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MagicFan101 wrote:Just got home and read that the target of the Spurs pursuit of a top 10 pick for LA is indeed Isaac... Interesting.
Skin wrote:Why Jonathan Isaac?
Right Time Frame - Magic are currently in player development mode. Cavs and Warriors will continue their run for the next 2-3 years at least. By that time Lebron will be 35 years old and there should be room for new powers to emerge in the East. This time will allow Isaac to mold his body and develop his game... and hopefully, he could be the budding star ready to lead the Magic's next run at the top.
Versatility, Rareness and Fit - Isaac's ability to play 3-5 makes him among the short list of players in the NBA who can do it (Lebron, Giannis, Draymond). Out of the gate he will fit best at SF/PF and that combination makes him the ideal fit next to Aaron Gordon. Isaac can be the shooter/slasher at SF and long help defender at PF while Gordon plays closer to the rim on offense and on the perimeter on defense. In terms of finding another player that will fit as well as Isaac next to Gordon, this opportunity might not ever arise again... and certainly not in the same age fitting. It's hard to pass on Isaac for a PG (no matter how good) because PGs come along every year. Meanwhile, if Elfrid is here Isaac helps spread the floor for Elf's drives in the lane and also gives Elf another fluid big man to throw lobs to.
New Age Center - The Magic have always established themselves around an elite Center to propel them to the Finals (Shaq/Dwight). The next time this happens, it could be around a new age center in the mold of Jonathan Isaac. The sky is the limit for Isaac. It's no secret the league is trending towards small ball, but smarter minds know that doesn't mean length is being ignored. Length definitely still matters. The only things restricting the league from full time small ball is the available talent and the precaution of wear and tear. Regular season basketball is long and arduous... and fast paced basketball will wear teams out. But come playoff time, teams utilize every advantage over that short span and small ball often takes center stage. Isaac's versatility at his size and skills would put the Magic ahead of the curve. Make no doubt, as Isaac grows into his man suit, he WILL play some Center in the NBA and in that line up, the team that has him will have a huge advantage in playoff basketball. They will still need traditional Centers who can eat up minutes at C during the regular season. I'm not advising Isaac as a full time C because too much time at C will result in too much wear and tear on his body. But when we need him there, he will give us a huge edge.
That elusive 2 way player - The Magic have been in desperate need of a star player who can pose as both an offensive and defensive threat. Isaac could easily bring that out-of-box and he's still a very raw player. Say what you want about Isaac's tendency for allowing his veteran teammates to take center stage, and doubting his alpha dog make up. Isaac has shown passionate outbursts and stretches where he carried a veteran FSU squad. He's more than a momentum changer. When all is said and done, Isaac could be the guy to legitimize Magic basketball once again.
Health & Intangibles - Isaac comes in with a clean medical record and rap sheet. Zero issues. Nuff said. A Bronx kid who played HS basketball in Florida. He'll be sure to have a built-in support system in Orlando.
His Competition - Even if I believed Fox would develop a consistent shot to his game, he's simply not a rare enough prospect. It's too foolish to believe that a good FT% is a reliable indicator that someone will become a good shooter. This belief was followed when the Hornets selected Michael Kidd-Gilchrist #2 overall. He held a .025 3PT%, but his .075 FT% made folks believe his shot would come around. Today, Fox sports a .025 3PT% and a .074 FT% and folks are saying the same thing. That his defense, intangibles and strong desire to win are enough... Let's not make the mistake that the Hornets made.
Every Tatum fan wants to point to the FSU/Duke game where Tatum supposedly outplayed Isaac. Looking at the stat board, you would assume that. Unless you dove deeper and realized that Isaac picked up a couple of ticky tack fouls early on and was benched. When Isaac did enter the game, he gave Tatum nightmares. Tatum's old man athleticism was no match for the longer and more dynamic Isaac.
I've been high on DSJ for a long time and I'm still a huge fan. I see a Baron Davis, Steve Francis mix and I know he'll be a success in the league. I believe in him fully. So it really is splitting hairs for me when it comes to Isaac vs Smith. In the end, Isaac's upside and rarity is so high that it gives me a bad feeling that if we pass on him that Minnesota will be there to swipe him up. I'm much more fond of the available talent for PG at #25 (or in future drafts), than I am of the comparable options to Isaac at #25 (or in the future).
Our Competition - Speaking of the Wolves, they will be among the new young teams that we will be battling with in the future if health and fortune permit. The Bucks, Sixers, Knicks, Lakers, Suns, and Kings are all stockpiling youth and the Magic need to hit this pick right because there is enough talent in this draft for those teams to be making big additions this summer as well.
2017-18 Roster
PG Elfrid Payton / Jawun Evans or Frank Jackson
SG Terrence Ross / Evan Fournier (6th)
SF Jonathan Isaac / Mario Hezonja
PF Aaron Gordon / Jonathan Isaac
C Bismack Biyombo / Nikola Vucevic
No need to overthink this. Isaac sounds good, right?
Skin wrote:
Skin wrote:
Howard Mass wrote:Skin,
You really did call this huh?
Was he always your guy?
Skin wrote:Howard Mass wrote:Skin,
You really did call this huh?
Was he always your guy?
I honestly just wanted to make a case for why he should be our pick. I love debating! The more I dug into him the better I felt. The more I wanted to make that case. Sometimes during the evaluation process you dig into guys deeper and then you want to back out. I never got that with Isaac. He wasn't my #1 guy. If we had the #1 pick, I would have wanted Jackson.
This was my board that I posted when the season ended and it remained the same throughout the draft process honestly. I posted it in Ben's BB thread.
1. Josh Jackson
2. Jonathan Isaac
3. Markelle Fultz
4. Dennis Smith Jr
5. Jayson Tatum
Howard Mass wrote:Skin wrote:
Skin,
You really did call this huh?
Was he always your guy?
MagicFan101 wrote:The case for Isaac? He is a Magician. What else does he need for our support?
USA Celtics in full effect. Amazing chemistry building experience right there for the main core of the team
TKainZero wrote:Can he be in the floor with Aaron Gordon?
PennytoShaq wrote:TKainZero wrote:Can he be in the floor with Aaron Gordon?
Of course.
SD2042 wrote:PennytoShaq wrote:TKainZero wrote:Can he be in the floor with Aaron Gordon?
Of course.
I'm willing to give the kid a shot to see what he can do for the Magic. God knows we are overdue for a eventual turn around sooner or later.
PennytoShaq wrote:SD2042 wrote:PennytoShaq wrote:
Of course.
I'm willing to give the kid a shot to see what he can do for the Magic. God knows we are overdue for a eventual turn around sooner or later.
I have wanted this guy since I saw him play. Has nothing to do with FSU, I watch college basketball mainly for the NBA prospects. FSU has never really been a basketball school. Isaac's ability, plus his incredible attitude are things that stood out to me. These are things that the Magic could use. Additionally, I believe he will become a lights out shooter. It is very tough to block his shot.
