Official Trade Thread Part XLV

[Colbinii]

I dunno. Everyone is talking about Rui making $16-18M, Kuzma making $20M, Reeves making $20M, etc. I think those 3rd/4th starter types are still getting paid $20M plus. So that means there really isn't enough money to pay 2nd best starters full max contracts. So, in the future, guys like Jamal Murray, Jaylen Brown, and JJJ, who probably consider themselves worthy of a supermax contract, might not get it because no team really wants to pay a guy like that $50M. Will they get $35M? Sure. But maybe not $50M. Teams might only pay a supermax for a second guy if it's a Lebron/Davis or Durant/Booker situation where both guys are legit top 12 players.

This is incorrect. All of Jamal/Brown/JJJ are in the Top 40 which means it is guaranteed they are worth the Max, either by their team or by a team who doesn't yet have a player on the Max.

If you are team without a max player, that doesn't mean you will automatically be willing to pay the 37th best player in the league a supermax contract. Sometimes, it is better to have no max contracts.

If the Wizards unloaded Bradley Beal tomorrow, that doesn't mean I would scramble to pay Porzingis a $50M a year contract.

You can only pay certain players the Supermax and Porzingis isn't one of them.

If a player who is eligible for the Supermax is available and you don't have one of those players, more likely than not you will pursue them.

[gambitx777]

I wonder if, in the not-too-distant future, the unintended consequence of this harder cap is that the 2nd tier stars - guys on the Bradley Beal/Jaylen Brown level, simply don't get supermax offers.

I don't know about that. Every team will have to decide. But when you have guys making 60 mill it's hard to imagine the days of guys making 15-25 are gonna last long. I think more so the days of aging vet role player level guys making a good living off of their 3ed 4th and 5th contracts will be over. The PJ Tucker deals, the Davis bertans contacts, the Chris Paul's. This kind of deal are gonna dissapear. Teams are always gonna talk themselves into over paying the best player they have. But this is gonna cost the middle of the road guys and the aging guys millions.

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I dunno. Everyone is talking about Rui making $16-18M, Kuzma making $20M, Reeves making $20M, etc. I think those 3rd/4th starter types are still getting paid $20M plus. So that means there really isn't enough money to pay 2nd best starters full max contracts. So, in the future, guys like Jamal Murray, Jaylen Brown, and JJJ, who probably consider themselves worthy of a supermax contract, might not get it because no team really wants to pay a guy like that $50M. Will they get $35M? Sure. But maybe not $50M. Teams might only pay a supermax for a second guy if it's a Lebron/Davis or Durant/Booker situation where both guys are legit top 12 players.

I think the NBA PA **** up royally. They should be limiting the max contracts. 60 million. That's just obserd. Like I'm sorry but just because you qualify doesn't mean you're worth super max. I think that needs changed. Super max should be far more rare and the percentage of the cap that a max is should be delt with. I'm not against these guys getting paid but they are setting up for teams where 2 guys make 120 million and you have 20 some mill to split between 13 other dudes.

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[Jay81]

I don't know about that. Every team will have to decide. But when you have guys making 60 mill it's hard to imagine the days of guys making 15-25 are gonna last long. I think more so the days of aging vet role player level guys making a good living off of their 3ed 4th and 5th contracts will be over. The PJ Tucker deals, the Davis bertans contacts, the Chris Paul's. This kind of deal are gonna dissapear. Teams are always gonna talk themselves into over paying the best player they have. But this is gonna cost the middle of the road guys and the aging guys millions.

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I dunno. Everyone is talking about Rui making $16-18M, Kuzma making $20M, Reeves making $20M, etc. I think those 3rd/4th starter types are still getting paid $20M plus. So that means there really isn't enough money to pay 2nd best starters full max contracts. So, in the future, guys like Jamal Murray, Jaylen Brown, and JJJ, who probably consider themselves worthy of a supermax contract, might not get it because no team really wants to pay a guy like that $50M. Will they get $35M? Sure. But maybe not $50M. Teams might only pay a supermax for a second guy if it's a Lebron/Davis or Durant/Booker situation where both guys are legit top 12 players.

I think the NBA PA **** up royally. They should be limiting the max contracts. 60 million. That's just obserd. Like I'm sorry but just because you qualify doesn't mean you're worth super max. I think that needs changed. Super max should be far more rare and the percentage of the cap that a max is should be delt with. I'm not against these guys getting paid but they are setting up for teams where 2 guys make 120 million and you have 20 some mill to split between 13 other dudes.

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No one is gojng to force anyone to pay jaylen brown 300 million. Hopefully teams will not do this for non superstars and someone like brown can get something like 4 years 150 million

[Frichuela]

Some noise following the Cassell news on Twitter

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[Rafael122]

Coming up with something based on all the trade chatter and Bilal's rise.

Blazers get: Bradley Beal
OKC get: 8th pick, 23rd pick, Nurkic and Monte Morris
Wizards get: Simons and 3rd pick from Portland, 12th pick and 4 seconds from OKC

Thoughts?

[Frichuela]

Coming up with something based on all the trade chatter and Bilal's rise.

Blazers get: Bradley Beal
OKC get: 8th pick, 23rd pick, Nurkic and Monte Morris
Wizards get: Simons and 3rd pick from Portland, 12th pick and 4 seconds from OKC

Thoughts?

Good try Rafael! But I think Portland may complain that they are giving back too much value (apart from lacking a center). We may need to involve someone like the Magic in a 4-team trade:

Blazers get: Bradley Beal, Daniel Gafford, 11th pick
OKC get: 8th pick, 23rd pick, Nurkic and Monte Morris
Wizards get: Harris, Little, Bitadze and 3rd pick from Portland, 12th pick and 4 seconds from OKC
Magic get Simons

The other question that I have is can we trade Beal before the draft? I heard speculation that he can not be traded before the start of free agency a week later.

[80sballboy]

A trade idea from BR. I'd certainly consider it. Of course, Clarke will probably miss 2023-24 or at least most of the season.
https://wizofawes.com/2023/06/06/trade-sending-kuzma-memphis-winner-wizards/

According to Greg Swartz of Bleacher Report, one of these teams could be the Memphis Grizzlies. Swartz proposes a trade idea that sends Kyle Kuzma to the Memphis Grizzlies via a sign-and-trade. Washington in return receives Brandon Clarke, Jake LaRavia, and a 2023 first-round pick (No. 25 overall) from Memphis.

[Frichuela]

A trade idea from BR. I'd certainly consider it. Of course, Clarke will probably miss 2023-24 or at least most of the season.
https://wizofawes.com/2023/06/06/trade-sending-kuzma-memphis-winner-wizards/

According to Greg Swartz of Bleacher Report, one of these teams could be the Memphis Grizzlies. Swartz proposes a trade idea that sends Kyle Kuzma to the Memphis Grizzlies via a sign-and-trade. Washington in return receives Brandon Clarke, Jake LaRavia, and a 2023 first-round pick (No. 25 overall) from Memphis.

Where do I have to sign? It would be even better if we could replace the 1st pick with Aldama. I’d happily volunteer to drive Kyle to Dulles airport

[Frichuela]

Some random trade speculation on Twitter

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[nate33]

Some random trade speculation on Twitter

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LOL at Kuzma for Keegan Murray and MItchell

[nate33]

A trade idea from BR. I'd certainly consider it. Of course, Clarke will probably miss 2023-24 or at least most of the season.
https://wizofawes.com/2023/06/06/trade-sending-kuzma-memphis-winner-wizards/

According to Greg Swartz of Bleacher Report, one of these teams could be the Memphis Grizzlies. Swartz proposes a trade idea that sends Kyle Kuzma to the Memphis Grizzlies via a sign-and-trade. Washington in return receives Brandon Clarke, Jake LaRavia, and a 2023 first-round pick (No. 25 overall) from Memphis.

Where do I have to sign? It would be even better if we could replace the 1st pick with Aldama. I’d happily volunteer to drive Kyle to Dulles airport

Yeah, that's a good deal.

I think Brandon Clarke is a bad fit alongside either Gafford or Avdija, but he'd be nice when paired with Porzingis.

[Frichuela]

Some random trade speculation on Twitter

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LOL at Kuzma for Keegan Murray and MItchell

Indeed. Not a chance in a million years!

[nate33]

Coming up with something based on all the trade chatter and Bilal's rise.

Blazers get: Bradley Beal
OKC get: 8th pick, 23rd pick, Nurkic and Monte Morris
Wizards get: Simons and 3rd pick from Portland, 12th pick and 4 seconds from OKC

Thoughts?

I wish you would format your trades by what is outgoing and incoming for each time so I don't have to spend 5 minutes trying to figure it out:

Portland trades: #3, #23, Nurkic, Simons
Portland receives: Beal

OKC trades: #12 and four 2RP's
OKC receives: #8, Nurkic and Morris

Washington trade: #8 + Beal + Morris
Washington receives: #3, #12, four 2RP's, Simons

This is outrageously good for Washington and absurdly bad for Portland. Seems about right for OKC.

[popper]

Priority number one for rebuild. Unload Beal contract for expiring's and picks. Tank next season, then build from there. I see no better alternatives.

[gambitx777]

Priority number one for rebuild. Unload Beal contract for expiring's and picks. Tank next season, then build from there. I see no better alternatives.

I think tanking doesn't need to be part of the plan. Building young through the draft and scouting well and developing talent is the most important thing Lossing is arbitrary.

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[popper]

Priority number one for rebuild. Unload Beal contract for expiring's and picks. Tank next season, then build from there. I see no better alternatives.

I think tanking doesn't need to be part of the plan. Building young through the draft and scouting well and developing talent is the most important thing Lossing is arbitrary.

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I agree. It will be a natural and organic tank. Shedding Beal's contract should be the priority above and beyond all other priorities.

Edit - unfortunately, because of the NTC, we're likely to receive only 50% of fair market return value. TL should never, ever, get anywhere near another contract negotiation.

[payitforward]

A trade idea from BR. I'd certainly consider it. Of course, Clarke will probably miss 2023-24 or at least most of the season.
https://wizofawes.com/2023/06/06/trade-sending-kuzma-memphis-winner-wizards/

According to Greg Swartz of Bleacher Report, one of these teams could be the Memphis Grizzlies. Swartz proposes a trade idea that sends Kyle Kuzma to the Memphis Grizzlies via a sign-and-trade. Washington in return receives Brandon Clarke, Jake LaRavia, and a 2023 first-round pick (No. 25 overall) from Memphis.

Where do I have to sign? It would be even better if we could replace the 1st pick with Aldama. I’d happily volunteer to drive Kyle to Dulles airport

Memphis isn't going to do a trade this dumb, sorry. Wish they would!

[gambitx777]

Priority number one for rebuild. Unload Beal contract for expiring's and picks. Tank next season, then build from there. I see no better alternatives.

I think tanking doesn't need to be part of the plan. Building young through the draft and scouting well and developing talent is the most important thing Lossing is arbitrary.

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I agree. It will be a natural and organic tank. Shedding Beal's contract should be the priority above and beyond all other priorities.

Edit - unfortunately, because of the NTC, we're likely to receive only 50% of fair market return value. TL should never, ever, get anywhere near another contract negotiation.

Well I think this summer is the best chance we will get to trade Beal. He has a no trade clause so once the new rules kick in and bad teams with cap room are the only options he will more than likely just stay here and ride out the contract holding us hostage. But those rules don't fully kick in for a year. There are going to be teams on the cusp who are willing to eat the penalties for a chance at a ring or one last run for a run with their current squad.

The heat, knicks, kings, Portland, teams like that have the contracts, some picks and at least one expendable player under 25. If we are content in taking expiring deals, one young player and mostly picks for Beal we can get a deal done and I think these teams have solid packages to do so.

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[nate33]

Edit - unfortunately, because of the NTC, we're likely to receive only 50% of fair market return value. TL should never, ever, get anywhere near another contract negotiation.

Meh, "fair market value" isn't really very much for Beal at his salary. So getting 50% of not very much isn't that much of a blow. I also don't think the NTC will be THAT much of a hurdle. Yeah, it's going to rule out non-contenders from trading for him, but non-contenders weren't going to trade for him in the first place.

[payitforward]

I think you make the key point, nate.
There are only a very few teams that will 1) have good reason to want Brad & will 2) also appeal to him as a place to play out his career.

In fact, I'd say 1 is the bigger problem -- i.e., NTC notwithstanding, I bet he'd go anywhere that gave him a realistic shot at getting a ring.