Political Roundtable Part XV

[stilldropin20]

Just off the top of my head, "My inauguration crowd was bigger than Obama's," "Obama ordered that Trump tower be wiretapped," "I would have won the popular vote if 3 million people hadn't voted illegally."

All three of those are preposterous lies. You need two more? "My penis is large." "It's totally ok to sexually assault women."

"more people...around the world... viewed...the inauguration" is the terminology I saw originally. and it looks correct. not a lie.

Obama administration DID IN FACT, surveille Paul Manafort and attained the warrant via Fisa court-that means that either susan Rice, comey or clapper (or all 3?) ordered the fisa warrant. That's as high up as it goes in terms of "obama." I highly highly highly highly doubt Obama himself wasnt briefed. This likely went via the DNC to Rice and Obama directly. Rice will likely fall on her sword if asked though. Manafort did(still does?) during the campaign have an apt at Trump tower. Trump owns trump tower. Conversations between trump and manafort appear to be surveilled and recorded. leaked even!!! yet, the damn fisa warrant is sealed!!!!!

In term of voting. I'm from chicago. When I voted, i walked right in and voted. No ID. Nothing. they didn't even ask me if I was american or what my name was. I assume its like this everywhere. And I say why!!!!!!!!! we're so damn worried about russia employing some catfish hack on facebook with fake news!!! yet we dont even ask for ID"S at the voting booth!!!!!!!!????? Are you effing kidding me!!!!!??????? Seriously!!!!!!!!

I cant even imagine what, in God's green earth, are we so damn worried about Russia hacking an election from the left and the left doesn't want voter reform. we dont even need an ID to vote!!?? I mean, not only is a valid and current ID necessary but so should fingerprinting frankly (a thumb). half of you use your thumb prints to use our iphone and have a 20 character password on your venmo account before you send your buddy $7.50 for half thepizza last night yet you can walk in and vote in this country with out a damn ID??? and then you want to get you panties in a bundle over some russian boilerroom catfish BS on facebook spreading fake news!!??? Gimme a break. let's start with valid ID's to vote then i know you are at least (somewhat) serious about protecting out election process. My gawwwwd!!! Common sense goes a long way, sometimes. Until then?? we dont know who is voting.

imo opinion electronic voting with thumb prints on an unhackable network is absolutely necessary. people can still show up to vote but that they too needs ID's with e thumb print.

In terms of sexual assault? again, more far left fauxrage (i coined this on facebook about 4 years ago, feel free to use) over BS locker room talk. I've been on realgm for 16 years. I've seen and read worse from nearly everyone of you. and if it wasn't you that said it. you laughed at it. and we haven't even had a beer together. Billionaire's tend to have NO trouble attracting women. just the way it is in a capitalistic/materialistic society. never heard anything about trump about any of this until october 2016. Is he another rich jackass troll? I'm quite sure he is. they all are. every. damn. one. of. them. so, im not going to hold him to any kind of higher standard. they all suck as human beings. Barrack Obama ordered nearly 2500 drone strikes. Women and children died in those drone strikes. Being president. Its a dirty frickin job, man. very dirty. get over it!

[dckingsfan]

@stilldropin

Once Americans stop believing Trump, they will slowly stop listening to him. Democrats are solidly in this camp already - it doesn't matter what he says, they don't believe it and won't follow him.

What should be more concerning to Trump is those that either voted for him or sat out the election. As he loses them he loses his mandate to govern. And that group is solidly moving toward distrust.

The ramifications are:
- Midterm elections
- Getting legislation through congress - congress is moving quickly into the do not trust category
- Executing foreign policy - foreign learders are moving or have moved into the do not trust category
- Economic expansion - business leaders have mostly moved into the do not trust category and are withholding their economic expansion plans

And lastly the future - if we are good with this president being a pathological liar, what about the next president. Maybe a president whose policies with which you don't agree.

So, take a deep reflection before you dismiss the liar tag that has been placed on this president. You might find the direction doesn't fit your interests or intent.

[stilldropin20]

See this post is why I asked a question. You should be embarrassed. any body who agrees with this post as identifiying things trump has lied about should equally be embarrassed. Because none of these are even statements "to be fact checked," let alone considered lies. These are opinion statements. Come on. I gave you one. "Mexico is going to pay for it." And its NOT even a lie yet!!! the damn wall isn't even approved to be built!!!! but when it is approved (and he is likely going to get his wall)it will likely be a lie that mexico is going to pay for it...even if he alters future trade agreements with mexico and gets retroactive funding for the wall later I will still cave and call it a lie. But "drain the swamp!!!""" this is an opinion statement. It's fact check proof. In half of the american people right now think he is doing just that, attempting to drain the swamp: which could mean a variety of things. To me it means doing things differently with a different approach and helping to get people out or out of the way of the new approach and trump is certainly doing things differently.

What the h*ll are you talking about?? Trump said “I’m going to drain the swamp,” which is a statement not an opinion. Saying “I think the swamp needs to be drained” would be an opinion.

I’m finding it harder and harder to believe that you’re a dentist, a licensed real estate and that you hold a doctorate degree, as you claim. Because you say some ignorant stuff.

in my defense, its tough to entertain all the B.S. small ball politics going on here to get people into talking about big ball politics. And the small ball players tend to have small minds so you just might not get it or be interested in it. my calculus and gymnastics move quick and cover a lot of ground compounded by the fact that i have the patience of a 2 years old so i dont explain myself well at all. I'm looking for the person that already understands what I understand (agree with me or not) so we can have big ball conversation. Are you him/her???

[Ruzious]

See this post is why I asked a question. You should be embarrassed. any body who agrees with this post as identifiying things trump has lied about should equally be embarrassed. Because none of these are even statements "to be fact checked," let alone considered lies. These are opinion statements. Come on. I gave you one. "Mexico is going to pay for it." And its NOT even a lie yet!!! the damn wall isn't even approved to be built!!!! but when it is approved (and he is likely going to get his wall)it will likely be a lie that mexico is going to pay for it...even if he alters future trade agreements with mexico and gets retroactive funding for the wall later I will still cave and call it a lie. But "drain the swamp!!!""" this is an opinion statement. It's fact check proof. In half of the american people right now think he is doing just that, attempting to drain the swamp: which could mean a variety of things. To me it means doing things differently with a different approach and helping to get people out or out of the way of the new approach and trump is certainly doing things differently.

C'mon SD. You didn't have to give us one. It is what it is. Firstly, I doubt it's ever gonna pass, because it's a really stupid idea. Second, it would never be paid for by Mexico. It's in the budget, because... the plan is have the US government to pay for it. And putting an import tax just means it's making things more expensive for Americans to buy. He was talking out of his arse when he said Mexico will pay for it, and he does that way too often. He makes things up and expects he and his people to come up with ways to make them not seem like lies. If that doesn't work, he's a master deflector - taking the attention away by doing or saying something else outrageous. That's the whole purpose of their attacks on the media. Deflect deflect deflect. It's completely... unethical, immoral, disgusting... just plain f'n wrong. And that's his modus operandi.

And getting back to the wall... look what's just happened with natural disasters. Mexico came to Texas' aid when Texas needed them. If the wall was there, it'd probably severely exaserbate flooding problems and prevent Mexico from helping, and it'd turn a friend into an enemy. Btw, Mexico helped Texas more than the US helped Mexico - when Mexico had disasterous eathquakes. How f'n stupid are we that we're planning on building a wall? Very f'n stupid.

Very f'n stupid combined with wrong, unethical, immoral... probably isn't good for our country.

[stilldropin20]

@stilldropin

Once Americans stop believing Trump, they will slowly stop listening to him. Democrats are solidly in this camp already - it doesn't matter what he says, they don't believe it and won't follow him.

What should be more concerning to Trump is those that either voted for him or sat out the election. As he loses them he loses his mandate to govern. And that group is solidly moving toward distrust.

The ramifications are:
- Midterm elections
- Getting legislation through congress - congress is moving quickly into the do not trust category
- Executing foreign policy - foreign learders are moving or have moved into the do not trust category
- Economic expansion - business leaders have mostly moved into the do not trust category and are withholding their economic expansion plans

And lastly the future - if we are good with this president being a pathological liar, what about the next president. Maybe a president whose policies with which you don't agree.

So, take a deep reflection before you dismiss the liar tag that has been placed on this president. You might find the direction doesn't fit your interests or intent.

The truth!!!!!! the truth!!!!!!!! the truth!!!!!!! Finally

let me translate for the small ball players.

the far left is just doing everything it can to discredit president trump. and will go so far as to even attempt to impeach him. That's what you are saying. But to your credit you are at least using logic and decent calculus to explain your position. so I'll get back to you on these. In 10 pages since i jumped in this is about the only far left post worth responding to in that at least you have some calculus behind it. as opposed to GTN and a few others just blabbering on. thank you. i will put some thought into it and get back to this one later.

[TGW]

Guys...that dude is a troll. Clearly. No point arguing with it.

[Wizardspride]

Just off the top of my head, "My inauguration crowd was bigger than Obama's," "Obama ordered that Trump tower be wiretapped," "I would have won the popular vote if 3 million people hadn't voted illegally."

All three of those are preposterous lies. You need two more? "My penis is large." "It's totally ok to sexually assault women."

"more people...around the world... viewed...the inauguration" is the terminology I saw originally. and it looks correct. not a lie.

Obama administration DID IN FACT, surveille Paul Manafort and attained the warrant via Fisa court-that means that either susan Rice, comey or clapper (or all 3?) ordered the fisa warrant. That's as high up as it goes in terms of "obama." I highly highly highly highly doubt Obama himself wasnt briefed. This likely went via the DNC to Rice and Obama directly. Rice will likely fall on her sword if asked though. Manafort did(still does?) during the campaign have an apt at Trump tower. Trump owns trump tower. Conversations between trump and manafort appear to be surveilled and recorded. leaked even!!! yet, the damn fisa warrant is sealed!!!!!

And why do you think Manafort was being surveilled?


Is it possible Manafort actually did something to bring the attention of the authorities?

[cammac]

HALIFAX—The Nova Scotia government says it will make the abortion pill available to women at no cost.
Kelly Regan, the minister responsible for the status of women, said Friday the province was “supporting more choice for women” by making Mifegymiso available by prescription starting in November.
The drug combination can medically terminate an early pregnancy of up to 49 days.
“This is important for me because I believe and this government believes in the reproductive rights of women,” said Regan.
Women with a valid health card and prescription will be able to get the $350 drug for free at pharmacies, at a cost to the province of between $175,000 and $200,000 per year.

Efficient single payer healthcare!

[stilldropin20]

See this post is why I asked a question. You should be embarrassed. any body who agrees with this post as identifiying things trump has lied about should equally be embarrassed. Because none of these are even statements "to be fact checked," let alone considered lies. These are opinion statements. Come on. I gave you one. "Mexico is going to pay for it." And its NOT even a lie yet!!! the damn wall isn't even approved to be built!!!! but when it is approved (and he is likely going to get his wall)it will likely be a lie that mexico is going to pay for it...even if he alters future trade agreements with mexico and gets retroactive funding for the wall later I will still cave and call it a lie. But "drain the swamp!!!""" this is an opinion statement. It's fact check proof. In half of the american people right now think he is doing just that, attempting to drain the swamp: which could mean a variety of things. To me it means doing things differently with a different approach and helping to get people out or out of the way of the new approach and trump is certainly doing things differently.

C'mon SD. You didn't have to give us one. It is what it is. Firstly, I doubt it's ever gonna pass, because it's a really stupid idea. Second, it would never be paid for by Mexico. It's in the budget, because... the plan is have the US government to pay for it. And putting an import tax just means it's making things more expensive for Americans to buy. He was talking out of his arse when he said Mexico will pay for it, and he does that way too often. He makes things up and expects he and his people to come up with ways to make them not seem like lies. If that doesn't work, he's a master deflector - taking the attention away by doing or saying something else outrageous. That's the whole purpose of their attacks on the media. Deflect deflect deflect. It's completely... unethical, immoral, disgusting... just plain f'n wrong. And that's his modus operandi.

And getting back to the wall... look what's just happened with natural disasters. Mexico came to Texas' aid when Texas needed them. If the wall was there, it'd probably severely exaserbate flooding problems and prevent Mexico from helping, and it'd turn a friend into an enemy. Btw, Mexico helped Texas more than the US helped Mexico - when Mexico had disasterous eathquakes. How f'n stupid are we that we're planning on building a wall? Very f'n stupid.

Very f'n stupid combined with wrong, unethical, immoral... probably isn't good for our country.

i can work with this Ruz. Quickly:

1. Immigration reform is waaaaaaaay down my list of priorities. waaaaaaaaaay down. and it should not be a wall rather "a hard border" and trump has softened and said as much last week. The hard boarder is necessary component for responsible immigration reform.(now I'm part spanish and part native american and my sisters is also half mexican-different dad's) and I want a hard boarder for many reasons. So does she. and i cant believe that I have to qualify it. but far left labeling and mob mentality identity politics require me to do so.
2. If you want a hard boarder and immigration reform like I do, then i'm ok with politicians spinning what ever lingo they spin to get said immigration reform and boarder control done.

and this is just like liberal being 'OK" with whatever lingo and jargon Obama used to get the ACA pushed through. including the christmas eve secret vote with no one on the floor to oppose so the american people could at least here the criticisms. Every single lib is ok with all those "lies" told to the american people. not just "keep your doctor" but it will be "affordable" when costs have in fact skyrocketed, and on and on and on. All lies.

And my point is every politician lies. so why are we holding trump to a higher standard?? he lied to us too. and thats all CNN is talking about. Thats all the far left is talking about. We are not discovering anything. we are not uncovering anything. In fact just burying the truth beneath the fauxrage, labeling, and incendiary bull crap...all of which is politics as usual. However, this time around the far left has weaponized the DOJ, CIA, and FBI as part of the win at all costs approach and is bringing american politics to near police state levels and thats where i draw a line.

[dobrojim]

DJT (and speaking of small ball, SD) are what we grew up back in the day referring to as Bull$hit artists.
What they say has little foundation to objective reality. Whatever pops into their heads at a particular
moment based on something that they heard sometime somewhere is as true as it needs to be for them
to repeat it and in DJT's case, he's been doing it so long he can no longer remember what's true and what
isn't.

All those newspapers (essentially a unanimous conclusion nationwide) that endorsed HRC or
at least said no to the T-Train have been shown to be absolutely prescient. For SD, not that I
shouldn't take TGW's advice and not argue with him, it's not just the 'far left' that have yuge
issues with our POTUS, many principled cons do as well. Of course the knee jerk reaction on the
right as soon as one does is to declare them RINOs or apostates and dismiss them as messengers
simply because they prefer to reject the message being brought.

I would not be surprised if before 4 years are up, those in the GOP that stood by him and
defended him out of a purely tribalistic reaction are going to look awfully bad in the lens
of history for having done so. Defending without really understanding what they are defending
them for is likely to be a long term loser.

[Wizardspride]

Read on Twitter

[dobrojim]

Is it possible Manafort actually did something to bring the attention of the authorities?

[edit to add]

What do you (SD) think was the principle motivation for DJT to hire Manafort as Campaign mgr?

(general comment)
Anything that challenges their view of the greatness of the emperors attire must be immediately
and unceremoniously dismissed out of hand as untrue fake news delivered by untrustworthy
unpatriotic evildoers with their own agenda.

[stilldropin20]

Just off the top of my head, "My inauguration crowd was bigger than Obama's," "Obama ordered that Trump tower be wiretapped," "I would have won the popular vote if 3 million people hadn't voted illegally."

All three of those are preposterous lies. You need two more? "My penis is large." "It's totally ok to sexually assault women."

"more people...around the world... viewed...the inauguration" is the terminology I saw originally. and it looks correct. not a lie.

Obama administration DID IN FACT, surveille Paul Manafort and attained the warrant via Fisa court-that means that either susan Rice, comey or clapper (or all 3?) ordered the fisa warrant. That's as high up as it goes in terms of "obama." I highly highly highly highly doubt Obama himself wasnt briefed. This likely went via the DNC to Rice and Obama directly. Rice will likely fall on her sword if asked though. Manafort did(still does?) during the campaign have an apt at Trump tower. Trump owns trump tower. Conversations between trump and manafort appear to be surveilled and recorded. leaked even!!! yet, the damn fisa warrant is sealed!!!!!

And why do you think Manafort was being surveilled?


Is it possible Manafort actually did something to bring the attention of the authorities?

yes! and yes!!

manafort could be the devil. and trump a fool for not vetting him harder. and if the highest level obama aides surveilled manafort at trump tower and especially conversations with pres elect trump then trump is also fully vindicated for his statement. its a travesty that these conversations were leaked. all to make trump look foolish too. I mean trump didn't do that well enough on his own? so they surveilled him via the manafort fisa warrant and leaked it??

i mean we all know trump is learning on the fly and isnt good at "politics." on this much we all agree? I'd say his learning curve is pretty damn steep though.

and perhaps manafort is the russian devil they been looking for. We'll see. I doubt it. but he could be and im open to it for sure. and jail time if he was colluding. and trump should be impeached if trump agreed/knew to it. but (if) again IF manafort was colluding. i need hard evidence that trump knew. Not manafort's word after manafort is given an immunity deal. NO IMMUNITY!!!!!! The american people need the truth on this one not a witch hunt. If manafort is willing to go away for 7 years or more and tell the truth, so be it. I'd be the first to impeach trump. But...if they get manafort on something, anything, especially not related to this election and they leverage him with an immunity deal to turn state's, then that is such a far cry from justice that I wont ever talk about politics again. truth and justice will be dead to me forever. and whoever wants to scorch earth this mutha I wouldn't stop 'em. I'm so tired of political witch hunts. the american people deserve the truth. The DOJ, FBI, CIA are not political weapons!!

[stilldropin20]

Read on Twitter

mccain sticking it to his only friend in DC lindsey graham!!!!! those 2 aholes deserve each other!!! cant stand either!!

[montestewart]

Just off the top of my head, "My inauguration crowd was bigger than Obama's," "Obama ordered that Trump tower be wiretapped," "I would have won the popular vote if 3 million people hadn't voted illegally."

All three of those are preposterous lies. You need two more? "My penis is large." "It's totally ok to sexually assault women."

"more people...around the world... viewed...the inauguration" is the terminology I saw originally. and it looks correct. not a lie.

Then you missed all the other (numerous, thoroughly well-documented, hard-to-miss) claims, in tweets, speeches, etc. speaking specifically about the number of people attending the inauguration on the Mall. Feet on the ground. Of course he lied about it, he had to after his repeated claims that it was going to be the biggest ever. It's becoming par for the course for supporters to attempt to absolve Trump of actually saying the things he and others in his administration have said (regardless of how well-documented the statements are) by flipping the most ridiculously contorted pretzel cartwheels to massage enough misquote, context, denial, alternate facts, brand new meaning of words (!), or whatever other half-baked rationalization will allow a Trump defender to exit the room without erupting in laughter at the absurdity of their defense.

The other claim ("around the world") was the one the administration subsequently offered as the only claim they ever made, accusing the press of twisting words. And you swallowed their narrative whole cloth, regardless of and quite contrary to the well-established facts. The other claim is not so remarkable at all, considering the advances made in computers, the internet, and personal entertainment technology, and the spread of all that around the world between 2009 and 2017, not to mention the whole lurid "rubbernecking at a train wreck" attraction. Regardless, it's hard to prove that claim with certainty, and Trump certainly wouldn't have known with certainty at the time he was making that claim.

So basically a four-Pinocchio, pants-on-fire lie about attendance on the Mall; a second four-Pinocchio, pants-on-fire lie about what he originally said about attendance on the Mall; and a one-Pinocchio lie (since he couldn't have known) about whether it was the most viewed inauguration ever. Then the question is, do you really believe, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that the only claim ever made was about worldwide viewing, or do you have a long wooden nose?

I think Trump intentionally lies and otherwise acts irrationally to promote bad coverage about him in the MSM, to reinforce among his acolytes that the press is against him, allowing them to lose themselves in a logic- and reason-free happy haze of "If Trump did it, it must be okay. If the MSM print it, it must be a lie."

[stilldropin20]

Guys...that dude is a troll. Clearly. No point arguing with it.

bruh, I am a friend to this board and this board is filled with my friends, no matter anyone's political agenda. I love everyone on this board. we go back.

[stilldropin20]

Just off the top of my head, "My inauguration crowd was bigger than Obama's," "Obama ordered that Trump tower be wiretapped," "I would have won the popular vote if 3 million people hadn't voted illegally."

All three of those are preposterous lies. You need two more? "My penis is large." "It's totally ok to sexually assault women."

"more people...around the world... viewed...the inauguration" is the terminology I saw originally. and it looks correct. not a lie.

Then you missed all the other (numerous, thoroughly well-documented, hard-to-miss) claims, in tweets, speeches, etc. speaking specifically about the number of people attending the inauguration on the Mall. Feet on the ground. Of course he lied about it, he had to after his repeated claims that it was going to be the biggest ever. It's becoming par for the course for supporters to attempt to absolve Trump of actually saying the things he and others in his administration have said (regardless of how well-documented the statements are) by flipping the most ridiculously contorted pretzel cartwheels to massage enough misquote, context, denial, alternate facts, brand new meaning of words (!), or whatever other half-baked rationalization will allow a Trump defender to exit the room without erupting in laughter at the absurdity of their defense.

The other claim ("around the world") was the one the administration subsequently offered as the only claim they ever made, accusing the press of twisting words. And you swallowed their narrative whole cloth, regardless of and quite contrary to the well-established facts. The other claim is not so remarkable at all, considering the advances made in computers, the internet, and personal entertainment technology, and the spread of all that around the world between 2009 and 2017, not to mention the whole lurid "rubbernecking at a train wreck" attraction. Regardless, it's hard to prove that claim with certainty, and Trump certainly wouldn't have known with certainty at the time he was making that claim.

So basically a four-Pinocchio, pants-on-fire lie about attendance on the Mall; a second four-Pinocchio, pants-on-fire lie about what he originally said about attendance on the Mall; and a one-Pinocchio lie (since he couldn't have known) about whether it was the most viewed inauguration ever. Then the question is, do you really believe, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that the only claim ever made was about worldwide viewing, or do you have a long wooden nose?

I think Trump intentionally lies and otherwise acts irrationally to promote bad coverage about him in the MSM, to reinforce among his acolytes that the press is against him, allowing them to lose themselves in a logic- and reason-free happy haze of "If Trump did it, it must be okay. If the MSM print it, it must be a lie."

let's say i concede? does this really matter to you?? Honestly?

and do you really believe for one single second that the far left media is giving him any kind of fair shake? Honestly?

[Wizardspride]

"more people...around the world... viewed...the inauguration" is the terminology I saw originally. and it looks correct. not a lie.

Then you missed all the other (numerous, thoroughly well-documented, hard-to-miss) claims, in tweets, speeches, etc. speaking specifically about the number of people attending the inauguration on the Mall. Feet on the ground. Of course he lied about it, he had to after his repeated claims that it was going to be the biggest ever. It's becoming par for the course for supporters to attempt to absolve Trump of actually saying the things he and others in his administration have said (regardless of how well-documented the statements are) by flipping the most ridiculously contorted pretzel cartwheels to massage enough misquote, context, denial, alternate facts, brand new meaning of words (!), or whatever other half-baked rationalization will allow a Trump defender to exit the room without erupting in laughter at the absurdity of their defense.

The other claim ("around the world") was the one the administration subsequently offered as the only claim they ever made, accusing the press of twisting words. And you swallowed their narrative whole cloth, regardless of and quite contrary to the well-established facts. The other claim is not so remarkable at all, considering the advances made in computers, the internet, and personal entertainment technology, and the spread of all that around the world between 2009 and 2017, not to mention the whole lurid "rubbernecking at a train wreck" attraction. Regardless, it's hard to prove that claim with certainty, and Trump certainly wouldn't have known with certainty at the time he was making that claim.

So basically a four-Pinocchio, pants-on-fire lie about attendance on the Mall; a second four-Pinocchio, pants-on-fire lie about what he originally said about attendance on the Mall; and a one-Pinocchio lie (since he couldn't have known) about whether it was the most viewed inauguration ever. Then the question is, do you really believe, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that the only claim ever made was about worldwide viewing, or do you have a long wooden nose?

I think Trump intentionally lies and otherwise acts irrationally to promote bad coverage about him in the MSM, to reinforce among his acolytes that the press is against him, allowing them to lose themselves in a logic- and reason-free happy haze of "If Trump did it, it must be okay. If the MSM print it, it must be a lie."

let's say i concede? does this really matter to you?? Honestly?

and do you really believe for one single second that the far left media is giving him any kind of fair shake? Honestly?

You throw that term out quite a bit, "the far left".

Out of curiosity, I'd like to know who you consider the far left?

[Ruzious]

"more people...around the world... viewed...the inauguration" is the terminology I saw originally. and it looks correct. not a lie.

Then you missed all the other (numerous, thoroughly well-documented, hard-to-miss) claims, in tweets, speeches, etc. speaking specifically about the number of people attending the inauguration on the Mall. Feet on the ground. Of course he lied about it, he had to after his repeated claims that it was going to be the biggest ever. It's becoming par for the course for supporters to attempt to absolve Trump of actually saying the things he and others in his administration have said (regardless of how well-documented the statements are) by flipping the most ridiculously contorted pretzel cartwheels to massage enough misquote, context, denial, alternate facts, brand new meaning of words (!), or whatever other half-baked rationalization will allow a Trump defender to exit the room without erupting in laughter at the absurdity of their defense.

The other claim ("around the world") was the one the administration subsequently offered as the only claim they ever made, accusing the press of twisting words. And you swallowed their narrative whole cloth, regardless of and quite contrary to the well-established facts. The other claim is not so remarkable at all, considering the advances made in computers, the internet, and personal entertainment technology, and the spread of all that around the world between 2009 and 2017, not to mention the whole lurid "rubbernecking at a train wreck" attraction. Regardless, it's hard to prove that claim with certainty, and Trump certainly wouldn't have known with certainty at the time he was making that claim.

So basically a four-Pinocchio, pants-on-fire lie about attendance on the Mall; a second four-Pinocchio, pants-on-fire lie about what he originally said about attendance on the Mall; and a one-Pinocchio lie (since he couldn't have known) about whether it was the most viewed inauguration ever. Then the question is, do you really believe, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that the only claim ever made was about worldwide viewing, or do you have a long wooden nose?

I think Trump intentionally lies and otherwise acts irrationally to promote bad coverage about him in the MSM, to reinforce among his acolytes that the press is against him, allowing them to lose themselves in a logic- and reason-free happy haze of "If Trump did it, it must be okay. If the MSM print it, it must be a lie."

let's say i concede? does this really matter to you?? Honestly?

and do you really believe for one single second that the far left media is giving him any kind of fair shake? Honestly?

SD, I know you don't seek attention... not you... but what are you really? When you started posting in this thread, you said you're a Sanders Democrat. Sanders is far left. And in your last several posts, you're acting like everyone else is from the far left, and you're the guy standing up to them. You even referred to dckinsfan as far left. You're a Trump guy, right? You got into real estate because of him?

Btw, good for McCain. While everyone - including bff Graham - is playing politics, he wants to be bipartisan. Call me naive, but that's a refreshing change. Now watch his colleagues and prez demonize him.

[montestewart]

Then you missed all the other (numerous, thoroughly well-documented, hard-to-miss) claims, in tweets, speeches, etc. speaking specifically about the number of people attending the inauguration on the Mall. Feet on the ground. Of course he lied about it, he had to after his repeated claims that it was going to be the biggest ever. It's becoming par for the course for supporters to attempt to absolve Trump of actually saying the things he and others in his administration have said (regardless of how well-documented the statements are) by flipping the most ridiculously contorted pretzel cartwheels to massage enough misquote, context, denial, alternate facts, brand new meaning of words (!), or whatever other half-baked rationalization will allow a Trump defender to exit the room without erupting in laughter at the absurdity of their defense.

The other claim ("around the world") was the one the administration subsequently offered as the only claim they ever made, accusing the press of twisting words. And you swallowed their narrative whole cloth, regardless of and quite contrary to the well-established facts. The other claim is not so remarkable at all, considering the advances made in computers, the internet, and personal entertainment technology, and the spread of all that around the world between 2009 and 2017, not to mention the whole lurid "rubbernecking at a train wreck" attraction. Regardless, it's hard to prove that claim with certainty, and Trump certainly wouldn't have known with certainty at the time he was making that claim.

So basically a four-Pinocchio, pants-on-fire lie about attendance on the Mall; a second four-Pinocchio, pants-on-fire lie about what he originally said about attendance on the Mall; and a one-Pinocchio lie (since he couldn't have known) about whether it was the most viewed inauguration ever. Then the question is, do you really believe, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that the only claim ever made was about worldwide viewing, or do you have a long wooden nose?

I think Trump intentionally lies and otherwise acts irrationally to promote bad coverage about him in the MSM, to reinforce among his acolytes that the press is against him, allowing them to lose themselves in a logic- and reason-free happy haze of "If Trump did it, it must be okay. If the MSM print it, it must be a lie."

let's say i concede? does this really matter to you?? Honestly?

and do you really believe for one single second that the far left media is giving him any kind of fair shake? Honestly?

SD, I know you don't seek attention... not you... but what are you really? When you started posting in this thread, you said you're a Sanders Democrat. Sanders is far left. And in your last several posts, you're acting like everyone else is from the far left, and you're the guy standing up to them. You even referred to dckinsfan as far left. You're a Trump guy, right? You got into real estate because of him?

Btw, good for McCain. While everyone - including bff Graham - is playing politics, he wants to be bipartisan. Call me naive, but that's a refreshing change. Now watch his colleagues and prez demonize him.

Yeah STD, what makes you think we're talking about Trump? We're talking about you. If Trump was here, we'd be talking about him.

Far left media, yuck yuck yuck. I prefer Russian-controlled sources like Breitbart, Drudge, and Trump's tweets.