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[Smash3]

2010’s proposal was that bird rights holders get to exceed the minimum bids amount

In two years everyone will have bird rights on their own guys, that's not applicable for that year. It's going to be absolute madness, no way around it if we keep the current system. If Bish is already saying that this free agency was tough for him, you know some changes need to be implemented.

I'll say this about this past FA process.

I knew that FA this year was going to be more challenging then the past couple of offseasons due to the number of quality FA's and also because of the number of teams with cap space. I scheduled FA to start on a Sunday this year because I generally have Sunday-Monday off from work and I knew I would need to be around my computer more than usual. Saying that, I literally never left my laptop for more that ten minutes that first Sunday from 12PM-1AM. Monday was not much different. I received 369 PM's those first two days. For the most part, each PM received means I'm sending out two PM's (one as a reply to the sender and one to the GM who held the previous high bid telling them their bid was beat). As soon as 12PM hit I was flooded with 25+ PM's. Like I said, I was online for basically 13 hours straight and constantly clearing offers/PMs. But each time I cleared one, two more were waiting for me, lol. It got to the point pretty quickly that I was answering PM's sent two hours earlier. So, I will say that there were not any last minute bids that I can think of off the top of my head. It just got flooded with offers that I was two hours behind on.

I only bring it up because if that was the case this year, two years from now will be that much worse if we don't tweak things. I really don't think it needs to be anything major. Maybe just something as simple as putting a break in the middle of the day. Like bids are allowed from 12-5 and then from 7-12. The clock would stop during the two hour freeze which would allow me to catch up and keep everything on track. Or just make the day go from 6AM-10PM instead of midnight. FA was basically wrapped up after day three this year. Maybe something that drags it out a little more is all that is needed rather than radical changes that are being discussed. Public bids, max bids per day, etc...all things that will drastically change the system that for the most part, has worked pretty well IMO.

I think this is a great idea, and we can maybe get rid of inquiries to lessen the workload even more too. Public bids just changes the dynamics too much.

[3toheadmelo]

it creates that nightmare scenario where a team can have money and want a player but simply cant bid on a player because of a rule. I think that would be pretty damning.

If you have the cap space and want a player nothing should limit you on making a bid on any player no matter if its early in the day or later in the day.

Like I said before. Make a serious offer. You just want guys to low ball offers all day long. It’s a waste of everybody’s time.

You can still make a serious offer and be stuck in that situation. There's too much of a concern being made on hypothetical bad faith bids or low ball offers, but realistically if the bid is $100/4 and you only need to offer $101/4 to beat it, common sense would say why would you spend any more than that $101 and try to allocate the other dollars somewhere else.

I've never made a bid on a player i didn't want or a bid on a player just so they wouldn't get signed for cheap....but I damn sure don't want to get punished and be unable to make a bid on a player because there's a cap on the number of bids i can make since people are upset that their bids are getting beat. I've gotten beat on bids last minute too, but you say fack, and either place a higher bid or move on...again we shouldn't punish the group because some are upset with the actions of few (or one)

You’re not getting punished at all. Make a serious offer and you’ll have a good chance of getting the player. If it still fails, then simply move on and try to get a different player. I don’t see the big issue.

[mpharris36]

2010’s proposal was that bird rights holders get to exceed the minimum bids amount

In two years everyone will have bird rights on their own guys, that's not applicable for that year. It's going to be absolute madness, no way around it if we keep the current system. If Bish is already saying that this free agency was tough for him, you know some changes need to be implemented.

I'll say this about this past FA process.

I knew that FA this year was going to be more challenging then the past couple of offseasons due to the number of quality FA's and also because of the number of teams with cap space. I scheduled FA to start on a Sunday this year because I generally have Sunday-Monday off from work and I knew I would need to be around my computer more than usual. Saying that, I literally never left my laptop for more that ten minutes that first Sunday from 12PM-1AM. Monday was not much different. I received 369 PM's those first two days. For the most part, each PM received means I'm sending out two PM's (one as a reply to the sender and one to the GM who held the previous high bid telling them their bid was beat). As soon as 12PM hit I was flooded with 25+ PM's. Like I said, I was online for basically 13 hours straight and constantly clearing offers/PMs. But each time I cleared one, two more were waiting for me, lol. It got to the point pretty quickly that I was answering PM's sent two hours earlier. So, I will say that there were not any last minute bids that I can think of off the top of my head. It just got flooded with offers that I was two hours behind on.

I only bring it up because if that was the case this year, two years from now will be that much worse if we don't tweak things. I really don't think it needs to be anything major. Maybe just something as simple as putting a break in the middle of the day. Like bids are allowed from 12-5 and then from 7-12. The clock would stop during the two hour freeze which would allow me to catch up and keep everything on track. Or just make the day go from 6AM-10PM instead of midnight. FA was basically wrapped up after day three this year. Maybe something that drags it out a little more is all that is needed rather than radical changes that are being discussed. Public bids, max bids per day, etc...all things that will drastically change the system that for the most part, has worked pretty well IMO.

2022 it going to be the closest thing to our original full draft but as discussed the tier system seems like a problem and most don't like it and most would rather have everyone out there at once.

I guess the question first answered would more people be in favor of public or private bidding. Because private bidding puts a lot more on you obviously and that needs to be addressed in the big FA year. If you can handle private bidding just with more breaks involved that is fine we would just have to extend offseason a lot longer because it would take a lot longer to figure when guys get signed.

If its public we can have a lot of possibilities like having an online bid calculator that weighs FA rating on a public sheet.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Another thought I had was with signing Bird Rights players - you're allowed to go over the cap to sign them, but if you sign them before a non-bird right player....you already used up your cap space on them and can't sign non-bird FA's (might not be explaining this exactly how I want but hopefully y'all get the point, but i ran into this situation when I was placing bids this year)

I think Bird Right players can have an agreement to sign with the team, but should not be "actually signed" or hit the cap until you've had a chance to sign non-bird FA's.

Hopefully you understand what i meant, if not forget it lol

Yea, I agree with this too. There can be a cap hold for the bird rights player. This way it doesnt depend as much on other bids and timing, etc which is pretty random

[bishnykfan]

it creates that nightmare scenario where a team can have money and want a player but simply cant bid on a player because of a rule. I think that would be pretty damning.

If you have the cap space and want a player nothing should limit you on making a bid on any player no matter if its early in the day or later in the day.

Like I said before. Make a serious offer. You just want guys to low ball offers all day long. It’s a waste of everybody’s time.

Define a serious offer. What you think a player is worth or what someone else does?

At least we don't have to wait for bish to update a non serious offer if he is busy. For example if you say submit 5 years $200 for Tatum right off the bat. And someone within 5 minutes submits 4 years $215. Is that not a serious offer? The good thing is you don't have to wait to pish to update you can go right back and submit 5 years $220 and then now we can have say maybe even 15 bids in a hour. Instead of 2 bids in 6 hours if Bish isn't around.

There can be serious offers as well as strategic offers. No one bids the same way. This is part of the game we don't want FA to end in 1 or 2 days either because it kills time in the offseason.

If you say gave everyone 10 bids a day what is the fun if people started bidding $400 to $500 right off the bat. Its fun to negotiate and if the bids at least were updating real time you would know when you would be beat. Also you could also want a player but don't want to go up at $50 intervals either. That isn't bad faith to send a $1 to $5 increase that just means you are trying to get the player at the most respectable cost possible. Nothing wrong with that.

Basically it seems like you are suggesting unless you overpay as a non bird right team and don't want to waste bids you wont get a player because bird right teams can fend off 15 teams if they want...but a legit team can't really get into a bidding war on a player if he isn't there and still have room to bid on other players at the same time.

I don't think max bids per day is necessary but I would also question the idea of allowing bids to be placed publicly by the GM's. Just from a realistic and maybe insiders viewpoint, there are many bids placed throughout the course of the day which are illegal. What happens if a team places a bid that is illegal (puts them over the cap, no roster spot, etc)? The domino effect to that could really screw up the entire FA.

For example, team 1 places a bid on player A that is illegal. It is publicly out there and then team 2 comes along and "beats" that offer. Now they are paying more than they needed to or should based on the fact that team 1 placed an illegal bid. How would the league ensure that all of the public bids being placed by GM's work?

[Slicin N Dicin]

Like I said before. Make a serious offer. You just want guys to low ball offers all day long. It’s a waste of everybody’s time.

You can still make a serious offer and be stuck in that situation. There's too much of a concern being made on hypothetical bad faith bids or low ball offers, but realistically if the bid is $100/4 and you only need to offer $101/4 to beat it, common sense would say why would you spend any more than that $101 and try to allocate the other dollars somewhere else.

I've never made a bid on a player i didn't want or a bid on a player just so they wouldn't get signed for cheap....but I damn sure don't want to get punished and be unable to make a bid on a player because there's a cap on the number of bids i can make since people are upset that their bids are getting beat. I've gotten beat on bids last minute too, but you say fack, and either place a higher bid or move on...again we shouldn't punish the group because some are upset with the actions of few (or one)

You’re not getting punished at all. Make a serious offer and you’ll have a good chance of getting the player. If it still fails, then simply move on and try to get a different player. I don’t see the big issue.

Bro, what is this serious offer you keep saying? You can't say you advocate for people getting steals in FA and then keep repeating "make a serious offer" when the steals people are getting are sometimes not a "serious offer"


Again - I can make a serious offer on multiple players and still get beat. Then you're punished by not being able to make another bid on a player because your "serious offer" got beat.

You can't just keep repeating "make a serious offer" over and over again to try and prove your point my dude and not acknowledging the fact that as long as you have the cap space and bid more than what a player is currently priced at, it's a serious offer. And you can't punish people for trying to make as many offers on free agents as possible to put their teams in the best situation.

[Slicin N Dicin]

Another thought I had was with signing Bird Rights players - you're allowed to go over the cap to sign them, but if you sign them before a non-bird right player....you already used up your cap space on them and can't sign non-bird FA's (might not be explaining this exactly how I want but hopefully y'all get the point, but i ran into this situation when I was placing bids this year)

I think Bird Right players can have an agreement to sign with the team, but should not be "actually signed" or hit the cap until you've had a chance to sign non-bird FA's.

Hopefully you understand what i meant, if not forget it lol

Yea, I agree with this too. There can be a cap hold for the bird rights player. This way it doesnt depend as much on other bids and timing, etc which is pretty random

Sorry Bish, know you got a lot going on and this may not be priority at this moment, but maybe something we can vote on or add to FA?

[2010]

Another thought I had was with signing Bird Rights players - you're allowed to go over the cap to sign them, but if you sign them before a non-bird right player....you already used up your cap space on them and can't sign non-bird FA's (might not be explaining this exactly how I want but hopefully y'all get the point, but i ran into this situation when I was placing bids this year)

I think Bird Right players can have an agreement to sign with the team, but should not be "actually signed" or hit the cap until you've had a chance to sign non-bird FA's.

Hopefully you understand what i meant, if not forget it lol

I second this.

I also like the PM'd proposal that Bish just put out there as a good base.

I want to make sure I have this right. So this obviously only counts for scenarios where no rival GM has made an offer for the player the incumbent GM holds bird rights on, correct?

So basically, the GM sends in an offer to bish for a player he holds bird rights on. If no one tops the offer, the player is agreeing to be "signed" but not technically until the GM uses his cap space on other free agents first?

Am I understanding the logistics of this correctly?

[bishnykfan]

Another thought I had was with signing Bird Rights players - you're allowed to go over the cap to sign them, but if you sign them before a non-bird right player....you already used up your cap space on them and can't sign non-bird FA's (might not be explaining this exactly how I want but hopefully y'all get the point, but i ran into this situation when I was placing bids this year)

I think Bird Right players can have an agreement to sign with the team, but should not be "actually signed" or hit the cap until you've had a chance to sign non-bird FA's.

Hopefully you understand what i meant, if not forget it lol

Yea, I agree with this too. There can be a cap hold for the bird rights player. This way it doesnt depend as much on other bids and timing, etc which is pretty random

I actually agree with this also. I had a back and forth with a GM about this very thing. In the end we left it the way I originally described it (the way we ended up doing it this year) because changing it late would not have been fair. But I think moving forward, this will and should be changed as well.

[Slicin N Dicin]

Another thought I had was with signing Bird Rights players - you're allowed to go over the cap to sign them, but if you sign them before a non-bird right player....you already used up your cap space on them and can't sign non-bird FA's (might not be explaining this exactly how I want but hopefully y'all get the point, but i ran into this situation when I was placing bids this year)

I think Bird Right players can have an agreement to sign with the team, but should not be "actually signed" or hit the cap until you've had a chance to sign non-bird FA's.

Hopefully you understand what i meant, if not forget it lol

I second this.

I also like the PM'd proposal that Bish just put out there as a good base.

I want to make sure I have this right. So this obviously only counts for scenarios where no rival GM has made an offer for the player the incumbent GM holds bird rights on, correct?

So basically, the GM sends in an offer to bish for a player he holds bird rights on. If no one tops the offer, the player is agreeing to be "signed" but not technically until the GM uses his cap space on other free agents first?

Am I understanding the logistics of this correctly?

Yup, exactly. You have a cap hold for the Bird Rights player, but can still go ahead and sign non-bird FA's up until you reach your cap and then the Bird Right FA will be officially signed

[Smash3]

Another thought I had was with signing Bird Rights players - you're allowed to go over the cap to sign them, but if you sign them before a non-bird right player....you already used up your cap space on them and can't sign non-bird FA's (might not be explaining this exactly how I want but hopefully y'all get the point, but i ran into this situation when I was placing bids this year)

I think Bird Right players can have an agreement to sign with the team, but should not be "actually signed" or hit the cap until you've had a chance to sign non-bird FA's.

Hopefully you understand what i meant, if not forget it lol

I second this.

I also like the PM'd proposal that Bish just put out there as a good base.

I want to make sure I have this right. So this obviously only counts for scenarios where no rival GM has made an offer for the player the incumbent GM holds bird rights on, correct?

So basically, the GM sends in an offer to bish for a player he holds bird rights on. If no one tops the offer, the player is agreeing to be "signed" but not technically until the GM uses his cap space on other free agents first?

Am I understanding the logistics of this correctly?

What happens if on the last day of FA a team has a lot more cap room then planned and goes after that player? Topping the previous bid?

[mpharris36]

Like I said before. Make a serious offer. You just want guys to low ball offers all day long. It’s a waste of everybody’s time.

Define a serious offer. What you think a player is worth or what someone else does?

At least we don't have to wait for bish to update a non serious offer if he is busy. For example if you say submit 5 years $200 for Tatum right off the bat. And someone within 5 minutes submits 4 years $215. Is that not a serious offer? The good thing is you don't have to wait to pish to update you can go right back and submit 5 years $220 and then now we can have say maybe even 15 bids in a hour. Instead of 2 bids in 6 hours if Bish isn't around.

There can be serious offers as well as strategic offers. No one bids the same way. This is part of the game we don't want FA to end in 1 or 2 days either because it kills time in the offseason.

If you say gave everyone 10 bids a day what is the fun if people started bidding $400 to $500 right off the bat. Its fun to negotiate and if the bids at least were updating real time you would know when you would be beat. Also you could also want a player but don't want to go up at $50 intervals either. That isn't bad faith to send a $1 to $5 increase that just means you are trying to get the player at the most respectable cost possible. Nothing wrong with that.

Basically it seems like you are suggesting unless you overpay as a non bird right team and don't want to waste bids you wont get a player because bird right teams can fend off 15 teams if they want...but a legit team can't really get into a bidding war on a player if he isn't there and still have room to bid on other players at the same time.

I don't think max bids per day is necessary but I would also question the idea of allowing bids to be placed publicly by the GM's. Just from a realistic and maybe insiders viewpoint, there are many bids placed throughout the course of the day which are illegal. What happens if a team places a bid that is illegal (puts them over the cap, no roster spot, etc)? The domino effect to that could really screw up the entire FA.

For example, team 1 places a bid on player A that is illegal. It is publicly out there and then team 2 comes along and "beats" that offer. Now they are paying more than they needed to or should based on the fact that team 1 placed an illegal bid. How would the league ensure that all of the public bids being placed by GM's work?

my thought it would be public knowledge anyone GM putting a bid on a player should know if the bid they are beating is legal if we set up a forumula that you can submit an offer and see if your bid wins.

I assume you have some formula that rates years a certain percentage of the contract and then you could easily include another factor like FA rating too. The onus would be if your intersted in that player you should 100% know if you bid is legit and the other bids are legit too...at least that is the way I see it.

I would 100% keep the bidding blind as well if you were up to it. I thought it had to be public just for the volume of FA coming your way in 2022. If you are cool with more of a time slot when you can bid on FA that you are comfortable and can still handle that load where there is a dead time during the day where you can update all the bids and then bidding starts back up after the dead time is over I would be cool with that as well but that still is a lot of work for you obviously.

[3toheadmelo]

You can still make a serious offer and be stuck in that situation. There's too much of a concern being made on hypothetical bad faith bids or low ball offers, but realistically if the bid is $100/4 and you only need to offer $101/4 to beat it, common sense would say why would you spend any more than that $101 and try to allocate the other dollars somewhere else.

I've never made a bid on a player i didn't want or a bid on a player just so they wouldn't get signed for cheap....but I damn sure don't want to get punished and be unable to make a bid on a player because there's a cap on the number of bids i can make since people are upset that their bids are getting beat. I've gotten beat on bids last minute too, but you say fack, and either place a higher bid or move on...again we shouldn't punish the group because some are upset with the actions of few (or one)

You’re not getting punished at all. Make a serious offer and you’ll have a good chance of getting the player. If it still fails, then simply move on and try to get a different player. I don’t see the big issue.

Bro, what is this serious offer you keep saying? You can't say you advocate for people getting steals in FA and then keep repeating "make a serious offer" when the steals people are getting are sometimes not a "serious offer"


Again - I can make a serious offer on multiple players and still get beat. Then you're punished by not being able to make another bid on a player because your "serious offer" got beat.

You can't just keep repeating "make a serious offer" over and over again to try and prove your point my dude and not acknowledging the fact that as long as you have the cap space and bid more than what a player is currently priced at, it's a serious offer. And you can't punish people for trying to make as many offers on free agents as possible to put their teams in the best situation.

Ok example. If you want to take Tatum from me then you’ll need to offer 600/4 years. That’s a serious offer.You guys just want to make bull schit offers and go up by $1 increments for the whole day wasting everybody’s time. So again make serious offers and you’ll get your players.

Also you want to talk about punishing people when in fact you want to remove the bird rights advantage we have.

[NewEra]

Imagine Bish had the answer the whole time

Just let there be a window for freeze on bids/PMs each day so the man can get some sleep!!!

[mpharris36]

I second this.

I also like the PM'd proposal that Bish just put out there as a good base.

I want to make sure I have this right. So this obviously only counts for scenarios where no rival GM has made an offer for the player the incumbent GM holds bird rights on, correct?

So basically, the GM sends in an offer to bish for a player he holds bird rights on. If no one tops the offer, the player is agreeing to be "signed" but not technically until the GM uses his cap space on other free agents first?

Am I understanding the logistics of this correctly?

What happens if on the last day of FA a team has a lot more cap room then planned and goes after that player? Topping the previous bid?

yeah you could run into a scenario where that team won the bid held that cap space for a while then say like NE lost out on Booker and was saving it...if those signings aren't official can he now go back and bid up all those players that were originally signed?

[Slicin N Dicin]

You’re not getting punished at all. Make a serious offer and you’ll have a good chance of getting the player. If it still fails, then simply move on and try to get a different player. I don’t see the big issue.

Bro, what is this serious offer you keep saying? You can't say you advocate for people getting steals in FA and then keep repeating "make a serious offer" when the steals people are getting are sometimes not a "serious offer"


Again - I can make a serious offer on multiple players and still get beat. Then you're punished by not being able to make another bid on a player because your "serious offer" got beat.

You can't just keep repeating "make a serious offer" over and over again to try and prove your point my dude and not acknowledging the fact that as long as you have the cap space and bid more than what a player is currently priced at, it's a serious offer. And you can't punish people for trying to make as many offers on free agents as possible to put their teams in the best situation.

Ok example. If you want to take Tatum from me then you’ll need to offer 600/4 years. That’s a serious offer.You guys just want to make bull schit offers and go up by $1 increments for the whole day wasting everybody’s time. So again make serious offers and you’ll get your players.

Also you want to talk about punishing people when in fact you want to remove the bird rights advantage we have.

Still making no sense and trying to get rid of steals. Yeah i agree going up by $1 increments is stupid sometimes and I even tell that to bish in my bids sometimes where i don't want to get into $1 bidding wars...but it's free market. If the winning bid is $600 and i only need to offer $601 to beat it...then why offer anything more? We are only limited to a certain $$ amount to spend so you have to maximize each and every dollar. don't see how that's hard to comprehend. You don't like it? Sure, no one wants to get into a $1 increment bidding war (funny cause we did the same **** with Tatum in the original draft so you've been there too) but it's common sense....why spend more money when you don't have to especially when we're capped with a certain amount of money to spend


On the bold part?? what are you talking about, when have i ever said anything about removing birds right advantage...are you talking to someone else?

[3toheadmelo]

Like I said before. Make a serious offer. You just want guys to low ball offers all day long. It’s a waste of everybody’s time.

Define a serious offer. What you think a player is worth or what someone else does?

At least we don't have to wait for bish to update a non serious offer if he is busy. For example if you say submit 5 years $200 for Tatum right off the bat. And someone within 5 minutes submits 4 years $215. Is that not a serious offer? The good thing is you don't have to wait to pish to update you can go right back and submit 5 years $220 and then now we can have say maybe even 15 bids in a hour. Instead of 2 bids in 6 hours if Bish isn't around.

There can be serious offers as well as strategic offers. No one bids the same way. This is part of the game we don't want FA to end in 1 or 2 days either because it kills time in the offseason.

If you say gave everyone 10 bids a day what is the fun if people started bidding $400 to $500 right off the bat. Its fun to negotiate and if the bids at least were updating real time you would know when you would be beat. Also you could also want a player but don't want to go up at $50 intervals either. That isn't bad faith to send a $1 to $5 increase that just means you are trying to get the player at the most respectable cost possible. Nothing wrong with that.

Basically it seems like you are suggesting unless you overpay as a non bird right team and don't want to waste bids you wont get a player because bird right teams can fend off 15 teams if they want...but a legit team can't really get into a bidding war on a player if he isn't there and still have room to bid on other players at the same time.

I don't think max bids per day is necessary but I would also question the idea of allowing bids to be placed publicly by the GM's. Just from a realistic and maybe insiders viewpoint, there are many bids placed throughout the course of the day which are illegal. What happens if a team places a bid that is illegal (puts them over the cap, no roster spot, etc)? The domino effect to that could really screw up the entire FA.

For example, team 1 places a bid on player A that is illegal. It is publicly out there and then team 2 comes along and "beats" that offer. Now they are paying more than they needed to or should based on the fact that team 1 placed an illegal bid. How would the league ensure that all of the public bids being placed by GM's work?

Public bids just seem too complicated all together. Has too many flaws. Better off keeping them private

[Slicin N Dicin]

I want to make sure I have this right. So this obviously only counts for scenarios where no rival GM has made an offer for the player the incumbent GM holds bird rights on, correct?

So basically, the GM sends in an offer to bish for a player he holds bird rights on. If no one tops the offer, the player is agreeing to be "signed" but not technically until the GM uses his cap space on other free agents first?

Am I understanding the logistics of this correctly?

What happens if on the last day of FA a team has a lot more cap room then planned and goes after that player? Topping the previous bid?

yeah you could run into a scenario where that team won the bid held that cap space for a while then say like NE lost out on Booker and was saving it...if those signings aren't official can he now go back and bid up all those players that were originally signed?

The player is off the market and "signed"...just has not hit the cap space yet of the GM who signed them.

[HEZI]

Imagine Bish had the answer the whole time

Just let there be a window for freeze on bids/PMs each day so the man can get some sleep!!!

Easiest solution imo. Scrolling through this thread is like scrolling through the Art of War.

Can't keep up with all these long proposals. I'm going with this one

[mpharris36]

Define a serious offer. What you think a player is worth or what someone else does?

At least we don't have to wait for bish to update a non serious offer if he is busy. For example if you say submit 5 years $200 for Tatum right off the bat. And someone within 5 minutes submits 4 years $215. Is that not a serious offer? The good thing is you don't have to wait to pish to update you can go right back and submit 5 years $220 and then now we can have say maybe even 15 bids in a hour. Instead of 2 bids in 6 hours if Bish isn't around.

There can be serious offers as well as strategic offers. No one bids the same way. This is part of the game we don't want FA to end in 1 or 2 days either because it kills time in the offseason.

If you say gave everyone 10 bids a day what is the fun if people started bidding $400 to $500 right off the bat. Its fun to negotiate and if the bids at least were updating real time you would know when you would be beat. Also you could also want a player but don't want to go up at $50 intervals either. That isn't bad faith to send a $1 to $5 increase that just means you are trying to get the player at the most respectable cost possible. Nothing wrong with that.

Basically it seems like you are suggesting unless you overpay as a non bird right team and don't want to waste bids you wont get a player because bird right teams can fend off 15 teams if they want...but a legit team can't really get into a bidding war on a player if he isn't there and still have room to bid on other players at the same time.

I don't think max bids per day is necessary but I would also question the idea of allowing bids to be placed publicly by the GM's. Just from a realistic and maybe insiders viewpoint, there are many bids placed throughout the course of the day which are illegal. What happens if a team places a bid that is illegal (puts them over the cap, no roster spot, etc)? The domino effect to that could really screw up the entire FA.

For example, team 1 places a bid on player A that is illegal. It is publicly out there and then team 2 comes along and "beats" that offer. Now they are paying more than they needed to or should based on the fact that team 1 placed an illegal bid. How would the league ensure that all of the public bids being placed by GM's work?

Public bids just seem too complicated all together. Has too many flaws. Better off keeping them private

thats fine I am all for keeping them private...but if they are private that still means bish has to do everything. That was the reason FA was brought up to eliminate having him to do everything.

I know you say then just have him do less but limiting bids...that just sways the bidding way too much.

If we are keeping it private I am for more time slot bidding and letting a certain period bish be able to catch up with bids during designated times that he knows he can go through PM's without having to worry about also answering PM's at the same time.

That I think is the only solution if you want to keep bidding private.

No tiers and no limiting the amount of bids that sways FA way too much.