Embiid Updates/Discussion

[Unbreakable99]

Bynums knees weren't great, but neither was his attitude so he took his money and ran to go dance, literally.

Embiid is an entirely different case, Hinkie knew the risk he was taking, if his career is shortened that's on Hinkie, no one else. His back problems he had in highschool and college are more concerning to me than his foot injury. It's not like the NBA court is any softer than a college court, and now he's going to be expected to play a lot more games than ever before, but needing 3 doctors to check his foot is a little alarming.

If he just broke his foot I don't think there would be an issue, or if he just had back fractures that needed rest then fine, but damn he's been injured twice for significant time before he's even stepped on the court for the Sixers, so it's a little frustrating. What really sucks is the shape he was in by the end of the season he looked great, hopefully this "setback" or whatever it is quickly remedied so he can get back to work.

I don't understand the people saying having 3 doctors see him is alarming. I don't think it is at all. Don't get me wrong. It's still not good he didn't pass a benchmark and I am concerned but the 3 doctors doesn't concern me at all. We all know what a big stickler Hinkie is and how he is very conservative and analyzes everything as much as he can to make an informed decision. I think it's very smart to get 3 experts to see Embiid. You want to make sure you are doing whatever is necessary to proceed with Embiid to ensure the long term health. Don't you think if all 3 doctors say the same thing then that's good? You want to talk to them to see if they are all in agreement. If they aren't then you need to discuss with them why one says one thing and another says something else.

[PaulGaston]

If embiid flops, we still have our pick this year, Nerlens, Saric, and next year's pick. It would suck if Joel ends up poorly, but it's not the end of the world.

Here's what I'm curious about... Of the assets you just listed (Nerlens, Saric, Embiid, #3 pick)... how do you rank them? If some bizarre cirumstances came up right now that forced you to give up 3 of those assets right now... which one do you keep? Are you still keeping Embiid even with the news of his injury?... or are you more confident in the other assets?

With the news as it is right now:
1. Embiid (Embiid is still the most important piece)
2. #3 2015 pick
3. Noel
4. 2016 76ers pick
5. 2016 Lakers pick
6. Saric


A few weeks from now, if they say Embiid has to sit out another year:
1. #3 2015 pick
2. 2016 76ers pick
3. Nerlens Noel
4. Joel Embiid
5. 2016 Laker's pick
6. Saric

Good to know. So right now at this very second if someone put a gun to your head and said, "Choose one to keep... Embiid or the #3 pick"... you keep Embiid?

Btw, the imaginary dude with the gun needs to chill. It's freakin basketball. What are we guessing he looks like... DeNiro in "the fan", Patton Oswalt in "Big fan" or Daniel Stern in "Celtic Pride"? Either way, just choose between Embiid and #3 and move on... it's not worth it. There's more to this world than the 76ers.

[LloydFree]

Here's what I'm curious about... Of the assets you just listed (Nerlens, Saric, Embiid, #3 pick)... how do you rank them? If some bizarre cirumstances came up right now that forced you to give up 3 of those assets right now... which one do you keep? Are you still keeping Embiid even with the news of his injury?... or are you more confident in the other assets?

With the news as it is right now:
1. Embiid (Embiid is still the most important piece)
2. #3 2015 pick
3. Noel
4. 2016 76ers pick
5. 2016 Lakers pick
6. Saric


A few weeks from now, if they say Embiid has to sit out another year:
1. #3 2015 pick
2. 2016 76ers pick
3. Nerlens Noel
4. Joel Embiid
5. 2016 Laker's pick
6. Saric

Good to know. So right now at this very second if someone put a gun to your head and said, "Choose one to keep... Embiid or the #3 pick"... you keep Embiid?

Yes.

[BNelley24]

Anyone who thinks the Embiid thing was a smokescreen needs to grow up. I understand smokescreens do exist sometimes, but give me a break.

Leaking info that could potentially tarnish a player's reputation (injury-prone) is not the type of smokescreen a team would ever use. If it was a smokescreen imagine how PO'ed Embiid & his agent would be at the 76ers.

Ugh, this stuff

[Sportfan73]

Anyone who thinks the Embiid thing was a smokescreen needs to grow up. I understand smokescreens do exist sometimes, but give me a break.

Leaking info that could potentially tarnish a player's reputation (injury-prone) is not the type of smokescreen a team would ever use. If it was a smokescreen imagine how PO'ed Embiid & his agent would be at the 76ers.

Ugh, this stuff

Though I do agree with the thought that the smokescreen thing has been overblown, I don't think he would be as mad as you think, if Embiid is healthy he is a star, and a sixer for life.

[BNelley24]

Sportfan73, the NBA is a business. Saying his injury hasn't healed as fast as expected as a smokescreen tarnishes his image around the league & league executives. Basically if Embiid decided to play somewhere else, (and lets pretend the 76ers were smokescreening)...then what they said could potentially hurt the amount of $ he gets. There is not a chance in the world the 76ers would take a risk like that for a stupid smoke screen. If it was a smoke screen, which free agent would want to sign ehre when they risk their own team leaking fake stories about them. I mean jesus christ.

THERE IS NO WAY IN ABSOLUTE HELL this would be a smokescreen....My god. Why complicate things? Woj got a leak that Embiid might have some injury issues. 76ers then realized this info leaked so decided to release their own info since they figured fans would start to freak out. He just hasn't healed as fast as expected. Could this still be bad news? You're damn right....we'll see come next Fall how serious this is.

BUT STOP THE DAMN SMOKESCREEN BS.

Sorry to sound like a wack job, but I hate conspiracy theorists and **** along those lines it makes me sick.

[PaulGaston]

Sportfan73, the NBA is a business. Saying his injury hasn't healed as fast as expected as a smokescreen tarnishes his image around the league & league executives. Basically if Embiid decided to play somewhere else, (and lets pretend the 76ers were smokescreening)...then what they said could potentially hurt the amount of $ he gets. There is not a chance in the world the 76ers would take a risk like that for a stupid smoke screen. If it was a smoke screen, which free agent would want to sign ehre when they risk their own team leaking fake stories about them. I mean jesus christ.

THERE IS NO WAY IN ABSOLUTE HELL this would be a smokescreen....My god. Why complicate things? Woj got a leak that Embiid might have some injury issues. 76ers then realized this info leaked so decided to release their own info since they figured fans would start to freak out. He just hasn't healed as fast as expected. Could this still be bad news? You're damn right....we'll see come next Fall how serious this is.

BUT STOP THE DAMN SMOKESCREEN BS.

Sorry to sound like a wack job, but I hate conspiracy theorists and **** along those lines it makes me sick.

I'm a Celtic fan. I don't think the Embiid news is all that alarming. It all sounds like he was close to being activated, but after closely inspecting the injury they felt like he still wasn't ready. Since your team has repeatedly said Embiid would suit up for summer league, this definitely constitutes a "set back" if he misses it. Nothing I read suggests he's actually done for the year, though. Your own CEO hasn't even ruled him out of Summer League and that starts on July 12th.

I don't buy the idea that they intentionally leaked info with the goal of forming a smoke screen, but I do buy the idea that they are taking their time on disputing rumors while the idea that "Philly needs another big man" suits their draft positioning. I still think you guys clearly want Russell. It hasn't been a secret. Even if it's transparent and obvious, publicly showing signs of indecision can't really hurt.

One note, though. If the goal was to protect Embiid's fragile image, why would the team have leaked all that info about Embiid's work ethic and weight problems? Either your guess is that someone in the organization has gone rogue and leaked that... or the team intentionally leaked it to motivate the kid. Brett Brown himself made public comments about Embiid's work ethic. It doesn't really make sense to bash the kid publicly if they have any interest in trading him. Maybe you guys assume your front office is full-on stupid, though.

[BNelley24]

Besides the injury worry, my biggest concern with Embiid is just his overall feel for the game after not being involved for almost 2 years.

Football, for example, is really a sport where all you need to worry about is being healthy and using your athletic ability to run by people or tackle them. I played basketball my entire life. Bball is such a feel sport. It's one thing to be taking wide open spot up threes in the gym with no one gaurding you. Or backing down one of your coaches in a 1-1 drill. It is a whole other ballgame when you're out there 5-5 playing with guys who want & have the ability to actually gaurd you. Or taking jump shots @ full speed.

With Embiid particularly the kid hasn't played a lot of basketball in his life to begin with, so hypothetically if he missed this season because of a surgery or something I'd be just as concerned that it could take him a long time to get back to the level he was playing at before his injury.

I wouldn't be too worried if he misses summer league, it would seem like a proper cautionary move, however if come next fall he isn't suiting up with the team in practice, and doesn't play in the pre-season games...I'm all aboard the bust train.

[ZarcMumoff]

There's more to this world than the 76ers.

Speak for yourself

[MRxBLACK]

We'll hear something after the draft. Just have to stay calm until then. No use getting riled up about something that we have so little info on.

[TorturedFan76]

about the doctors
in the last 10 years the Sixers medical teams approved trades or signings of this players:
Webber , Brand and Bynum
I don't have any kind of fate in them based on that list alone

did Hinkie replaced the entire medical team when he came in?
I was under the impression that after the surgery the evaluation and healing process was being done by team medical team , am I wrong?
and if its the same people I just don't trust them

Embiid got his foot surgery before the draft. He's kept the same doctor the entire time. He's gone and seen him every month. Was not a Sixer doctor, the Sixers had literally nothing to do with picking him. He lives in Los Angeles, 3,000 miles away from Philadelphia.

They're now bringing in outside specialists. Again not Sixer doctors.

I can pretty much guarantee these specialists are different than the Webber, Brand, Bynum specialists because Webber and Bynum had knee injuries and Brand had Achilles and Shoulder injuries. So they probably saw knee and achilles and shoulder specialists. Joel obviously had a foot injury so he's probably seeing foot specialists.

Also a much more relevant example than Brand and Webber who happened a decade ago is Nerlens who was hurt just last year and he recovered fine.

Also I REALLY doubt that any of these specialists or "team doctors" (Who just have the Sixers as just one client and are actually senior people at Penn and Jeff who are literally some of the most respected doctors in the world) are just being used by the Sixers, they are probably leading experts in orthopedic surgery, and probably have a sample size significantly larger than 3 dudes over a 10 year period. So if they are quacks I assume they wouldn't keep getting these gigs.

Hope this alleviates your concern.

It could be the same as Brand's doctor. Theres not really achilles specialists. There are foot/ankle specialists. So theyd see both kinds of injuries we are talking about here. Though, of course, there may be a certain foot and ankle specialist who has done more or had more success with a particular injury such as achilles ruptures, or navicular fractures.
Anyway, Achilles injuries have come a long way since Brands. There is now evidence supporting not repairing at all. And athletes are getting back to playing in 6 months.
It used to be a surgery without question (for an athlete), and a longer recovery time.
So even if it does happen to be the same guy that saw Brand, hed have new knowledge and Ill bet his achilles patients are all having better outcomes these days.

[DavidHume]

Sportfan73, the NBA is a business. Saying his injury hasn't healed as fast as expected as a smokescreen tarnishes his image around the league & league executives. Basically if Embiid decided to play somewhere else, (and lets pretend the 76ers were smokescreening)...then what they said could potentially hurt the amount of $ he gets. There is not a chance in the world the 76ers would take a risk like that for a stupid smoke screen. If it was a smoke screen, which free agent would want to sign ehre when they risk their own team leaking fake stories about them. I mean jesus christ.

THERE IS NO WAY IN ABSOLUTE HELL this would be a smokescreen....My god. Why complicate things? Woj got a leak that Embiid might have some injury issues. 76ers then realized this info leaked so decided to release their own info since they figured fans would start to freak out. He just hasn't healed as fast as expected. Could this still be bad news? You're damn right....we'll see come next Fall how serious this is.

BUT STOP THE DAMN SMOKESCREEN BS.

Sorry to sound like a wack job, but I hate conspiracy theorists and **** along those lines it makes me sick.

I'm a Celtic fan. I don't think the Embiid news is all that alarming. It all sounds like he was close to being activated, but after closely inspecting the injury they felt like he still wasn't ready. Since your team has repeatedly said Embiid would suit up for summer league, this definitely constitutes a "set back" if he misses it. Nothing I read suggests he's actually done for the year, though. Your own CEO hasn't even ruled him out of Summer League and that starts on July 12th.

I don't buy the idea that they intentionally leaked info with the goal of forming a smoke screen, but I do buy the idea that they are taking their time on disputing rumors while the idea that "Philly needs another big man" suits their draft positioning. I still think you guys clearly want Russell. It hasn't been a secret. Even if it's transparent and obvious, publicly showing signs of indecision can't really hurt.

One note, though. If the goal was to protect Embiid's fragile image, why would the team have leaked all that info about Embiid's work ethic and weight problems? Either your guess is that someone in the organization has gone rogue and leaked that... or the team intentionally leaked it to motivate the kid. Brett Brown himself made public comments about Embiid's work ethic. It doesn't really make sense to bash the kid publicly if they have any interest in trading him. Maybe you guys assume your front office is full-on stupid, though.

1) Actually, Hinkie's draft day intentions ARE a secret.
2) Embiid's fragile image? That seems like a misreading.
3) There's no reason to think that Embiid had a weight problem or that any such thing was "leaked".

[James40]

Sportfan73, the NBA is a business. Saying his injury hasn't healed as fast as expected as a smokescreen tarnishes his image around the league & league executives. Basically if Embiid decided to play somewhere else, (and lets pretend the 76ers were smokescreening)...then what they said could potentially hurt the amount of $ he gets. There is not a chance in the world the 76ers would take a risk like that for a stupid smoke screen. If it was a smoke screen, which free agent would want to sign ehre when they risk their own team leaking fake stories about them. I mean jesus christ.

THERE IS NO WAY IN ABSOLUTE HELL this would be a smokescreen....My god. Why complicate things? Woj got a leak that Embiid might have some injury issues. 76ers then realized this info leaked so decided to release their own info since they figured fans would start to freak out. He just hasn't healed as fast as expected. Could this still be bad news? You're damn right....we'll see come next Fall how serious this is.

BUT STOP THE DAMN SMOKESCREEN BS.

Sorry to sound like a wack job, but I hate conspiracy theorists and **** along those lines it makes me sick.

I'm a Celtic fan. I don't think the Embiid news is all that alarming. It all sounds like he was close to being activated, but after closely inspecting the injury they felt like he still wasn't ready. Since your team has repeatedly said Embiid would suit up for summer league, this definitely constitutes a "set back" if he misses it. Nothing I read suggests he's actually done for the year, though. Your own CEO hasn't even ruled him out of Summer League and that starts on July 12th.

I don't buy the idea that they intentionally leaked info with the goal of forming a smoke screen, but I do buy the idea that they are taking their time on disputing rumors while the idea that "Philly needs another big man" suits their draft positioning. I still think you guys clearly want Russell. It hasn't been a secret. Even if it's transparent and obvious, publicly showing signs of indecision can't really hurt.

One note, though. If the goal was to protect Embiid's fragile image, why would the team have leaked all that info about Embiid's work ethic and weight problems? Either your guess is that someone in the organization has gone rogue and leaked that... or the team intentionally leaked it to motivate the kid. Brett Brown himself made public comments about Embiid's work ethic. It doesn't really make sense to bash the kid publicly if they have any interest in trading him. Maybe you guys assume your front office is full-on stupid, though.

1) Actually, Hinkie's draft day intentions ARE a secret.
2) Embiid's fragile image? That seems like a misreading.
3) There's no reason to think that Embiid had a weight problem or that any such thing was "leaked".

Maybe not a problem but he definitely got heavy, heavier than the Sixers would of liked or he wouldn't have been sent home from the road trip. He's a kid so it's not a big deal except keeping his weight in check is going to be a priority with his foot injury.

[PhilasFinest]

If you break your foot, and can't do anything but let it heal= your gonna gain weight.

Dude could want to workout/play ball all he wants, but breaking your foot would obviously hinder that ability.

I had back surgery 2 years ago, I gained like 12-15 lbs over the course of a few months after it. It wasn't because I was lazy, or eating like ****. It was because I simply couldn't move around and do the things/exercises i was used to doing.


If Embiid is fat and healthy at the same time, then ill start to worry about it

[DavidHume]

I'm a Celtic fan. I don't think the Embiid news is all that alarming. It all sounds like he was close to being activated, but after closely inspecting the injury they felt like he still wasn't ready. Since your team has repeatedly said Embiid would suit up for summer league, this definitely constitutes a "set back" if he misses it. Nothing I read suggests he's actually done for the year, though. Your own CEO hasn't even ruled him out of Summer League and that starts on July 12th.

I don't buy the idea that they intentionally leaked info with the goal of forming a smoke screen, but I do buy the idea that they are taking their time on disputing rumors while the idea that "Philly needs another big man" suits their draft positioning. I still think you guys clearly want Russell. It hasn't been a secret. Even if it's transparent and obvious, publicly showing signs of indecision can't really hurt.

One note, though. If the goal was to protect Embiid's fragile image, why would the team have leaked all that info about Embiid's work ethic and weight problems? Either your guess is that someone in the organization has gone rogue and leaked that... or the team intentionally leaked it to motivate the kid. Brett Brown himself made public comments about Embiid's work ethic. It doesn't really make sense to bash the kid publicly if they have any interest in trading him. Maybe you guys assume your front office is full-on stupid, though.

1) Actually, Hinkie's draft day intentions ARE a secret.
2) Embiid's fragile image? That seems like a misreading.
3) There's no reason to think that Embiid had a weight problem or that any such thing was "leaked".

Maybe not a problem but he definitely got heavy, heavier than the Sixers would of liked or he wouldn't have been sent home from the road trip. He's a kid so it's not a big deal except keeping his weight in check is going to be a priority with his foot injury.

To be clear, I was referring to the "report" containing "info" that the Sixers "leaked", which was that he was 300 lbs.

[M3]

If you break your foot, and can't do anything but let it heal= your gonna gain weight.

Dude could want to workout/play ball all he wants, but breaking your foot would obviously hinder that ability.

I had back surgery 2 years ago, I gained like 12-15 lbs over the course of a few months after it. It wasn't because I was lazy, or eating like ****. It was because I simply couldn't move around and do the things/exercises i was used to doing.


If Embiid is fat and healthy at the same time, then ill start to worry about it

Not always, that's what strength coaches and athletic trainers are for. He could the arm bike, rope exercises, swim, anti-gravity treadmill, lift, and more to stay in shape.
I don't think weight was the issue, like I said before the navicular is typically slow to heal and the bone is in a spot where the foundation is it place but just hasn't filled in like it needs to at this time.

[PaulGaston]

Didn't his surgery happen 1 year ago this week? At the time, the doctor said in some cases it can take a full year to heal. No sense in risking it a couple weeks from now in Summer league. MIght as well just wait another 3-4 months until the start of pre-season/regular season. Your team hasn't confirmed or denied much, but I would lean towards cautious optimism right now.

[LloydFree]

Didn't his surgery happen 1 year ago this week? At the time, the doctor said in some cases it can take a full year to heal. No sense in risking it a couple weeks from now in Summer league. MIght as well just wait another 3-4 months until the start of pre-season/regular season. Your team hasn't confirmed or denied much, but I would lean towards cautious optimism right now.

They aren't going to confirm or deny anything about this until after the draft. They don't have any advantage to gain by letting the competition know their needs.

[phillthy13]

Saw Embiid at Rumor last night in Philly and he was dancing, jumping around like there wasn't national media talking about his foot just last week...He actually said "I'm cool, don't believe the media".

He looked fine, wasn't limping or anything - Now I'm not dumb enough to think if he's good enough to go out, dance and act wild then that means he can suit up and play..BUT..you have to think if he's getting thumbs up to go out and have fun without any limits, then hopefully good news is on its way post-draft.

[tk76]

Dancing?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rk-yyKyvlc