Trade Targets

[NyCeEvO]

Zach Lowe ‏@ZachLowe_NBA
Memphis has had recent conversations w/ other teams about trading Rudy Gay. What deals might work?

Interesting.

I'm pretty disappointed in Rudy Gay.

He's never consistently put it all together and hasn't been that close to reaching his potential.

He'll put together a few good weeks and then you think "he's finally going to get it".

Nope.

I'd only want him as a 3rd option cuz he's too flaky as a first or second option.

[vincecarter4pres]

Crash/Brooks/salary filler/1st for Gay. Do it.

I don't love Gay and Wallace has been a great glue guy and solid leader, but that's a deal I think you have to do.

[jeff1624]

On value alone that deal would need to be done if it were proposed by Memphis. Marshon sucks, our 1st will be in the early 20's and Gerald Wallace is an injury risk anytime he steps on the court...

That being said, we'd be a worse team overall. Rudy Gay will encourage more ISO plays and does little else besides scoring (inefficiently)... he is younger though and has more value than Crash, Marshon or our first which is why i'd do the trade.

[NyCeEvO]

Crash/Brooks/salary filler/1st for Gay. Do it.

I don't love Gay and Wallace has been a great glue guy and solid leader, but that's a deal I think you have to do.

What about our defense though?

Yes, we'd be pretty lethal offensively, but our defense would go.

PROs:
Crash is older and he's bound to lose some time and athleticism due to his bold but reckless playing style.
We get younger and more athletic.

CONs:
Gay has significantly larger contract.
Gay's defense is quite suspect.

Also, we have no idea how Rudy would play as a the 3rd option.

We've already got a plenty of scoring offense on this team and I don't know if it makes a lot of sense to pay that much for a guy who really won't provide us what we need: PnR/PnP & 3pt scoring.

[NyCeEvO]

On value alone that deal would need to be done if it were proposed by Memphis. Marshon sucks, our 1st will be in the early 20's and Gerald Wallace is an injury risk anytime he steps on the court...

That being said, we'd be a worse team overall. Rudy Gay will encourage more ISO plays and does little else besides scoring (inefficiently)... he is younger though and has more value than Crash, Marshon or our first which is why i'd do the trade.

Agreed.

What if we expand it to a 3 team deal? There could be a better fit for us someplace else.

[vincecarter4pres]

Here's the thing:

1. Gay is a solid defender.

2. This team is not winning a chip as is and even in the snowball chance in hell we did it would mean Lopez dropped a 26/12/3/3 playoffs while Deron played at his top 7 level, JJ turned back the clock 3 years and fit with everyone and every other little thing fell into place. Therefore, I think we get caught up too much in fit. Not saying to deal for just anyone, but this is a move I'd make on the upside and youth alone.

3. Gay provides an athletic shooter with length to aid with spacing.

4. Although as unlikely as it is, maybe Gay turns a corner again.

5. If we ever do get Phil Jackson, Gay is the type of player he can turn around and mold into a triangle beast.

6. Allows us to upgrade while keeping Hump's contract.

7. Wallace is a lot more injury prone.

8. We've seen Gay as a 3rd option, he sort of still is and he works fine in that role.

[Jersey Generals]

I would actually look to see if Humphries can be outgoing, with Wallace staying, with the intention of playing Wallace at the 4 when it situationally is available (the Heat).

Williams
Johnson
Gay
Wallace
Lopez

Sixth: Evans

or

Williams
Johnson
Gay
Evans
Lopez

Sixth: Wallace

[jeff1624]

Daequan Cook just cleared waivers. Any interest?

[vincecarter4pres]

I would actually look to see if Humphries can be outgoing, with Wallace staying, with the intention of playing Wallace at the 4 when it situationally is available (the Heat).

Williams
Johnson
Gay
Wallace
Lopez

Sixth: Evans

or

Williams
Johnson
Gay
Evans
Lopez

Sixth: Wallace

I can dig.

[AntwanBoldin]

Crash/Brooks/salary filler/1st for Gay. Do it.

I don't love Gay and Wallace has been a great glue guy and solid leader, but that's a deal I think you have to do.

What about our defense though?

Yes, we'd be pretty lethal offensively, but our defense would go.

PROs:
Crash is older and he's bound to lose some time and athleticism due to his bold but reckless playing style.
We get younger and more athletic.

CONs:
Gay has significantly larger contract.
Gay's defense is quite suspect.

Also, we have no idea how Rudy would play as a the 3rd option.

We've already got a plenty of scoring offense on this team and I don't know if it makes a lot of sense to pay that much for a guy who really won't provide us what we need: PnR/PnP & 3pt scoring.

If you locked Gerald Wallace in a gym overnight by morning he'd have 4 points.

But still he sets a tone that gay doesn't. Swapping them straight up be would be awful. Jj would be even more underused on offense and our D would be so soft.

[NyCeEvO]

I would actually look to see if Humphries can be outgoing, with Wallace staying, with the intention of playing Wallace at the 4 when it situationally is available (the Heat).

Williams
Johnson
Gay
Wallace
Lopez

Sixth: Evans

or

Williams
Johnson
Gay
Evans
Lopez

Sixth: Wallace

Why would MEM have any incentive to accept Hump for Gay.

At least if they get Wallace, they get a cheaper, defensive player who actually adds value to their team.

Hump doesn't do much much for them except cap space and they'll already be over the cap anyway.

[NyCeEvO]

If you locked Gerald Wallace in a gym overnight by morning he'd have 4 points.

[vincecarter4pres]

If you locked Gerald Wallace in a gym overnight by morning he'd have 4 points.

That was funny, but he brings up the obvious point that we were saying.

Can Gay fit with JJ? Because JJ is unmovable lol.

[therealbig3]

Daequan Cook just cleared waivers. Any interest?

I'm interested. He's a very good shooter. We need someone like him to space the floor off the bench. Bogans sometimes spaces the floor, and sometimes doesn't.

BTW, I'd much rather move Humphries for Gay instead of Wallace. Wallace and Gay as the forwards would be different, and would actually work well imo. We'd struggle on the glass, I feel, but our defense would be a lot better, and we'd be a much better offensive team. But yeah, we'd give up a lot of offensive rebounds, but that's a tradeoff I'd take, especially if Lopez works harder on the glass, and we adopt a "gang rebound" mentality, where everyone crashes the defensive glass.

[NyCeEvO]

Daequan Cook just cleared waivers. Any interest?

I'm interested. He's a very good shooter. We need someone like him to space the floor off the bench. Bogans sometimes spaces the floor, and sometimes doesn't.

BTW, I'd much rather move Humphries for Gay instead of Wallace. Wallace and Gay as the forwards would be different, and would actually work well imo. We'd struggle on the glass, I feel, but our defense would be a lot better, and we'd be a much better offensive team. But yeah, we'd give up a lot of offensive rebounds, but that's a tradeoff I'd take, especially if Lopez works harder on the glass, and we adopt a "gang rebound" mentality, where everyone crashes the defensive glass.

Really?

Cooks numbers look pretty bad.

He's only had two seasons where he's shot pretty good from 3 and one where he was above 40%.

Yes, he's cheap but there's gotta be a way that we can get a better and more consistent 3pt shooter via a small trade.

[therealbig3]

Cook's entire career has been built off being a 3pt shooter.

His career percentage is 36.5%. He's not super-duper elite, but he's quite good. And he's not someone who will get a lot of playing time, just 10-12 mpg in order to space the floor and hit a 3 once in a while.

[N Ireland Nets]

I would actually look to see if Humphries can be outgoing, with Wallace staying, with the intention of playing Wallace at the 4 when it situationally is available (the Heat).

Williams
Johnson
Gay
Wallace
Lopez

Sixth: Evans

or

Williams
Johnson
Gay
Evans
Lopez

Sixth: Wallace

I would kill to be able to bring in Gay for Hump & pieces.

I just don't see how we'd get Memphis to bite without including Wallace.

Williams
JJ
Gay
Wallace
Lopez

Lineup is legit and I would love it. We'd be fluid from SG-PF with match up nightmares everywhere.

But I just don't see how we get him with Hump & not Wallace, any ideas?

[therealbig3]

Well I'm assuming that Memphis wants to get out of Gay's max contract, and they don't really seem to need him anyway. Humphries makes less money and expires in 1.5 years. Wallace, otoh, is signed for another 3.5 years. Don't know if Memphis wants to make that commitment to him.

But then again, Memphis is a win-now team, and Wallace is obviously a team that any contender would love to have, and you know he would do what Memphis probably wanted Gay to do: don't worry about offense and focus on defense. Wallace and Allen on the perimeter together would be a nightmare for opposing offenses...but they would also be a nightmare for Memphis's offense.

[N Ireland Nets]

Well I'm assuming that Memphis wants to get out of Gay's max contract, and they don't really seem to need him anyway. Humphries makes less money and expires in 1.5 years. Wallace, otoh, is signed for another 3.5 years. Don't know if Memphis wants to make that commitment to him.

But then again, Memphis is a win-now team, and Wallace is obviously a team that any contender would love to have, and you know he would do what Memphis probably wanted Gay to do: don't worry about offense and focus on defense. Wallace and Allen on the perimeter together would be a nightmare for opposing offenses...but they would also be a nightmare for Memphis's offense.

I'd love to send Hump, Brooks & 2 1st's for Rudy Gay. Would be a fantastic signing if we were able to keep Wallace.

[NjNeTs1029]

I don't think Memphis would take Crash for Gay. They would probably look to get a scorer back for him. They're already starting Tony Allen. I don't think theyd want to start Allen at the 2 and Crash at the 3.. The only scoring threat in that lineup would be Randolph.

I would def like to get Rudy Gay on the Nets but i don't think we have much to move for him. I'd rather trade our assets for a legit starting 4.