2017 Hawks Offseason Thread

[macd-gm]

I think we're in good hands. Shiiii, I just watched the moon blot out the sun and we didn't all die. Surely that was a good omen for the Hawks to set on a path to a rang.

Queue hawks racist outburst, dui, drug bust, or nypd take down in 3,2.....

[Jamaaliver]

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[macd-gm]

Hearing about the projected top 2 guys in the draft it seems like we would be supreme idiots not to sink low this season.

[jayu70]

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If that happens it tells me a few things:
1. Bud is a heck of a coach
2. Our players aren't as bad as the rest of the NBA world and Hawks fans think.
3. The rest of the East for supposedly having more talent on their rosters than the Hawks is really putrid.

[Jamaaliver]

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[Spud2nique]

To me the 2 biggest position battles are with Bembry trying to sneak into the sg/sf spots and cracking the starting lineup or more minutes and of course John Collins starting over Ersan. I love Ersan but Bud needs to look at the bigger picture here. We need to lose games and develop the youth.

Pg Dennis
Sg Bembry
Sf Prince
Pf Collins
C- Dedmon

That's what my starting lineup would look like. Yes, I'm not trying to exactly win games I'm just trying to develop.

[jayu70]

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[Spud2nique]

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Ooooohhh wow...Plum is pissed and ready I like it lol.

[Jamaaliver]

Methinks we're gonna see a lot of box scores like this one from Dennis this year:

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High scoring, low assists in a loss...

[MaceCase]

FIBA/Europeans count assists a looooot different than the NBA. You don't get an assist in Europe unless a pass directly leads to a layup or shot in .5 seconds from a single continuous move. It's unlike the NBA where a guy can do 3 dribbles, 4 steps, a pump fake and a turnaround jumper after receiving a pass yet the passer still gets credited with the assist. Teodosic was considered the best PG in Europe and is a magician level passer yet still clocked under 6 assists per game, he's likely to match that even coming off the bench in lower minutes for the Clippers this season.

[Wiltside]

ATLiens, I come in peace!

It seems pretty obvious your Hawks are on the verge of a complete rebuild. As long as they do things right, they should be able to turn things around rather quickly.

Could they be the worst team in the league next year?

Big questions going into this season:

1. Can DeWayne Dedmon play himself into a bigger contract?

2. Will Dennis Schroder be the PG of the future?

3. Does Kent Bazemore have a bounce back in him?

4. Can the Hawks land the #1 overall pick?

Have a read of my take on what new GM Schlenk should do and let me know your thoughts!

Article is here if you're interested guys: https://thefourpointplay.blog/2017/08/29/nba-hawks-season-preview/

[kg01]

FIBA/Europeans count assists a looooot different than the NBA. You don't get an assist in Europe unless a pass directly leads to a layup or shot in .5 seconds from a single continuous move. It's unlike the NBA where a guy can do 3 dribbles, 4 steps, a pump fake and a turnaround jumper after receiving a pass yet the passer still gets credited with the assist. Teodosic was considered the best PG in Europe and is a magician level passer yet still clocked under 6 assists per game, he's likely to match that even coming off the bench in lower minutes for the Clippers this season.

Thanks for making that distinction. Many times things like that get lost when we view stat lines. It comes up a lot during the draft.

On another note, tell ya boy Dolf 'n the fam to hang in there down in H-town. Hey, I'm not a monster.

[jayu70]

ATLiens, I come in peace!

It seems pretty obvious your Hawks are on the verge of a complete rebuild. As long as they do things right, they should be able to turn things around rather quickly.

Could they be the worst team in the league next year?

Big questions going into this season:

1. Can DeWayne Dedmon play himself into a bigger contract?

2. Will Dennis Schroder be the PG of the future?

3. Does Kent Bazemore have a bounce back in him?

4. Can the Hawks land the #1 overall pick?

Have a read of my take on what new GM Schlenk should do and let me know your thoughts!

Article is here if you're interested guys: https://thefourpointplay.blog/2017/08/29/nba-hawks-season-preview/

Some of us here have talked about Dedmon, Illyasova, Baze, Belli etc....They will see playing time early and often to start the season - up there value for possible trades at the deadline.
I don't think they'll all be moved (Dedmon and Illy have to agree to be traded) since we still need capable players next to the current young guys so they don't flounder like Philly did.
Dennis was the PG of the future when Teague was traded for the #12 pick last year. So as of today - yes he is.

[macd-gm]

I think Dedmon and Ersan only signed here to get traded to a contender. So they have to agree so they don't end up in brooklyn or orlando.

[Jamaaliver]

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Westgate Las Vegas SuperBook lists the Hawks’ win total at 25.5 for the 2017-18 season. Only the Bulls have a lower total at 21.5.

[Spud2nique]

Yup...I just kinda went through the schedule when it was released last week and counted about 23 or so wins for us. 25.5 sounds about right. I'm hoping the Bulls get more than 21.5...lol.

[Spud2nique]

FIBA/Europeans count assists a looooot different than the NBA. You don't get an assist in Europe unless a pass directly leads to a layup or shot in .5 seconds from a single continuous move. It's unlike the NBA where a guy can do 3 dribbles, 4 steps, a pump fake and a turnaround jumper after receiving a pass yet the passer still gets credited with the assist. Teodosic was considered the best PG in Europe and is a magician level passer yet still clocked under 6 assists per game, he's likely to match that even coming off the bench in lower minutes for the Clippers this season.

Thanks for making that distinction. Many times things like that get lost when we view stat lines. It comes up a lot during the draft.

On another note, tell ya boy Dolf 'n the fam to hang in there down in H-town. Hey, I'm not a monster.

Lol...Oh that's right Dolf is H town. Hoping for a quick recovery from a devasting tragedy as I actually lived in Houston for 5 years myself back in the early 80's.

Back on topic...I'm not sure if the NBA is confused on the definition of an assist or is FIBA incorrect? I always thought an assist meant when a basket is made off a pass and the player receiving the pass is in scoring motion. (As much as the Jazz stat keeper was full of crap from 1984-2002...I digress..)

Now, it seems that any pass even not immediately resulting in a field goal is counted as an assist. Just to test this I tried it in 2k. I inbounded the ball with John Collins and passed to Dennis who went all the way in for a layup and Collins got the assist....94 feet....:-|

Would this be the case in a real game? Collins would get an assist for a pass off a made layup 94 feet later? If so, then it's bs in my opinion because I don't think that's how it was in the 80's and the earlier days...We might see the Scott Skiles 30 dime record game fall this year.

[MaceCase]

FIBA/Europeans count assists a looooot different than the NBA. You don't get an assist in Europe unless a pass directly leads to a layup or shot in .5 seconds from a single continuous move. It's unlike the NBA where a guy can do 3 dribbles, 4 steps, a pump fake and a turnaround jumper after receiving a pass yet the passer still gets credited with the assist. Teodosic was considered the best PG in Europe and is a magician level passer yet still clocked under 6 assists per game, he's likely to match that even coming off the bench in lower minutes for the Clippers this season.

Thanks for making that distinction. Many times things like that get lost when we view stat lines. It comes up a lot during the draft.

On another note, tell ya boy Dolf 'n the fam to hang in there down in H-town. Hey, I'm not a monster.

Lol...Oh that's right Dolf is H town. Hoping for a quick recovery from a devasting tragedy as I actually lived in Houston for 5 years myself back in the early 80's.

Back on topic...I'm not sure if the NBA is confused on the definition of an assist or is FIBA incorrect? I always thought an assist meant when a basket is made off a pass and the player receiving the pass is in scoring motion. (As much as the Jazz stat keeper was full of crap from 1984-2002...I digress..)

Now, it seems that any pass even not immediately resulting in a field goal is counted as an assist. Just to test this I tried it in 2k. I inbounded the ball with John Collins and passed to Dennis who went all the way in for a layup and Collins got the assist....94 feet....:-|

Would this be the case in a real game? Collins would get an assist for a pass off a made layup 94 feet later? If so, then it's bs in my opinion because I don't think that's how it was in the 80's and the earlier days...We might see the Scott Skiles 30 dime record game fall this year.

Dolfino has lived up to the name, his area got out with little flooding but he's gotten his Flipper on and has been performing boat rescues in surrounding areas trying to work his way up north to his 'rents.

FIBA has always skewed more towards purism of basketball whereas the NBA has skewed more towards entertainment, and yea, officials are far less likely to indulge in "home cooking" of stats and calls because opposing fanbases travel well in Europe...
Carries, travels, true zones, assists, fouls etc. all get called differently and the style of play is also different, it's why Papa Colangelo started the whole training camp and 4 year commitment thing with Team USA, he didn't want another "FIBA sucks" moment from a player like Duncan who promptly retired from international ball after the 2004 debacle because of the stark differences.

[Spud2nique]

Uh ohhhhh...somebody is puttin in work. All star?

http://hoopshype.com/rumor/1133417/

[Spud2nique]

I know there are several big name point guards and this era being called the "golden age of point guards" and all but I think lil Goldie here is gonna get an all star reserve spot this season. It's gonna take a lot more consistency but he has shown flashes and he is capable.