The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason

[AtheJ415]

The wishful pipe dreaming for a Knight trade should just quit right now.

Nobody is going to pony up 56 mill over 4 yrs for this misguided chucker. Not when you could just sign GGreen, Courtney Lee, or JCrawford for way way less.

Knight was a mistake... and he is our mistake, like it or not. McMully pooed the screwch on both BK and Chandler. They have no value right now... period. Best bet is to try to make the best out of it.... and thus the company spew from Watson. God, I hope he was just spouting. The last thing I want to see is Booker being compromised.

You want to trade somebody... start with Bledsoe

Just like Kieff huh?

if you mean Kieff at 24 million is just like Knight at 56 million ...then sure

If you mean a 26 year old Kieff with a toxic personality and a pending felony, with half the production of Knight at age 24 and no character issues whatsoever...then sure.

[TeamTragic]

The only way I give them OUR 1st is if they include Portis. I think that pick will have the most value/leverage draft night. The only problem is Boston has the nets pick and they are doing the same dance we are.

CHI: Butler/Portis
PHX: 2016 #3/2016 #13/2016 #29/Knight/Goodwin

Do you mean the above trade? That is too much. No way that we offer the #3 pick.

No, I would not trade the 2016 #13 (morris pick). I like that pick for Skal or Sabonis depending on what we do with the 2016 #13. I had not really thought about using the 2016 #29 much either as I would rather stash Zizic with that pick unless someone falls.

I was thinking more 2016 #3 only

CHI: Butler/Portis
PHX: 2016 #3/Knight/Goodwin

Bulls would hang up. Add in #29.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jlto9nw

Who says no?

[jcsunsfan]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jlto9nw

Who says no?

Me. I am not all that enamored with Love these days. Knight and Archie, fine. But not Len. I do not want to give up on another big man too early.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jlto9nw

Who says no?

Me. I am not all that enamored with Love these days. Knight and Archie, fine. But not Len. I do not want to give up on another big man too early.

Fair enough. We can afford to keep both Len and Chandler for one more year - hopefully, that's enough time to assess Alex (but does that mean we wait a year to extend him?). Recently with Alex, it's seemed to be some combination of a lack of aggression, fatigue, and mental issues. Some of these may be temporary. Hopefully we see a better player next season.

[saintEscaton]

I'd def give up Len in a package for KLove value wise, but it doesn't move the needle. We aren't a single piece away from achieving anything, no more kneejerk lateral moves to keep the ship afloat plz

[NaturalBuns]

Why do people make it out that trying to get a 7th or 8th seed is bad? Because you stay mediocre?


I went back over the last 5-6 season of both conferences 7-8th seeded teams and it looked like that's almost the way to go if you don't have a top 5 player. All those teams that ppl portray as mediocre ended up exploding.

Boston had 7th seed doing fine as hell
Hawks had 8th seed turned it in 1st.
Pacers had 8th seed turned it into elite status behind cavs.

Houston had 8th seed and now makes the playoffs yearly and does damage. OKC had 8th seed.....

The list goes on and on.
The barely making the playoffs is a
Myth or behind times with how it works now.

The key is though that you have to be a team who is young and on the upswing to have a promising future at the 7 or 8 seed. For us, we've got to build around youth and a similar age range. Once they become good enough, we'll be in those spots, but until then, I don't see why we'd be better off with some plans to get there that involve signing vets or trading youth for moderate upgrades like I've seen at times here.

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Signing a few vets isn't bad if they embrace the role of coaching the young guys. I can def say I'm happy with chandler because Len is really starting to develop. Dragic and Bledsoe developed under HOF guards. I feel like you need that mix unless you draft a superstar like Anthony Davis or along those lines.

[carey]

I can def say I'm happy with chandler because Len is really starting to develop.

1-18 over his last 2 games. He forgets he is 7 feet tall sometimes. I'm trying to remain optimistic but I'm close to out on Len. If you were to move him in a package with Knight and/or a future pick for a very good PF I wouldn't be heartbroken.

[carey]

Fair enough. We can afford to keep both Len and Chandler for one more year - hopefully, that's enough time to assess Alex (but does that mean we wait a year to extend him?). Recently with Alex, it's seemed to be some combination of a lack of aggression, fatigue, and mental issues. Some of these may be temporary. Hopefully we see a better player next season.

There is no wait. You either extend him by (I believe) October 31st or he becomes an RFA. At this point i think you have to go the RFA route to see what he is worth.

[carey]

I keep seeing people suggest we trade for Butler. Why? He isn't a SF and neither is Booker. Have we not learned our lesson of forcing guys to play out of position?

[saintEscaton]

I keep seeing people suggest we trade for Butler. Why? He isn't a SF and neither is Booker. Have we not learned our lesson of forcing guys to play out of position?

He can guard both wing positions, he would be fine at the 3

[dremill24]

We're quibbling over the difference between a SG and SF now?

[Puff]

I keep seeing people suggest we trade for Butler. Why? He isn't a SF and neither is Booker. Have we not learned our lesson of forcing guys to play out of position?

Our best success was when we did play guys out of position.

Playing Amare at the 5 and Marion at the 4 worked extremely well on most nights. It is about getting your best players on the court.

I really see Booker at the 3 in the future. I think he will be fantastic and I wanted him to play there this season prior to Bledsoe going down. Certain match ups will be a problem. That is why you are allowed to carry 15 players.

I wish Warren could rebound and play better defense. I would like to see him at the 4. Draft one of those long armed physical freaks to rebound and play defense and lets run teams out of the gym.

I am not convinced that a front court of Chandler and Len is ever going to work.

[letsgosuns]

I have no clue what the Suns will do. This team is so awful I would not mind seeing 13 new players alongside Booker and Warren. Alex Len has really embarrassed himself recently. He went on a hot streak where he looked like an all-star center and has done a 180 since then. Now he looks like a third string center. It is mind boggling.

Even the thought of the number one pick does not excite me. It ain't like the players coming into the league now are like the 1980's or 1990's rookies. Look at a team like the Timberwolves. They have the last two number one picks in Wiggins and Towns who are both rookies of the year and that team sucks. How long is it going to take for them to be an actual playoff caliber team? 2-3 more years? Who knows. Everybody was obsessed with Porzingis early in the year and the Knicks ended up being a terrible team even with him and Carmelo. The time where rookies came in and transformed a team overnight seems like a thing of the past.

Unless the Suns get the first or second pick, I think they will trade their pick for a superstar. Everyone besides Booker and maybe Warren should be available in a trade plus all the other picks they own. Six years of horrendous basketball is destroying this franchise. They have to trade for a legit superstar to make the team relevant again. I do not want to see them continue to build a team around mediocre players and miss the playoffs. Idk who they will target but it better be someone that is an actual MVP caliber player.

[Damkac]

I'm sure there is lots of GMs wanting to trade to us their MVP caliber superstars.

Rookies don't transform team overnight because they are coming to the league earlier. If you expect a 19 years old player to make your team a contender then you are going to be upset.

Booker is model sg. Why people want to play him out of position? He is not pg he is not sf. Maybe let's play him as center?

[letsgosuns]

I'm sure there is lots of GMs wanting to trade to us their MVP caliber superstars.

Rookies don't transform team overnight because they are coming to the league earlier. If you expect a 19 years old player to make your team a contender then you are going to be upset.

Booker is model sg. Why people want to play him out of position? He is not pg he is not sf. Maybe let's play him as center?

This is exactly what I am thinking and Idk what to do about it. The Suns have to hope one of the teams out there has a disgruntled superstar that asks for a trade and then the Suns can swoop in and do it. Otherwise, no team wants to trade a superstar just for the sake of it unless they want to rebuild. Plus like you said, the majority of players coming into the league now are simply not ready for the NBA. I have talked about that before too. These things are major reasons why there are maybe a handful of good teams in the league and the rest all have no chance to win a championship.

That is also why I think the Warriors might break the Bulls record and the Spurs have not lost at home yet. The quality of teams this year is the worst I have ever seen. There are so many bad teams.

[Saberestar]

I think that we have to extend Len’s contract this summer not matter what.

Look, he is not a great player, but he is a decent young player who is not a headcase and he wants to play for us. That's important because we are not a FA market. He can improve the next few years ( we need to remember that he is not even 23 years old) he is solid enough to be a good two-way C like Robin Lopez or Jonas Valanciunas with a little more experience.

I am OK with the idea of give him a $50M / 4 years contract. In the current market he values that money easily.

[Saberestar]

Regarding Tyson Chandler, I don't care if he is traded or not this summer. He can be our backup C next season because we are not going to spend a lot of money, so his salary wouldn't be a problem.

[carey]

Our best success was when we did play guys out of position.

Playing Amare at the 5 and Marion at the 4 worked extremely well on most nights. It is about getting your best players on the court.

I really see Booker at the 3 in the future. I think he will be fantastic and I wanted him to play there this season prior to Bledsoe going down. Certain match ups will be a problem. That is why you are allowed to carry 15 players.

I wish Warren could rebound and play better defense. I would like to see him at the 4. Draft one of those long armed physical freaks to rebound and play defense and lets run teams out of the gym.

We're quibbling over the difference between a SG and SF now?

My take is that players want to play the position they feel comfortable in and are best suited for. Do you not recall how much Marion bitched daily about having to guard opposing PFs? Or that Amare would routinely state that he was a PF and not a C? That Dragic complained because he wasn't being used correctly all the time during his last season with us. This is the type of thinking that's going to get us Bledsoe-Knight-Booker line-ups next year and it is going to be garbage. It's one thing if you have a versatile guy like Draymond Green or Marion. It's quite another thing to bring in Butler and tell him he's now a SF. And the best thing about Green is that he knows he's versatile, that was one of his strengths that got him drafted. It's completely different than what you're talking about doing with Booker & Butler or what the team is currently doing with Knight & Bledsoe or Len & Chandler.

Booker isn't a SF either and Warren will never be a PF. He can't even guard physical SFs right now. This square peg in a round hole attitude has got to stop.

[dremill24]

Our best success was when we did play guys out of position.

Playing Amare at the 5 and Marion at the 4 worked extremely well on most nights. It is about getting your best players on the court.

I really see Booker at the 3 in the future. I think he will be fantastic and I wanted him to play there this season prior to Bledsoe going down. Certain match ups will be a problem. That is why you are allowed to carry 15 players.

I wish Warren could rebound and play better defense. I would like to see him at the 4. Draft one of those long armed physical freaks to rebound and play defense and lets run teams out of the gym.

We're quibbling over the difference between a SG and SF now?

My take is that players want to play the position they feel comfortable in and are best suited for. Do you not recall how much Marion bitched daily about having to guard opposing PFs? Or that Amare would routinely state that he was a PF and not a C? That Dragic complained because he wasn't being used correctly all the time during his last season with us. This is the type of thinking that's going to get us Bledsoe-Knight-Booker line-ups next year and it is going to be garbage. It's one thing if you have a versatile guy like Draymond Green or Marion. It's quite another thing to bring in Butler and tell him he's now a SF. And the best thing about Green is that he knows he's versatile, that was one of his strengths that got him drafted. It's completely different than what you're talking about doing with Booker & Butler or what the team is currently doing with Knight & Bledsoe or Len & Chandler.

Booker isn't a SF either and Warren will never be a PF. He can't even guard physical SFs right now. This square peg in a round hole attitude has got to stop.

While some of those are valid points, they don't address the SF/SG 'issue.' Yes, there becomes some issues in some cases when playing 1s at the 2 and 5s at the 4. But a true SG almost never has an issue at SF. Those 2 positions have always been the 2 most interchangeable spots on the Court, even before the small ball revolution. Are you suggesting that Butler cant/doesn't guard the Kawhi Leonards, LeBron James of the world? Cause that's just inaccurate. Or is there some other measure of being a "SF" that I don't know about?