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Re: Official Caris LeVert Thread 

Post#641 » by NyCeEvO » Sat Jan 7, 2017 6:49 am

Well, I guess I know whose jersey I'm going to buy. It'll be the first Brooklyn jersey that I've purchased for myself.
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Re: Official Caris LeVert Thread 

Post#642 » by jrob23 » Sat Jan 7, 2017 6:56 am

Zachbretton wrote:This. Kid. Can. Ball.

seriously, I keep saying it. He has such amazing BBIQ. This kid has a chance to really develop into something special. I love how Kenny has been ramping him up and giving him more minutes as time goes on. He's getting to ease into the game more and more.

Count me in on LeVert


He's a stud. Nothing he can't do. Dribble drive, pass, mid-range, deep, back to the basket, BBIQ, defense. What more could you want out of a SG. He's got elite size/length on top of it. You took the gamble (though it sounded like he was cleared so G.M.s can't use that excuse) like you should have and it worked out. I'll take the high floor low ceiling over the high floor low ceiling guys all day. I remember feeling the same way you must feel when we drafted Pierce. I couldn't believe he fell and we got a future Hall of Famer. Not saying LeVert is on that level but still, it's must feel good being able to land a talented guy after trading all those picks away and thinking you were potentially screwed for a long time. He and Zizic are examples of why I felt the 2016 draft was strong/deep. They're both lottery talents taken much later.
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Re: Official Caris LeVert Thread 

Post#643 » by Chuck Everett » Sat Jan 7, 2017 7:07 am

This kid needs as much minutes as he can humanly stand. He is a basketball player. He also looks hella big out there for a SG.
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Re: Official Caris LeVert Thread 

Post#644 » by antique0o0 » Sat Jan 7, 2017 10:53 am

shakendfries wrote:
antique0o0 wrote:No surprise, LeVert is more promising than RHJ.


They play different roles, both essential

LV is our Klay Jr - shooter, uses length to get in passing lanes,
RHJ is our Iggy Jr - defensive stopper, gets to the line

Most importantly, they're both capable distributors so the ball rarely stops with them

We're not winning without individuals playing both roles


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Offensively, LeVert can do whatever RHJ can do in a much better way. He can go to the rim, he can shoot, he handles the ball much better, he has much better court vision. He has much better basketball IQ.
Defensively, they are of the same height. LeVert is relatively skinny but he's also relatively quicker. He'll be much more stronger if given enough time. He could be better than RHJ defensively in the future.

The Major differences between LeVert and RHJ are basketball IQ and body coordination. Those two things are hard to develop.

LeVert is different from Klay, he handles the ball much much better. Klay shoots better and is stronger. They plays in different way.
Iggy is crafty. RHJ has nothing in common with Iggy.

The ball rarely stops in LeVert's hand. But it stops a lot in RHJ's hands. RHJ forces lots of his shots.
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Re: Official Caris LeVert Thread 

Post#645 » by MrDollarBills » Sat Jan 7, 2017 12:24 pm

antique0o0 wrote:
shakendfries wrote:
antique0o0 wrote:No surprise, LeVert is more promising than RHJ.


They play different roles, both essential

LV is our Klay Jr - shooter, uses length to get in passing lanes,
RHJ is our Iggy Jr - defensive stopper, gets to the line

Most importantly, they're both capable distributors so the ball rarely stops with them

We're not winning without individuals playing both roles


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Offensively, LeVert can do whatever RHJ can do in a much better way. He can go to the rim, he can shoot, he handles the ball much better, he has much better court vision. He has much better basketball IQ.
Defensively, they are of the same height. LeVert is relatively skinny but he's also relatively quicker. He'll be much more stronger if given enough time. He could be better than RHJ defensively in the future.

The Major differences between LeVert and RHJ are basketball IQ and body coordination. Those two things are hard to develop.

LeVert is different from Klay, he handles the ball much much better. Klay shoots better and is stronger. They plays in different way.
Iggy is crafty. RHJ has nothing in common with Iggy.

The ball rarely stops in LeVert's hand. But it stops a lot in RHJ's hands. RHJ forces lots of his shots.


I'm not sure what's the point of this? We knew that LeVert was more skilled than RHJ coming out of college, this is like saying that water is wet. They're both apart of this team's future, it's not a pissing contest.
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Re: Official Caris LeVert Thread 

Post#646 » by MrDollarBills » Sat Jan 7, 2017 12:28 pm

Paradise wrote:LeVert made Dawkins highlights. :o




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This was the breakout game that I said was coming. :lol:

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Re: Official Caris LeVert Thread 

Post#647 » by antique0o0 » Sat Jan 7, 2017 1:29 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
antique0o0 wrote:
shakendfries wrote:
They play different roles, both essential

LV is our Klay Jr - shooter, uses length to get in passing lanes,
RHJ is our Iggy Jr - defensive stopper, gets to the line

Most importantly, they're both capable distributors so the ball rarely stops with them

We're not winning without individuals playing both roles


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Offensively, LeVert can do whatever RHJ can do in a much better way. He can go to the rim, he can shoot, he handles the ball much better, he has much better court vision. He has much better basketball IQ.
Defensively, they are of the same height. LeVert is relatively skinny but he's also relatively quicker. He'll be much more stronger if given enough time. He could be better than RHJ defensively in the future.

The Major differences between LeVert and RHJ are basketball IQ and body coordination. Those two things are hard to develop.

LeVert is different from Klay, he handles the ball much much better. Klay shoots better and is stronger. They plays in different way.
Iggy is crafty. RHJ has nothing in common with Iggy.

The ball rarely stops in LeVert's hand. But it stops a lot in RHJ's hands. RHJ forces lots of his shots.


I'm not sure what's the point of this? We knew that LeVert was more skilled than RHJ coming out of college, this is like saying that water is wet. They're both apart of this team's future, it's not a pissing contest.

They play the same position. If player development is the emphasis for the Nets this season, they should prioritize LeVert before RHJ. Nets have given RHJ enough opportunities. Now those opportunities should be given to LeVert.
LeVert is part of this team in the future. RHJ maybe not.
LeVert, Harris, Bojan, and RHJ basically play the same position, if Atkinson gives LeVert more minutes, whose minutes will be cut?
Most NBA stats aren't credible. At most times the people who interprets those data are biased, or the data themselves are flawed. Basketball is just too complicated with so many uncontrollable variables.
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Post#648 » by Ror1997 » Sat Jan 7, 2017 2:12 pm

LeVert is just making all the people who refused to reserve judgment on the Thad Young trade look silly.
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Post#649 » by shakendfries » Sat Jan 7, 2017 2:51 pm

antique0o0 wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
antique0o0 wrote:Offensively, LeVert can do whatever RHJ can do in a much better way. He can go to the rim, he can shoot, he handles the ball much better, he has much better court vision. He has much better basketball IQ.
Defensively, they are of the same height. LeVert is relatively skinny but he's also relatively quicker. He'll be much more stronger if given enough time. He could be better than RHJ defensively in the future.

The Major differences between LeVert and RHJ are basketball IQ and body coordination. Those two things are hard to develop.

LeVert is different from Klay, he handles the ball much much better. Klay shoots better and is stronger. They plays in different way.
Iggy is crafty. RHJ has nothing in common with Iggy.

The ball rarely stops in LeVert's hand. But it stops a lot in RHJ's hands. RHJ forces lots of his shots.


I'm not sure what's the point of this? We knew that LeVert was more skilled than RHJ coming out of college, this is like saying that water is wet. They're both apart of this team's future, it's not a pissing contest.

They play the same position. If player development is the emphasis for the Nets this season, they should prioritize LeVert before RHJ. Nets have given RHJ enough opportunities. Now those opportunities should be given to LeVert.
LeVert is part of this team in the future. RHJ maybe not.
LeVert, Harris, Bojan, and RHJ basically play the same position, if Atkinson gives LeVert more minutes, whose minutes will be cut?


I don't think you're very knowledgeable about basketball if you think LeVert and Rondae play the same position....and you don't see the value of a defensive stopper...and you think in a vacuum a one way shooter is more valuable than a one way defender.


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Re: Official Caris LeVert Thread 

Post#650 » by All Nets » Sat Jan 7, 2017 3:37 pm

Very encouraged by last night's game. Still too early to make a judgment on him imo. His game is so smooth for a rookie, hell even just for an NBA player of any experience but gotta give time for teams to scout him. He hasn't shown enough of his game to be labeled a dribble drive threat, a pure shooting threat, etc... From what I can tell he can do a little bit of everything, which is great, but it has to be sustained.
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Post#651 » by antique0o0 » Sat Jan 7, 2017 3:48 pm

shakendfries wrote:
antique0o0 wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
I'm not sure what's the point of this? We knew that LeVert was more skilled than RHJ coming out of college, this is like saying that water is wet. They're both apart of this team's future, it's not a pissing contest.

They play the same position. If player development is the emphasis for the Nets this season, they should prioritize LeVert before RHJ. Nets have given RHJ enough opportunities. Now those opportunities should be given to LeVert.
LeVert is part of this team in the future. RHJ maybe not.
LeVert, Harris, Bojan, and RHJ basically play the same position, if Atkinson gives LeVert more minutes, whose minutes will be cut?


I don't think you're very knowledgeable about basketball if you think LeVert and Rondae play the same position....and you don't see the value of a defensive stopper...and you think in a vacuum a one way shooter is more valuable than a one way defender.


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LeVert plays 2 or 3. If he bulks up in the future, he'll be at the 3 more. He's not a one way shooter. Offensively, he can do a lot. Defensively, he's solid.
RHJ's natural position is 3. He won't be able to survive at 4.

I do see the value of a defensive stopper. I like defensive players who are offensively functional. RHJ isn't functional offensively, and that's why Atkinson benched him and put him at 4 for a couple of minutes each game.
If Atkinson decided to give some RHJ's minutes to LeVert, I will not be surprised.
Most NBA stats aren't credible. At most times the people who interprets those data are biased, or the data themselves are flawed. Basketball is just too complicated with so many uncontrollable variables.
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Re: Official Caris LeVert Thread 

Post#652 » by MrDollarBills » Sat Jan 7, 2017 3:49 pm

antique0o0 wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
antique0o0 wrote:Offensively, LeVert can do whatever RHJ can do in a much better way. He can go to the rim, he can shoot, he handles the ball much better, he has much better court vision. He has much better basketball IQ.
Defensively, they are of the same height. LeVert is relatively skinny but he's also relatively quicker. He'll be much more stronger if given enough time. He could be better than RHJ defensively in the future.

The Major differences between LeVert and RHJ are basketball IQ and body coordination. Those two things are hard to develop.

LeVert is different from Klay, he handles the ball much much better. Klay shoots better and is stronger. They plays in different way.
Iggy is crafty. RHJ has nothing in common with Iggy.

The ball rarely stops in LeVert's hand. But it stops a lot in RHJ's hands. RHJ forces lots of his shots.


I'm not sure what's the point of this? We knew that LeVert was more skilled than RHJ coming out of college, this is like saying that water is wet. They're both apart of this team's future, it's not a pissing contest.

They play the same position. If player development is the emphasis for the Nets this season, they should prioritize LeVert before RHJ. Nets have given RHJ enough opportunities. Now those opportunities should be given to LeVert.
LeVert is part of this team in the future. RHJ maybe not.
LeVert, Harris, Bojan, and RHJ basically play the same position, if Atkinson gives LeVert more minutes, whose minutes will be cut?


They're both wing players but they both have different roles. RHJ is more of a dirty work, tony allen type. LeVert looks like he's going to be a 20 5 5 player. There is no logical reason why both of them a) can't get a healthy amount of time and b) play together since both of their games compliment each other since they are willing passers and both of them can defend the perimeter.

Seems like you have an agenda towards RHJ more than anything. You didn't provide anything logical or rational as to why the Nets should just stop working with RHJ now because LeVert is breaking out. I want them both on this team we need guys that compete on the defensive end.

Giving up on a 21-22 year old player...i'll stop here. It's just silly.
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Re: Official Caris LeVert Thread 

Post#653 » by MrDollarBills » Sat Jan 7, 2017 3:50 pm

antique0o0 wrote:
shakendfries wrote:
antique0o0 wrote:They play the same position. If player development is the emphasis for the Nets this season, they should prioritize LeVert before RHJ. Nets have given RHJ enough opportunities. Now those opportunities should be given to LeVert.
LeVert is part of this team in the future. RHJ maybe not.
LeVert, Harris, Bojan, and RHJ basically play the same position, if Atkinson gives LeVert more minutes, whose minutes will be cut?


I don't think you're very knowledgeable about basketball if you think LeVert and Rondae play the same position....and you don't see the value of a defensive stopper...and you think in a vacuum a one way shooter is more valuable than a one way defender.


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LeVert plays 2 or 3. If he bulks up in the future, he'll be at the 3 more. He's not a one way shooter. Offensively, he can do a lot. Defensively, he's solid.
RHJ's natural position is 3. He won't be able to survive at 4.

I do see the value of a defensive stopper. I like defensive players who are offensively functional. RHJ isn't functional offensively, and that's why Atkinson benched him and put him at 4 for a couple of minutes each game.
If Atkinson decided to give some RHJ's minutes to LeVert, I will not be surprised.


RHJ was not benched, and in fact outside of last game where he was coming off of an injury, his play has ticked upward. Please use intellectually honest arguments if you're going to try to discredit players.
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Post#654 » by antique0o0 » Sat Jan 7, 2017 4:09 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
antique0o0 wrote:
shakendfries wrote:
I don't think you're very knowledgeable about basketball if you think LeVert and Rondae play the same position....and you don't see the value of a defensive stopper...and you think in a vacuum a one way shooter is more valuable than a one way defender.


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LeVert plays 2 or 3. If he bulks up in the future, he'll be at the 3 more. He's not a one way shooter. Offensively, he can do a lot. Defensively, he's solid.
RHJ's natural position is 3. He won't be able to survive at 4.

I do see the value of a defensive stopper. I like defensive players who are offensively functional. RHJ isn't functional offensively, and that's why Atkinson benched him and put him at 4 for a couple of minutes each game.
If Atkinson decided to give some RHJ's minutes to LeVert, I will not be surprised.


RHJ was not benched, and in fact outside of last game where he was coming off of an injury, his play has ticked upward. Please use intellectually honest arguments if you're going to try to discredit players.

By bench, I mean Atkinson moved him to the bench. At the beginning of this season, he was starting.
I didn't mean DNP. He was never DNP. Although, there were times I wished Atkinson didn't play him at all. Another day, a fan argued with me that RHJ will be back at the starting lineup soon...

I have no agenda against RHJ. I think what he did on the court didn't earned him those opportunities. The Nets have 4 wing players, all of them need minutes,but nobody can give them good amount of time at the same time. LeVert showed what he can do with limited minutes. RHJ didn't. Why not give those opportunities to LeVert?
Most NBA stats aren't credible. At most times the people who interprets those data are biased, or the data themselves are flawed. Basketball is just too complicated with so many uncontrollable variables.
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Post#655 » by shakendfries » Sat Jan 7, 2017 4:21 pm

antique0o0 wrote:
shakendfries wrote:
antique0o0 wrote:They play the same position. If player development is the emphasis for the Nets this season, they should prioritize LeVert before RHJ. Nets have given RHJ enough opportunities. Now those opportunities should be given to LeVert.
LeVert is part of this team in the future. RHJ maybe not.
LeVert, Harris, Bojan, and RHJ basically play the same position, if Atkinson gives LeVert more minutes, whose minutes will be cut?


I don't think you're very knowledgeable about basketball if you think LeVert and Rondae play the same position....and you don't see the value of a defensive stopper...and you think in a vacuum a one way shooter is more valuable than a one way defender.


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LeVert plays 2 or 3. If he bulks up in the future, he'll be at the 3 more. He's not a one way shooter. Offensively, he can do a lot. Defensively, he's solid.
RHJ's natural position is 3. He won't be able to survive at 4.

I do see the value of a defensive stopper. I like defensive players who are offensively functional. RHJ isn't functional offensively, and that's why Atkinson benched him and put him at 4 for a couple of minutes each game.
If Atkinson decided to give some RHJ's minutes to LeVert, I will not be surprised.


...LeVert is a 2 who played the 1 in college. He doesn't have the strength or skill to defend the 3.
Rondae is a 3 who can switch 1-4 and generally hold his own. He's not gonna stop Aldridge or Milsap in the paint for 48 minutes, but will perform pretty well against them outside the paint.

Tony Allen isn't functional offensively.
Igoudolla isn't functional offensively.
Dennis Rodman wasn't functional offensively.
Bruce Bowen wasn't functional offensively.

3/4 are future HOFers and all had 10+ year successful NBA careers.

Why? It's a lot tougher to find players with elite defensive skill than it is to find one way offensive players. Players who aspire to fit the Korver mold are good to have, but there's a reason there's at least one one way offensive player called up from the D-League each season.

Firstly, it's shortsighted for you to be outraged about the shortcomings of a player in their first few seasons if you refuse to acknowledge their progress or development along the way. Secondly, it's unfair for you to paint one player in a negative light for being one way defensively, if you're not calling out the a player who plays more minutes, is a lot older & even considered a professional basketball veteran, is fighting for the right to earn a bigger contract, is one way offensively, and hasn't done anything to prevent the Nets from being the worst team in the NBA.
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Post#656 » by antique0o0 » Sat Jan 7, 2017 5:39 pm

shakendfries wrote:
antique0o0 wrote:
shakendfries wrote:
I don't think you're very knowledgeable about basketball if you think LeVert and Rondae play the same position....and you don't see the value of a defensive stopper...and you think in a vacuum a one way shooter is more valuable than a one way defender.


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LeVert plays 2 or 3. If he bulks up in the future, he'll be at the 3 more. He's not a one way shooter. Offensively, he can do a lot. Defensively, he's solid.
RHJ's natural position is 3. He won't be able to survive at 4.

I do see the value of a defensive stopper. I like defensive players who are offensively functional. RHJ isn't functional offensively, and that's why Atkinson benched him and put him at 4 for a couple of minutes each game.
If Atkinson decided to give some RHJ's minutes to LeVert, I will not be surprised.


...LeVert is a 2 who played the 1 in college. He doesn't have the strength or skill to defend the 3.
Rondae is a 3 who can switch 1-4 and generally hold his own. He's not gonna stop Aldridge or Milsap in the paint for 48 minutes, but will perform pretty well against them outside the paint.

Tony Allen isn't functional offensively.
Igoudolla isn't functional offensively.
Dennis Rodman wasn't functional offensively.
Bruce Bowen wasn't functional offensively.

3/4 are future HOFers and all had 10+ year successful NBA careers.

Why? It's a lot tougher to find players with elite defensive skill than it is to find one way offensive players. Players who aspire to fit the Korver mold are good to have, but there's a reason there's at least one one way offensive player called up from the D-League each season.

Firstly, it's shortsighted for you to be outraged about the shortcomings of a player in their first few seasons if you refuse to acknowledge their progress or development along the way. Secondly, it's unfair for you to paint one player in a negative light for being one way defensively, if you're not calling out the a player who plays more minutes, is a lot older & even considered a professional basketball veteran, is fighting for the right to earn a bigger contract, is one way offensively, and hasn't done anything to prevent the Nets from being the worst team in the NBA.

RHJ's defense isn't as good as those elite defender. And his offense is much worse.
Those 4 players are pretty functional offensively, especially Allen and Iguodala. They either could finishe under the rim or pass or find easy shots. None of those 4 elite defender shoots under 40%. RHJ shoots at 38% and he shoot more than 3/4 of them. Even Roberson from OKC has higher field goal percentage than RHJ, and he took less shots too. RHJ is a bad scorer, and what make it worse is that he loves to take shots. From the first game this season to this day, I didn't see RHJ's progress at all. Whitehead progressed. LeVert progressed.
RHJ can guard 2 and 3 naturally. He can slide to guard 1 or 4 for a minute or two, not any longer.
LeVert can guard 2, he can guard 3 too if the opponent 3 isn't too strong.
I'm not outraged. I just don't like RHJ. His offense is as hopeless as Bogs' defense. I gave up Bogs much earlier than I gave up RHJ.
Some of RHJ and Bogs' minutes should be given to LeVert. By the end of this season, LeVert may become a starter if given the opportunity.
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Re: Official Caris LeVert Thread 

Post#657 » by Claud » Sat Jan 7, 2017 6:46 pm

I don't know how good he will end up being but the one thing I absolutely love about this kid is his off the charts BBIQ on both ends plus his defense is already really good. Crazy considering how much time he's missed with injuries.
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Post#658 » by shakendfries » Sat Jan 7, 2017 6:49 pm

antique0o0 wrote:
shakendfries wrote:
antique0o0 wrote:LeVert plays 2 or 3. If he bulks up in the future, he'll be at the 3 more. He's not a one way shooter. Offensively, he can do a lot. Defensively, he's solid.
RHJ's natural position is 3. He won't be able to survive at 4.

I do see the value of a defensive stopper. I like defensive players who are offensively functional. RHJ isn't functional offensively, and that's why Atkinson benched him and put him at 4 for a couple of minutes each game.
If Atkinson decided to give some RHJ's minutes to LeVert, I will not be surprised.


...LeVert is a 2 who played the 1 in college. He doesn't have the strength or skill to defend the 3.
Rondae is a 3 who can switch 1-4 and generally hold his own. He's not gonna stop Aldridge or Milsap in the paint for 48 minutes, but will perform pretty well against them outside the paint.

Tony Allen isn't functional offensively.
Igoudolla isn't functional offensively.
Dennis Rodman wasn't functional offensively.
Bruce Bowen wasn't functional offensively.

3/4 are future HOFers and all had 10+ year successful NBA careers.

Why? It's a lot tougher to find players with elite defensive skill than it is to find one way offensive players. Players who aspire to fit the Korver mold are good to have, but there's a reason there's at least one one way offensive player called up from the D-League each season.

Firstly, it's shortsighted for you to be outraged about the shortcomings of a player in their first few seasons if you refuse to acknowledge their progress or development along the way. Secondly, it's unfair for you to paint one player in a negative light for being one way defensively, if you're not calling out the a player who plays more minutes, is a lot older & even considered a professional basketball veteran, is fighting for the right to earn a bigger contract, is one way offensively, and hasn't done anything to prevent the Nets from being the worst team in the NBA.

RHJ's defense isn't as good as those elite defender. And his offense is much worse.
Those 4 players are pretty functional offensively, especially Allen and Iguodala. They either could finishe under the rim or pass or find easy shots. None of those 4 elite defender shoots under 40%. RHJ shoots at 38% and he shoot more than 3/4 of them. Even Roberson from OKC has higher field goal percentage than RHJ, and he took less shots too. RHJ is a bad scorer, and what make it worse is that he loves to take shots. From the first game this season to this day, I didn't see RHJ's progress at all. Whitehead progressed. LeVert progressed.
RHJ can guard 2 and 3 naturally. He can slide to guard 1 or 4 for a minute or two, not any longer.
LeVert can guard 2, he can guard 3 too if the opponent 3 isn't too strong.
I'm not outraged. I just don't like RHJ. His offense is as hopeless as Bogs' defense. I gave up Bogs much earlier than I gave up RHJ.
Some of RHJ and Bogs' minutes should be given to LeVert. By the end of this season, LeVert may become a starter if given the opportunity.


This entire post is so wildly ignorant I don't even know where to begin

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Re: Official Caris LeVert Thread 

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