44.5       


ranking the teams "weighting" each pick in different methods, the second more skewed towards the top picks (the difference between 1 and 20 is much higher than between 80 and 100.
0 score is an average team.
The absence of Lopez is penalizing the Bucks.
The Nuggets have really nothing around Jokic.
The Knicks have nothing, period.

Cool. Can you elaborate on what "value" means in your columns?

[Colbinii]

Trez was perhaps the steal of the draft in round 10. Could be 6MOY. I'd have drafted him at least a couple rounds back but already had AD/Sabonis/Randle.

Well, he certainly dropped relative to where he'd generally rank in the NBA. The question of whether he's a steal though depends on whether drafting order ends up serving as good proxy for voter opinions.

I did not have Trez on my list.

In real life I would be happy to have him as a 9th or 10 roster spot who eats up efficient minutes during the regular season.

[flaco]

Trez was perhaps the steal of the draft in round 10. Could be 6MOY. I'd have drafted him at least a couple rounds back but already had AD/Sabonis/Randle.

Well, he certainly dropped relative to where he'd generally rank in the NBA. The question of whether he's a steal though depends on whether drafting order ends up serving as good proxy for voter opinions.

I did not have Trez on my list.

In real life I would be happy to have him as a 9th or 10 roster spot who eats up efficient minutes during the regular season.

His defense leaves a lot to be desired, but he's a very good finisher in the PnR. Scores 1.28 PPP when rolling to the basket which ranks in the 74th percentile. He's a useful player to have provided that you pair him with a competent PnR ball handler. Fwiw, he ranks in the 94th percentile in Offensive EPM! He also ranks in the 26th percentile in Defensive EPM.

[Colbinii]

Well, he certainly dropped relative to where he'd generally rank in the NBA. The question of whether he's a steal though depends on whether drafting order ends up serving as good proxy for voter opinions.

I did not have Trez on my list.

In real life I would be happy to have him as a 9th or 10 roster spot who eats up efficient minutes during the regular season.

His D leaves a lot to be desired, but he's a very good finisher in the PnR. Scores 1.28 PPP when rolling to the basket which ranks in the 74th percentile. He's a useful player to have provided that you pair him with a competent PnR ball handler. Fwiw, he ranks in the 94th percentile in Offensive EPM! He also ranks in the 26th percentile in Defensive EPM.

The issue with Trez's offense in the playoffs is teams spend more time preparing, the average level of player faced is higher [defensively] and teams are simply better equipped to limit a players best attribute. This has hampered Trez a noticeable amount in the post-season, but isn't his biggest weakness--his defense.

Trez is a lousy defender. He has never defended well and becomes a massive liability in terms of what schemes a team can use defensively and is a giant target for any offense. Teams are able to game plan around attack Trez far more often than they do in the regular season, which has resulted in him being unplayable in the post-season, even against teams he should feast on offensively.

[Doctor MJ]

Well, he certainly dropped relative to where he'd generally rank in the NBA. The question of whether he's a steal though depends on whether drafting order ends up serving as good proxy for voter opinions.

I did not have Trez on my list.

In real life I would be happy to have him as a 9th or 10 roster spot who eats up efficient minutes during the regular season.

His defense leaves a lot to be desired, but he's a very good finisher in the PnR. Scores 1.28 PPP when rolling to the basket which ranks in the 74th percentile. He's a useful player to have provided that you pair him with a competent PnR ball handler. Fwiw, he ranks in the 94th percentile in Offensive EPM! He also ranks in the 26th percentile in Defensive EPM.

The concerns for Trez are based on playoff performance. He's often the one people point to as the reason why the Clippers got upset by the Nuggets in 2020, and seen as unable to function on either side of the ball against elite big men.

Not saying that this is correct necessarily, but quoting regular season stats won't help here.

[flaco]

I did not have Trez on my list.

In real life I would be happy to have him as a 9th or 10 roster spot who eats up efficient minutes during the regular season.

His D leaves a lot to be desired, but he's a very good finisher in the PnR. Scores 1.28 PPP when rolling to the basket which ranks in the 74th percentile. He's a useful player to have provided that you pair him with a competent PnR ball handler. Fwiw, he ranks in the 94th percentile in Offensive EPM! He also ranks in the 26th percentile in Defensive EPM.

The issue with Trez's offense in the playoffs is teams spend more time preparing, the average level of player faced is higher [defensively] and teams are simply better equipped to limit a players best attribute. This has hampered Trez a noticeable amount in the post-season, but isn't his biggest weakness--his defense.

Trez is a lousy defender. He has never defended well and becomes a massive liability in terms of what schemes a team can use defensively and is a giant target for any offense. Teams are able to game plan around attack Trez far more often than they do in the regular season, which has resulted in him being unplayable in the post-season, even against teams he should feast on offensively.

PnR is quite possibly the most lethal team move in the modern NBA. If you have the right players, it becomes an unstoppable move.

Agreed 100% on his defense. This is why he becomes unplayable at times, not because they can stop him on the offensive side of the ball.

[Doctor MJ]

I should say:

I actually did consider draft Trez myself. In the right match up, Trez might actually be a guy you want to play big minutes, so from a matchup-versatility perspective, Trez is giving you a possibility that I don't think any of the other late draft picks gives you. I just didn't see any situation where I wouldn't rather rely on the bigs I already had.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

I can add the draft year to in the draft tab, and we could have it in a more db friendly format.
Anyway, I also prepared this:

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Team     #Players    TotValueLin    TotValueQuad
BKN      7           23.7           32.7       
UTA      8           29.1           32.2       
MIA      6           25.0           31.5       
MIL      6           20.4           28.9       
GSW      9           24.5           26.2       
CHA      8           23.6           23.7       
PHO      6           16.0           23.6       
CHI      5           14.6           21.6       
CLE      6           19.1           19.2       
BOS      6           14.9           18.8       
TOR      5           13.6           15.0       
PHI      7           16.7           10.2       
MEM      8           12.5           6.1         
DAL      4           -0.4           4.4         
MIN      5           3.8            4.0         
SAC      5           6.5            2.3         
LAL      5           -6.6           2.1         
ATL      6           0.9            -0.9       
POR      6           0.0            -4.9       
IND      3           -9.1           -5.0       
DEN      4           -12.9          -8.8       
LAC      6           -9.0           -10.1       
WAS      5           -16.2          -20.2       
OKL      2           -26.7          -27.1       
NOP      3           -26.7          -28.4       
SAS      4           -21.5          -31.3       
DET      3           -31.3          -35.9       
HOU      2           -36.4          -42.1       
NYK      6           -32.9          -43.5       
ORL      4           -35.6          -44.5       


ranking the teams "weighting" each pick in different methods, the second more skewed towards the top picks (the difference between 1 and 20 is much higher than between 80 and 100.
0 score is an average team.
The absence of Lopez is penalizing the Bucks.
The Nuggets have really nothing around Jokic.
The Knicks have nothing, period.

Cool. Can you elaborate on what "value" means in your columns?

they weight each player by draft position and sum them up for each team.
in the first column jokic is worth 160, Steph 159 and so on. In the second Jokic 160^2, Curry 159^2 etc.
Then I normalized to have the avg team worth 50 and added there the variance from the mean in the table.
The second method gives a higher value to the high picks.

What it seems to me is rhat we really believe a lot in the Miami Heat.

___
Sent from my Nokia 3210 using RealGM mobile app

[flaco]

I can add the draft year to in the draft tab, and we could have it in a more db friendly format.
Anyway, I also prepared this:

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Team     #Players    TotValueLin    TotValueQuad
BKN      7           23.7           32.7       
UTA      8           29.1           32.2       
MIA      6           25.0           31.5       
MIL      6           20.4           28.9       
GSW      9           24.5           26.2       
CHA      8           23.6           23.7       
PHO      6           16.0           23.6       
CHI      5           14.6           21.6       
CLE      6           19.1           19.2       
BOS      6           14.9           18.8       
TOR      5           13.6           15.0       
PHI      7           16.7           10.2       
MEM      8           12.5           6.1         
DAL      4           -0.4           4.4         
MIN      5           3.8            4.0         
SAC      5           6.5            2.3         
LAL      5           -6.6           2.1         
ATL      6           0.9            -0.9       
POR      6           0.0            -4.9       
IND      3           -9.1           -5.0       
DEN      4           -12.9          -8.8       
LAC      6           -9.0           -10.1       
WAS      5           -16.2          -20.2       
OKL      2           -26.7          -27.1       
NOP      3           -26.7          -28.4       
SAS      4           -21.5          -31.3       
DET      3           -31.3          -35.9       
HOU      2           -36.4          -42.1       
NYK      6           -32.9          -43.5       
ORL      4           -35.6          -44.5       


ranking the teams "weighting" each pick in different methods, the second more skewed towards the top picks (the difference between 1 and 20 is much higher than between 80 and 100.
0 score is an average team.
The absence of Lopez is penalizing the Bucks.
The Nuggets have really nothing around Jokic.
The Knicks have nothing, period.

Cool. Can you elaborate on what "value" means in your columns?

they weight each player by draft position and sum them up for each team.
in the first column jokic is worth 160, Steph 159 and so on. In the second Jokic 160^2, Curry 159^2 etc.
Then I normalized to have the avg team worth 50 and added there the variance from the mean in the table.
The second method gives a higher value to the high picks.

What it seems to me is rhat we really believe a lot in the Miami Heat.

___
Sent from my Nokia 3210 using RealGM mobile app

Charlotte is the team that stands out for me. They definitely aren't the 6th best team in the NBA.

Are we done with the draft? If so, how do we proceed from here?

[Fadeaway_J]

With 12-man rosters I would have picked Trez ages ago, as it would allow me to slash his minutes in the playoffs.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

Cool. Can you elaborate on what "value" means in your columns?

they weight each player by draft position and sum them up for each team.
in the first column jokic is worth 160, Steph 159 and so on. In the second Jokic 160^2, Curry 159^2 etc.
Then I normalized to have the avg team worth 50 and added there the variance from the mean in the table.
The second method gives a higher value to the high picks.

What it seems to me is rhat we really believe a lot in the Miami Heat.

___
Sent from my Nokia 3210 using RealGM mobile app

Charlotte is the team that stands out for me. They definitely aren't the 6th best team in the NBA.

Are we done with the draft? If so, how do we proceed from here?

They are not, in the file Mikal Bridges was set to them.
This is the correct ranking, making the Suns the runaway favorites:

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Team     #Players    TotValueLin    TotValueQuad
PHO      7           30.0           39.0       
BKN      7           23.7           32.7       
UTA      8           29.1           32.2       
MIA      6           25.0           31.5       
MIL      6           20.4           28.9       
GSW      9           24.5           26.2       
CHI      5           14.6           21.6       
CLE      6           19.1           19.2       
BOS      6           14.9           18.8       
TOR      5           13.6           15.0       
PHI      7           16.7           10.2       
CHA      7           9.7            8.3         
MEM      8           12.5           6.1         
DAL      4           -0.4           4.4         
MIN      5           3.8            4.0         
SAC      5           6.5            2.3         
LAL      5           -6.6           2.1         
ATL      6           0.9            -0.9       
POR      6           0.0            -4.9       
IND      3           -9.1           -5.0       
DEN      4           -12.9          -8.8       
LAC      6           -9.0           -10.1       
WAS      5           -16.2          -20.2       
OKL      2           -26.7          -27.1       
NOP      3           -26.7          -28.4       
SAS      4           -21.5          -31.3       
DET      3           -31.3          -35.9       
HOU      2           -36.4          -42.1       
NYK      6           -32.9          -43.5       
ORL      4           -35.6          -44.5       


[Ryoga Hibiki]

I was shocked Nurkic didn't go until 120, too. Maybe this speaks to the depth of good big-men in the league right now??

yeah, I guess so, but not just the depth, also the actual demand that you have there.
For all the other positions, especially wingmen, you can decide if you play with one, two or even three at the same time.
You never play in modern NBA with more than one center, and often you play with zero.
That means that teams that already got a center won't be interested to add a second one early, and teams who don't can afford to wait because there's little rush to get one.
That means that, once you go over the really top guys, you kind find ok players at the end of the draft that are like 80% of what was on board 80-90 picks sooner. I think it's true between Ivica Zubac and Jarrett Allen, while the difference between a wing in the second round and a wing in the last one would be enormous.




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[durantbird]

My list of notable omissions:

Point guards:

Spencer Dinwiddie - he's not been very stable this year, but when Beal is not playing, he's blossoming, and he has a significant role in how Wizards have looked this season. A great floor general, and proven sixth man for Nets.

Dennis Schroder - another proven sixth man. The role as a third option that the Lakers designated him for probably doesn't really fit him, but he's been a great contributor everywhere he went, this season for Boston included.

Josh Giddey - he's only a rookie and he plays for OKC but he's proven this year that he's a very talented passer and rebounder as well.

Kemba Walker - Thibs took him out of NYK rotation but it was during the draft that he came back and reminded us just how good an offensive player he is. Could be an offensive x-factor for the right team.

Shooting guards:

Devin Vassell - a great 3&d guy. He may be overlooked because he's on the Spurs.

Donte Divincenzo - he was a starter last year in the eventual champions. Great defender, good passer from the SG position, a bit unsteady as a shooter but certainly worth a pick.

Tim Hardaway Jr - started slow this year but overall have been a steady volume shooter for the Mavs.

Caris LeVert - still a talented scorer and a talented passer as a swing.


Small forwards:

De'Andre Hunter - had a significant role in Hawks' playoff run. Started slower offensively this season than expected, but still a great defender.

Josh Hart - contributes everywhere on the floor, can move along many positions, has nice defense.

Power forwards:

Kyle Kuzma - another Wizards player that probably doesn't get enough credit. Was quite a punching bag by fans during his Lakers days, proving now he can have a central role in a winning culture.

Jeff Green - with all the veterans being chosen, and his great playoff this year with the Nets, thought he'll get a recognition.

Maxi Kleber - great glue guy, and a defensive stretch big, a not so common but very useful type of player.

Centers:

Nerlens Noel - was borderline all defense last season. Was my second option after Mitchell Robinson.

Mason Plumlee - a great passing big man, can be a useful replacement big.

[eminence]

Kleber is a guy I strongly considered starting as early as round 7.

[dcstanley]

As an outsider looking in, surprised Divincenzo, Hart, Hunter, and Kleiber didn't get selected. Good luck everyone!

[Ryoga Hibiki]

Kleber is a guy I strongly considered starting as early as round 7.

He was in the mix for me in the last three picks, but I needed different players at that point.

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[durantbird]

Another notable omission:

Reggie Jackson - experienced player that was huge in the recent playoffs and started well this season. Would take him before several guys that were selected.