The Sixerfan1976 Off-Season Thread (Update: Page 61)

[PhillyRocks1]

Adding this here, cause this is the most active thread and this is so wrong that I shouldn't start a new thread...

Supposedly Willie Green opted out ...

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/4202 ... the-sixers

"The team hit a bit of a bailout with guard Willie Green choosing to opt out with his early termination option, thus becoming a free agent. Green still falls under the team's cap because he could technically stay put, but chances are someone will want his services and his expiring contract."

I don't believe this for a second, since it asn't been reported anywhere.

Do we have a salary figure on Turner? Cmon onsider, don't just tell us the blurb, get us the contract details that AP and sixers.com don't have.

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If you opt out..you must do so before July 1 and we are supposed to believe bleacherreport.com has that scoop 2 weeks later and no one else does? Also if you opt out..you are a free agent with no cap ramifications. This is 100% BS.

And i dont know turner's contract...its not the kind of stuff that I talk about with my buddy. I am sure its close to the slotted amount that a #2 pick gets.

Did you read the rest of it? It looks like it was hypothetical. They clearly say later when Greens contracts expires ater this year. Some people only read what they want to read. I think if Green backed out of this contract this board would have exploaded.

[Kobblehead]

Everyone seems ready to give up Andre. I'm not sure I'm ready to give up on the defensive potential of Jrue-Turner-Iguodala. We all saw how the perimeter defense looked during the summer league. Now add Andre to the mix and Collins on the court coaching it instead of sitting on a lawn chair. It could wipe away our BIGGEST weakness.

This team could be tenacious and downright nasty on that side of the ball regardless of the frontcourt and we could get out on the break and do our thing. We could win alot of games next year because of our transition game and tenacious defense alone.

[HartfordWhalers]

Matt Janning was invited to Sixer camp according to nba.com.

As per Willie Green, maybe above is right and its being hypothetical about a past event that didn't happen, without using any words to signify this. Either way, we still have Willie after "one of the best seasons of his career".

[ZzAzZ]

Everyone seems ready to give up Andre. I'm not sure I'm ready to give up on the defensive potential of Jrue-Turner-Iguodala. We all saw how the perimeter defense looked during the summer league. Now add Andre to the mix and Collins on the court coaching it instead of sitting on a lawn chair. It could wipe away our BIGGEST weakness.

This team could be tenacious and downright nasty on that side of the ball regardless of the frontcourt and we could get out on the break and do our thing. We could win alot of games next year because of our transition game and tenacious defense alone.

My thoughts exactly. People also seem to think that because he is going to focus on defense, he is going to equal Willie Green offensively all of the sudden.

[sixerfan1976]

Ok I will bite.

Who the heck is Matt Janning?

[Kobblehead]

Ok I will bite.

Who the heck is Matt Janning?

Looking at his stats, a skinny white kid that can't shoot.

[bdownbear]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpD8yeH0Pbw[/youtube]

[Point-God]

I think that Janning is the guy that is being talked about as best suited as an NBA point.

[sixerfan1976]

ok so he is a camp body that has no shot at making the team unless a guard gets moved(hello Willie)

[bebopdeluxe]

No... Drafting Turner was picking the best player available and that is that.

That doesn't appear to be the case. Turner will never play a single NBA minute where he is a better player than D. Cousins. Turner certainly was the best college player available, but selecting the best NBA prospect should have been the focus.

Serving up personal opinions as DEFINITIVE FACT is a quick way to get put on "ignore" around here.

[Kobblehead]

I really hope we can move Willie somehow. I really want Meeks to enter the rotation this year.

[sixerfan1976]

FWIW...the Sixers have absolutely no worries about Turner as a result of his summer league performance. They feel he and Holliday will be one of the top backcourts in the league FOR YEARS.

They keep talking about how much they love the Nocioni acquisition too. He told Collins he will play tenacious D and earn his minutes and his beef with previous employers was not with coming off the bench...but of not having a defined role.

Collins said if you give 100% effort/hustle/Defense..the minutes and defined role will be there.

[ZzAzZ]

FWIW...the Sixers have absolutely no worries about Turner as a result of his summer league performance. They feel he and Holliday will be one of the top backcourts in the league FOR YEARS.

I think only a few people are worried, seems like the majority of people understand it's the summer league and we're not really trying to win games or show off our talents. I'm still really excited about Holiday - Turner - Iguodala, if only we had a front court to play with them.

[sixerfan1976]

I think Meeks is ahead of Willie on the depth chart. I asked about a pre-camp depth chart and he basically made it sound like(assuming no trades for now)

Jrue/Lou
Evan/Meeks/Green
HAwes/Speights/J.Smith
Andre/Nocioni/Kapono
Brand/Thad

Lou would play off the ball alot tho and Evan would play PG some when they were matched up together. Also said Thad could start at PF and Brand at center against teams that dont have alot of size and have more speed.

He really didnt tell me anything about an expected defined role for Green,Kapono or smith.

At this point..I would take Reggie Evans back from Kapono to give us anotehr hustler.(havent heard of anything..just feel he fits the Collins D-up mold.)

[Kobblehead]

Lou playing off the ball in an interesting concept. Probably means that he's been working on catch and shoot over the summer.

[Bring Back 1983]

It is interesting that we tend to focus on Hawes in the Dalembert trade, but it may well be that Ed's focus is the Nocioni end. I like him as a 7th or 8th guy in a rotation but nothing more. I think we all can agree that with that depth chart and roster we should not have a losing season (only Boston, Miami, Orlando, Chicago, Atlanta and maybe Milwaukee are clearly better in the East on paper).

Let's assume that what we have is what we have on opening day. Now what? I think the pink elephant in the room is - what if it becomes obvious this team is better with Brand on the bench (or not playing at all)? It's not so out there if Thad shows he can be effectiive as a stretch 4 with his added weight. Are we really going to sit a guy making $16 million a season to develop for the future? Do you send him with a future No. 1 to bribe someone to take him for an expiring (hello Orlando)? Because once the fun of possible player moves is over, that is going to be the biggest question hanging over the roster.

[Foshan]

if Thad can manage the 4, I bet they run Brand at the 5 long before benching him. And while i don't like it, if the Jrue-turner-iggy ends up being as ferocious on D as it looks like it should be, a Young-Brand tandem down low might surive against most teams by taking advantage of bad entry passes and fast help D.

[ZzAzZ]

If Brand was bad enough to sit on the bench, which I personally don't think he will be, I don't think we are in the position to bench him right now. Not purely because of the amount of money he makes but if other teams see that we are sitting him then what little trade value he has is absolutely gone. If it's me, I think it's better in the long run to let him play no matter what and at least try to get some numbers out of him and make us look like we aren't absolutely desperate to get him out of here.

[PhenomThad31]

**** Brand for taking minutes away from Speights, Hawes and Young.

That being said he is by far our best interior defender(which isn't saying much at all).

[Bring Back 1983]

If Brand was bad enough to sit on the bench, which I personally don't think he will be, I don't think we are in the position to bench him right now. Not purely because of the amount of money he makes but if other teams see that we are sitting him then what little trade value he has is absolutely gone. If it's me, I think it's better in the long run to let him play no matter what and at least try to get some numbers out of him and make us look like we aren't absolutely desperate to get him out of here.

That is my point precisely. Are we going to let his mere presence dictate a non-basketball decision. Collins seems adamant that your merit and worth to the team dictates how much you play. I don't know if that same logic applies to Elton. And that's a problem, because if we are truly on the OKC model, you have to let your growing young talent play with each other.

I mean if we get 80% of old-school Brand, this point is moot. But as much as we get on Eddie Jordan, he may have been onto something when he said the team was better when Brand played limited minutes (that six block game vs Houston came in twenty-something minutes.

This is probably less fun than our usual hypothetical Iguodala trade of the day, but if SF76 is correct that we are not pressed to make any more moves then we have this issue staring us right in the face.