Raptors Select Paskal Siakam 27th

Fairview4Life · Post #661 » by **Fairview4Life** » Wed Jun 29, 2016 7:39 pm

The question is why he thinks Siakam has a low bball IQ.

MEDIC · Post #662 » by **MEDIC** » Wed Jun 29, 2016 8:42 pm

Fairview4Life wrote:The question is why he thinks Siakam has a low bball IQ.

Actually that's not the biggest issue here & it certainly isn't the question. The post suggesting & was racist (as well as other offensive comments) is the much bigger issue. That poster should be banned.

As far as explaining myself, if people read my subsequent posts, I explained myself pretty clearly (that I initially made that evaluation based on some highlight reel material & probably jumped to a conclusion a little too quickly). I the went on to say that after watching the full game footage, it gave me a clearer picture of him as a player & that I saw a lot of good things.

MEDIC · Post #663 » by **MEDIC** » Wed Jun 29, 2016 8:46 pm

Oh, & BTW. I have no issues with the pick & am looking forward to seeing Pascal in summer league.

Just like probably everybody else, I had a guy in mind at 27 that we passed on & thought was BPA. Pascal could easily prove me wrong & I hope he does.

dTox · Post #664 » by **dTox** » Wed Jun 29, 2016 8:57 pm

I disagree with Medic on quite a few topics over the past few years, but he doesn't come off as racist. Can sometimes sound like an old geezer :wink:

but not racist

Yallbecrazy · Post #665 » by **Yallbecrazy** » Wed Jun 29, 2016 9:24 pm

Your post was full of unintentional racism, you are not a racist, you don't want to be racist, but your comment was. Every time someone calls a white WR sneaky fast they are being racist. Every time a white/black player is compared to another white/black player when there are many more players of the opposite race that are better comparisons they are being racist. Not harmfully racist, but still racist

MEDIC · Post #666 » by **MEDIC** » Wed Jun 29, 2016 9:54 pm

Yallbecrazy wrote:Your post was full of unintentional racism, you are not a racist, you don't want to be racist, but your comment was. Every time someone calls a white WR sneaky fast they are being racist. Every time a white/black player is compared to another white/black player when there are many more players of the opposite race that are better comparisons they are being racist. Not harmfully racist, but still racist

That's more along the lines of stereotyping rather than racism. Everybody on the planet would be considered racist if you used the word in that context.

Generally racism is a form of discrimination (against categories of people).......which I certainly wasn't doing when commenting on Pascal's game.

Anyhow.......my comment wasn't even stereotyping. I just called it like I saw it based on some of the shots I saw him take in the highlight video I watched.

I do admit to some things said about me in this tread though:

1. I am an old geezer (relative to the posters on this site). :lol:

2. I do sometimes jump to conclusions a little too quickly.

OakleyDokely · Post #667 » by **OakleyDokely** » Wed Jun 29, 2016 10:02 pm

Kabookalu · Post #668 » by **Kabookalu** » Wed Jun 29, 2016 10:33 pm

Jeez lay off the racist comments. If you're going to accuse him of something it'd be ignorance, not racism. I also assumed Pascal had low basketball IQ when I first heard of him too, but that's not because he's african, but because I heard he only started playing basketball not too long ago. Those kinds of players tend to have low basketball IQ, and we've had a slew of them, Nathan Jawai and Biyombo most notable.

I realize that watching more of him that he does have a good feel for the game.

Pascal's an athletic freak with a high motor that wasn't supposed to be on board in the first round, the assumption should be that he's lacking in a major part of his game, and the lazy safe guess would be to say his basketball IQ is lacking.

Fairview4Life · Post #669 » by **Fairview4Life** » Wed Jun 29, 2016 11:10 pm

So someone starts playing basketball a short time in the past, puts up monster numbers and wins the POY in his mid major conference...yeah, I'd probably go with a high bball IQ, thanks.

Kabookalu · Post #670 » by **Kabookalu** » Wed Jun 29, 2016 11:25 pm

Fairview4Life wrote:So someone starts playing basketball a short time in the past, puts up monster numbers and wins the POY in his mid major conference...yeah, I'd probably go with a high bball IQ, thanks.

Look up Thomas Robinson.

Fairview4Life · Post #671 » by **Fairview4Life** » Wed Jun 29, 2016 11:40 pm

Choker wrote:
Fairview4Life wrote:So someone starts playing basketball a short time in the past, puts up monster numbers and wins the POY in his mid major conference...yeah, I'd probably go with a high bball IQ, thanks.

Look up Thomas Robinson.

He was one of the top high school recruits in the country. What's wrong with Robinson, other than him not being a very good NBA player?

Kabookalu · Post #672 » by **Kabookalu** » Wed Jun 29, 2016 11:45 pm

Fairview4Life wrote:
Choker wrote:
Fairview4Life wrote:So someone starts playing basketball a short time in the past, puts up monster numbers and wins the POY in his mid major conference...yeah, I'd probably go with a high bball IQ, thanks.

Look up Thomas Robinson.

He was one of the top high school recruits in the country. What's wrong with Robinson, other than him not being a very good NBA player?

Cause you think it's inconceivable for a low IQ player to put up monster numbers in college. Thomas Robinson did just that in a significantly tougher conference than Pascal.

Fairview4Life · Post #673 » by **Fairview4Life** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 12:28 am

Choker wrote:
Fairview4Life wrote:
Choker wrote:
Look up Thomas Robinson.

He was one of the top high school recruits in the country. What's wrong with Robinson, other than him not being a very good NBA player?

Cause you think it's inconceivable for a low IQ player to put up monster numbers in college. Thomas Robinson did just that in a significantly tougher conference than Pascal.

No I don't. You could have used Michael Beasley instead too, if you wanted, and still missed the point.

I said that it is weird to me that someone would think a player who is new to basketball and starts putting up big numbers immediately would be a low bball iq player. Your criteria for thinking he is a low bball iq player is that he just started playing basketball recently. I find it weird that excelling at something very quickly would make you think that person has a low iq about that thing.

canballer · Post #674 » by **canballer** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 12:39 am

I don't really get where this low IQ thing is coming from.

I will admit that I didn't watch any New Mexico State so my perspective is based purely on the scouting video of his plays. In that video he showed very good court vision and a nose for the ball off the rim. These two things, in fact, require high basketball IQ. He may still be learning some tricks of the trade but to label this particular player as having a low basketball IQ is strange to me. It's possible that I am missing something but to me the combination of court vision / nose for the ball actually speaks to natural aptitude.

Kabookalu · Post #675 » by **Kabookalu** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 12:44 am

Fairview4Life wrote:
Choker wrote:
Fairview4Life wrote:
He was one of the top high school recruits in the country. What's wrong with Robinson, other than him not being a very good NBA player?

Cause you think it's inconceivable for a low IQ player to put up monster numbers in college. Thomas Robinson did just that in a significantly tougher conference than Pascal.

No I don't. You could have used Michael Beasley instead too, if you wanted, and still missed the point.

I said that it is weird to me that someone would think a player who is new to basketball and starts putting up big numbers immediately would be a low bball iq player. Your criteria for thinking he is a low bball iq player is that he just started playing basketball recently. I find it weird that excelling at something very quickly would make you think that person has a low iq about that thing.

To assume that he has high basketball IQ because he excelled in college would just be as lazy of an assumption.

Fairview4Life · Post #676 » by **Fairview4Life** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 1:44 am

Choker wrote:
Fairview4Life wrote:
Choker wrote:
Cause you think it's inconceivable for a low IQ player to put up monster numbers in college. Thomas Robinson did just that in a significantly tougher conference than Pascal.

No I don't. You could have used Michael Beasley instead too, if you wanted, and still missed the point.

I said that it is weird to me that someone would think a player who is new to basketball and starts putting up big numbers immediately would be a low bball iq player. Your criteria for thinking he is a low bball iq player is that he just started playing basketball recently. I find it weird that excelling at something very quickly would make you think that person has a low iq about that thing.

To assume that he has high basketball IQ because he excelled in college would just be as lazy of an assumption.

You keep ignoring the second part of my point, for some reason.

Basically, if I see someone pick something up and they are immediately good at it, I would not jump to the conclusion that they don't know much about what they are doing.

Rustyman · Post #677 » by **Rustyman** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 1:44 am

Enough

TheGoodDoctor · Post #678 » by **TheGoodDoctor** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 2:07 am

Only recently took up basketball, his former coach and opposing coaches rave about him, our GM who values character and intelligence loves him, he wins POY 2 years in a row in his division and has one of top 3 PERs in the entire draft...

Assumption: must have a low bball IQ?!?

Kabookalu · Post #679 » by **Kabookalu** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 2:59 am

Fairview4Life wrote:
Choker wrote:
Fairview4Life wrote:
No I don't. You could have used Michael Beasley instead too, if you wanted, and still missed the point.

I said that it is weird to me that someone would think a player who is new to basketball and starts putting up big numbers immediately would be a low bball iq player. Your criteria for thinking he is a low bball iq player is that he just started playing basketball recently. I find it weird that excelling at something very quickly would make you think that person has a low iq about that thing.

To assume that he has high basketball IQ because he excelled in college would just be as lazy of an assumption.

You keep ignoring the second part of my point, for some reason.

Basically, if I see someone pick something up and they are immediately good at it, I would not jump to the conclusion that they don't know much about what they are doing.

lol you're such a handful. Your statement completely ignores the context of basketball, that someone who's new to the sport can come in and dominate on the basis of their athletic ability, which has happened, which I brought an example of, to which you said "that's missing the point."

Kabookalu · Post #680 » by **Kabookalu** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:09 am

TheGoodDoctor wrote:Only recently took up basketball, his former coach and opposing coaches rave about him, our GM who values character and intelligence loves him, he wins POY 2 years in a row in his division and has one of top 3 PERs in the entire draft...

Assumption: must have a low bball IQ?!?

You don't understand what led to that conversation. When I first heard about this guy on draft night, like so many other posters I was figuring out who he was. He's an athletic beast with a great motor and great measurements and an excellent nose for the ball. Those are the first things that pop out about him. When I hear that he wasn't even supposed to be picked in the first round, my question was, what's the catch here? What's wrong with him that he's not even on anyone's radar in the first round? When I heard he played basketball late, that was when I told myself that must be it, he's raw to the game and probably hasn't developed the same nuance and knowledge for basketball as his peers did when they're kids.

And yet when I did more research, I found out he does have a good feel for the game, and he has potential to be a good jump shooter. Now I'm thinking, we got a massive steal, a potential lottery pick phased out by scouts just because of his age and the conference he played in, which is a pitiful way to judge a prospect, and I gave scouts the benefit of the doubt that they were right to not even consider him as a first round pick and falsely assumed it was his basketball IQ that was wrong with him.

Though looking back at the draft, now I don't see much separating between him and Marquesse Chriss, just age.