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Re: 2026-27 Off-Season 

Post#641 » by JonFromVA » Wed Oct 21, 2026 6:54 pm

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JujitsuFlip wrote:Finding some two-way gems would be nice, we seem to waste those 3 spots most the time.


Players and agents aren't dumb, they look at the opportunity for getting play time on the big league team and eventually a guaranteed roster spot and choose accordingly.

The more pre-existing young players on the roster that the team has already made some sort of investment in, presumably the lower their chances are; at least that's what they'll assume.

We're two injuries away from major PT. One, if the guy can out-play Bryant and/or Tomlin in practice.


Well, when we actually have an opening, we'll start getting calls from agents; but Kenny is still a coach who would probably play Sam Merrill at PF before trusting someone unproven.
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Re: 2026-27 Off-Season 

Post#642 » by JujitsuFlip » Wed Oct 21, 2026 7:09 pm

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toooskies wrote:Unless we have both Proctor and Meleek ahead of CPJ on the depth chart, we're not cutting him. Sochan probably gets Hezonja's roster spot.

I'm more interested in some of the guys who could end up on two-ways. Walter Clayton and Dalton Knecht would be obvious improvements over RIley Minix, but I'd look for a bigger wing or big man like CJ Huntley if I can find one.
Finding some two-way gems would be nice, we seem to waste those 3 spots most the time.


Players and agents aren't dumb, they look at the opportunity for getting play time on the big league team and eventually a guaranteed roster spot and choose accordingly.

The more pre-existing young players on the roster that the team has already made some sort of investment in, presumably the lower their chances are; at least that's what they'll assume.
That's fair. Would be nice to have some useful dudes there since we always seem to be in a cap crunch.
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Re: 2026-27 Off-Season 

Post#643 » by jbk1234 » Thu Oct 22, 2026 6:34 pm

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jbk1234 wrote:Jeremy Sochan is 6'8" can defend and is unsigned. He can't shoot, but he's got a solid handle.
Blazers just waived him, so maybe the pursuit can be back on lol

Be a 2 birds with 1 stone transaction, for you. Cut Porter Jr and bring on Sochan.

Unless we have both Proctor and Meleek ahead of CPJ on the depth chart, we're not cutting him. Sochan probably gets Hezonja's roster spot.

I'm more interested in some of the guys who could end up on two-ways. Walter Clayton and Dalton Knecht would be obvious improvements over RIley Minix, but I'd look for a bigger wing or big man like CJ Huntley if I can find one.


Clayton was rumored to be going to Dallas if he cleared waivers. With Merrill, Meleek, and Mario already rostered, I'm not seeing the benefit of adding a guy like Knecht when the Cavs have glaring needs defensively.

I'm not sure CPJ makes enough that we can cut him and sign someone to the full vet minimum, and you're right that he's likely needed to eat regular season minutes at least at the beginning of the season. The Harden contract is going to haunt the Cavs all season and into the future.
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Re: 2026-27 Off-Season 

Post#644 » by toooskies » Fri Oct 23, 2026 1:57 pm

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JujitsuFlip wrote:Blazers just waived him, so maybe the pursuit can be back on lol

Be a 2 birds with 1 stone transaction, for you. Cut Porter Jr and bring on Sochan.

Unless we have both Proctor and Meleek ahead of CPJ on the depth chart, we're not cutting him. Sochan probably gets Hezonja's roster spot.

I'm more interested in some of the guys who could end up on two-ways. Walter Clayton and Dalton Knecht would be obvious improvements over RIley Minix, but I'd look for a bigger wing or big man like CJ Huntley if I can find one.


Clayton was rumored to be going to Dallas if he cleared waivers. With Merrill, Meleek, and Mario already rostered, I'm not seeing the benefit of adding a guy like Knecht when the Cavs have glaring needs defensively.

I'm not sure CPJ makes enough that we can cut him and sign someone to the full vet minimum, and you're right that he's likely needed to eat regular season minutes at least at the beginning of the season. The Harden contract is going to haunt the Cavs all season and into the future.

Vet Minimum (which Hezonja is on): $2,449,421
CPJ's contract this year: $2,406,205
Vet Min - CPJ's deal = $43,216
Cavs' space under 1st apron: $45,045

Just barely make it, unless there's some negative wiggle room where both players would get credit for more than the actual time slice of the season.
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Re: 2026-27 Off-Season 

Post#645 » by JujitsuFlip » Fri Oct 23, 2026 2:30 pm

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toooskies wrote:Unless we have both Proctor and Meleek ahead of CPJ on the depth chart, we're not cutting him. Sochan probably gets Hezonja's roster spot.

I'm more interested in some of the guys who could end up on two-ways. Walter Clayton and Dalton Knecht would be obvious improvements over RIley Minix, but I'd look for a bigger wing or big man like CJ Huntley if I can find one.


Clayton was rumored to be going to Dallas if he cleared waivers. With Merrill, Meleek, and Mario already rostered, I'm not seeing the benefit of adding a guy like Knecht when the Cavs have glaring needs defensively.

I'm not sure CPJ makes enough that we can cut him and sign someone to the full vet minimum, and you're right that he's likely needed to eat regular season minutes at least at the beginning of the season. The Harden contract is going to haunt the Cavs all season and into the future.

Vet Minimum (which Hezonja is on): $2,449,421
CPJ's contract this year: $2,406,205
Vet Min - CPJ's deal = $43,216
Cavs' space under 1st apron: $45,045

Just barely make it, unless there's some negative wiggle room where both players would get credit for more than the actual time slice of the season.
You could also wait 14 days between cutting CPJ and signing someone else, since the contract will be prorated. Give ya a lil more wiggle room.
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Re: 2026-27 Regular Season 

Post#646 » by Wisedude » Sat Oct 24, 2026 4:23 pm

The biggest need on this team is a legit backup Center. Articles say that Diop is ready to play now. Altman signed him so we will see. Atkinson said he is the only one he can speak French to since Kenny is fluent in French language. What an endorsement. The meltdown against the Sixers is what we have seen the last 4 years. I have seen 10-year old kids that are coached on how to break a press, they have a plan. The Cavs have no plan to do that and they panic. You call these players "professional NBA players". LOL. Kenny is a terrible HC. No plan to even break a press, PATHETIC. EMBARRASSING.
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Re: 2026-27 Regular Season 

Post#647 » by JonFromVA » Sat Oct 24, 2026 7:37 pm

Wisedude wrote:The biggest need on this team is a legit backup Center. Articles say that Diop is ready to play now. Altman signed him so we will see. Atkinson said he is the only one he can speak French to since Kenny is fluent in French language. What an endorsement. The meltdown against the Sixers is what we have seen the last 4 years. I have seen 10-year old kids that are coached on how to break a press, they have a plan. The Cavs have no plan to do that and they panic. You call these players "professional NBA players". LOL. Kenny is a terrible HC. No plan to even break a press, PATHETIC. EMBARRASSING.


Usually I'd argue extenuating circumstances, but I really can't find any beyond just being the first game of the season and not having their wind because there were only 3 pre-season games.

Not a problem for the Sixers and old man LeBron.

You're right, they had one job this Summer and it was to figure out how they were going to deal with teams that get physical with them and pressure them. It's becoming a broken record.
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Re: 2026-27 Regular Season 

Post#648 » by jbk1234 » Sun Oct 25, 2026 1:05 pm

Wisedude wrote:The biggest need on this team is a legit backup Center. Articles say that Diop is ready to play now. Altman signed him so we will see. Atkinson said he is the only one he can speak French to since Kenny is fluent in French language. What an endorsement. The meltdown against the Sixers is what we have seen the last 4 years. I have seen 10-year old kids that are coached on how to break a press, they have a plan. The Cavs have no plan to do that and they panic. You call these players "professional NBA players". LOL. Kenny is a terrible HC. No plan to even break a press, PATHETIC. EMBARRASSING.


The biggest need is finding another ballhandler besides Harden who can close games, which given the fact we just guaranteed him $90M across three seasons is sub optimal.
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Re: 2026-27 Regular Season 

Post#649 » by toooskies » Mon Oct 26, 2026 3:44 pm

Wisedude wrote:The biggest need on this team is a legit backup Center. Articles say that Diop is ready to play now. Altman signed him so we will see. Atkinson said he is the only one he can speak French to since Kenny is fluent in French language. What an endorsement. The meltdown against the Sixers is what we have seen the last 4 years. I have seen 10-year old kids that are coached on how to break a press, they have a plan. The Cavs have no plan to do that and they panic. You call these players "professional NBA players". LOL. Kenny is a terrible HC. No plan to even break a press, PATHETIC. EMBARRASSING.

Rather than say "PATHETIC. EMBARRASSING.", I find it a lot more rewarding to try to understand the problem the team is having and why it exists. It's not good to have the problem of not keeping leads, but it's good to surface problems early in the season so they can be addressed rather than they lay dormant until the playoffs. Is it Kenny? Is it that Koby has traded all the PGs that can break a press on their own?

The NBA plan to break presses is that NBA PGs should be able to break a press by themselves, or with one screen. 10 year olds learn to pass the ball up the court because they can't dribble out of a press, the problem is that that's less successful in the NBA if the other team is jumping passing lanes and attacking handoffs. Harden doesn't have the top-end speed or the motor at his age to continually beat a press himself.

Over the years teams typically haven't pressed because most teams worth pressing would have a fast PG with a good handle. The press is coming back into style because most of those fast PGs are smaller guys who are now defensive liabilities, and so they don't see the court. It worked for the Pacers against us because our point guard with an injured toe lost his ability to run fast or be quick without pain. Well, we are finding out that not having a quick PG is an offensive liability in this scenario. We traded Garland, but Schroder was ALSO that role, and that's probably why Kenny played Harden + Schroder together more than you'd expect last year. It's why he has experimented with single bigs down the stretch.

Pressing is a liability of running James Harden at PG where you need footspeed along with a handle, and a reason we've run guard-heavy lineups is to mitigate that. Unfortunately Mitchell, Porter, and Merrill don't have the combination of handle/acceleration/speed/endurance to break presses on their own, either. They do it by committee. And then Kenny runs a lineup that's guard heavy with Harden as a nominal forward on offense/defense that has its own problems.

It's better to look at Harden as an SG or SF who initiates the offense rather than a true PG, whatever the positional designation says.
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Re: 2026-27 Regular Season 

Post#650 » by mcfly1204 » Mon Oct 26, 2026 5:02 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
Wisedude wrote:The biggest need on this team is a legit backup Center. Articles say that Diop is ready to play now. Altman signed him so we will see. Atkinson said he is the only one he can speak French to since Kenny is fluent in French language. What an endorsement. The meltdown against the Sixers is what we have seen the last 4 years. I have seen 10-year old kids that are coached on how to break a press, they have a plan. The Cavs have no plan to do that and they panic. You call these players "professional NBA players". LOL. Kenny is a terrible HC. No plan to even break a press, PATHETIC. EMBARRASSING.


The biggest need is finding another ballhandler besides Harden who can close games, which given the fact we just guaranteed him $90M across three seasons is sub optimal.

That's where I am. I'd love to see Harden as our 6th man, but can we rely on Tyson, Watson, and/or Mobley to provide enough creation next to Mitchell in the starting unit? Now is the time to see what we have, I'd hate to see the Playoffs roll in with guys like Tyson being cut down to 15 or less mpg again.
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Re: 2026-27 Regular Season 

Post#651 » by toooskies » Thu Oct 29, 2026 12:57 pm

The Cavs' bench was a big concern coming into the season. So obviously, after four games the Cavs' top 6 players in plus-minus are bench players. They've played 11 players.
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Re: 2026-27 Regular Season 

Post#652 » by JonFromVA » Thu Oct 29, 2026 3:20 pm

toooskies wrote:The Cavs' bench was a big concern coming into the season. So obviously, after four games the Cavs' top 6 players in plus-minus are bench players. They've played 11 players.


Our starting 5 group has been playing like trash, so the numbers are a bit skewed at the moment.

But Mario, Meleek, and Sam are going to help.
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Re: 2026-27 Regular Season 

Post#653 » by toooskies » Fri Oct 30, 2026 12:54 pm

Jarrett Allen on threes this year: 2/2
Peyton Watson: 3/21
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Re: 2026-27 Regular Season 

Post#654 » by JonFromVA » Fri Oct 30, 2026 10:46 pm

Our defensive rating continues to regress.

I wonder how long it's going to take before we move Harden to the second unit? Promoting Tyson seems the likely move.

I get we're paying him $30M, but with Watson, Mobley, and Allen we shouldn't be struggling so hard to construct a D.
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Re: 2026-27 Regular Season 

Post#655 » by jbk1234 » Sat Oct 31, 2026 5:54 pm

JonFromVA wrote:Our defensive rating continues to regress.

I wonder how long it's going to take before we move Harden to the second unit? Promoting Tyson seems the likely move.

I get we're paying him $30M, but with Watson, Mobley, and Allen we shouldn't be struggling so hard to construct a D.


Putting CPJ and Harden in the same unit was one of those vintage what-were-you-thinking Atkinson moves. CPJ was -10 in 4 minutes which, against a team that likes to get out in transition, was entirely predictable.

Same with pulling Allen, rather than Merrill or Harden, in favor of Watson on the Hawks last offensive possession. The Cavs couldn't rebound without Allen all night. He's the only one on the roster the opposing team bothers to put more than one body on.

It's early yet, and I'm not sure whether there's a good in-game coach available, but I don't think Atkinson has the same MOE as last season.
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Re: 2026-27 Regular Season 

Post#656 » by toooskies » Mon Nov 2, 2026 5:59 pm

Small sample size overreaction: The Cavs have played 4:17 with Harden/Mitchell/Allen/Mobley/Merrill. They're +91.7 per 100 possessions. (Most of this is the close of the Atlanta game.)
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Re: 2026-27 Regular Season 

Post#657 » by JonFromVA » Mon Nov 2, 2026 6:55 pm

toooskies wrote:Small sample size overreaction: The Cavs have played 4:17 with Harden/Mitchell/Allen/Mobley/Merrill. They're +91.7 per 100 possessions. (Most of this is the close of the Atlanta game.)


Do other teams struggle so much balancing floor spacing, off ball movement and defense or is it just because we're always shooting ourselves in the foot?

Our starters were -1 in the Bucks blowout ...
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Re: 2026-27 Regular Season 

Post#658 » by jbk1234 » Mon Nov 2, 2026 7:57 pm

toooskies wrote:Small sample size overreaction: The Cavs have played 4:17 with Harden/Mitchell/Allen/Mobley/Merrill. They're +91.7 per 100 possessions. (Most of this is the close of the Atlanta game.)


And then, despite still having a TO in his pocket, Atkinson subbed in Watson for Allen (as opposed to Harden or Merrill), we failed to secure the defensive rebound, and the Hawks took the lead.
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Re: 2026-27 Regular Season 

Post#659 » by JujitsuFlip » Mon Nov 2, 2026 7:58 pm

JonFromVA wrote:
toooskies wrote:Small sample size overreaction: The Cavs have played 4:17 with Harden/Mitchell/Allen/Mobley/Merrill. They're +91.7 per 100 possessions. (Most of this is the close of the Atlanta game.)


Do other teams struggle so much balancing floor spacing, off ball movement and defense or is it just because we're always shooting ourselves in the foot?

Our starters were -1 in the Bucks blowout ...
We just lack spacing with that starting 5, even with Mobley shooting it 57% from deep through the early part of the season.
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Re: 2026-27 Regular Season 

Post#660 » by toooskies » Mon Nov 2, 2026 8:53 pm

JonFromVA wrote:
toooskies wrote:Small sample size overreaction: The Cavs have played 4:17 with Harden/Mitchell/Allen/Mobley/Merrill. They're +91.7 per 100 possessions. (Most of this is the close of the Atlanta game.)


Do other teams struggle so much balancing floor spacing, off ball movement and defense or is it just because we're always shooting ourselves in the foot?

Our starters were -1 in the Bucks blowout ...

Harden and Watson starting the season in shooting slumps doesn't help. Harden starting every game with a turnover slump also doesn't help. People talk about Mitchell hijacking the offense but it's usually Harden who's dictating the half-court offense.

Note on 4 starters + Merrill: The entirety of that lineup's run was just the one shift of the Atlanta game. Merrill's only stat in that shift was a drawn offensive foul. The Cavs closed the lead from 97-88 to 112-111 over that period.

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