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[Def Swami]

Ignorant question alert:

are tests really that important to have at this point? Isn't everyone who has been paying attention staying indoors unless absolutely necessary? I feel like this question sounds dumber as I'm typing it but I guess it seemed a lot more important for tests initially rather than now.

Not a medical person but I assume it's important for hospitals and healthcare providers to have a positive or negative diagnosis so that the patients get the proper treatment. Also so the medical workers can protect themselves properly.

No such thing as a dumb question here.

The tests are crucial. It's the only way to understand the extent of spread right now in the country. The issue is South Korea ran over 300K tests, whereas we ran just 30K (this number was as off a few days ago). South Korea was able to know the extent of the spread and who had it. They could better pinpoint where the virus was and tell those people to stay in their homes. They had drive thru testing almost a month ago while we're just now getting those up and running.

We didn't have the tests upfront. We are still rationing tests. Even in some places, if you have symptoms, they're not doing tests. And our test results are taking 5-7 days to come back. We still don't have a good grasp on who has it. So that's why we're resorting to these drastic measures and telling everyone to stay home until we can get a better understanding of where on the curve we are.

If we knew who had it, we could better isolate those people and tell them to quarantine for 14 days until they clear. We could get a better understanding of whether we're adding new cases every day or start to see that number decline. We can't get to a normal way of life until we start to see the number of daily new cases decline, and we can't get to that number until we get enough tests.

The tests are crucial to understanding how far along we are. It'll help us determine when we can start resuming businesses. The longer we wait, the longer we all have to stay in our homes, the longer our economy suffers.

[j-ragg]

Ignorant question alert:

are tests really that important to have at this point? Isn't everyone who has been paying attention staying indoors unless absolutely necessary? I feel like this question sounds dumber as I'm typing it but I guess it seemed a lot more important for tests initially rather than now.

Not a medical person but I assume it's important for hospitals and healthcare providers to have a positive or negative diagnosis so that the patients get the proper treatment. Also so the medical workers can protect themselves properly and the patient can be quarantined.

I can understand that.

Not saying tests are pointless or anything of course. And in your scenario I get it, a healthcare worker knowing if they're infected or not can be the difference in them going and seeing their family that night or staying away. Was just thinking aloud. The tests were a debacle from the start of course I just thought with the spread we might be past even needing them for most. But like you said there's still scenarios.

[basketballRob]

Ignorant question alert:

are tests really that important to have at this point? Isn't everyone who has been paying attention staying indoors unless absolutely necessary? I feel like this question sounds dumber as I'm typing it but I guess it seemed a lot more important for tests initially rather than now.

No, unfortunately some think it's like a cold if they get it.

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What?

I've heard people tell me it's like a bad cold and nothing else if you get and aren't trying to do social distancing.

Not sure if that's relevant to taking the test to know if you have been infected or not. It's just a common theme among people I've talked too. It'll probably take the reality of people dying around them before they take it seriously.

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[j-ragg]

No, unfortunately some think it's like a cold if they get it.

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What?

I've heard people tell me it's like a bad cold and nothing else if you get and aren't trying to do social distancing.

Not sure if that's relevant to taking the test to know if you have been infected or not. It's just a common theme among people I've talked too. It'll probably take the reality of people dying around them before they take it seriously.

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I get what you were trying to do with the sarcasm I guess I didn't know if you were mocking me or something.

Not saying you don't have people telling you it's a cold but I feel like the people who have downplayed it initially have done a 180 that I've seen for the most part. And the people who still talk it down are staying inside anyway, probably just annoyed with the situation. There's a reason that people going in public are being recorded and getting millions of views imo. Those are the outliers.

Maybe I'm putting too much faith in the avg American but whether their interests are purely in humanity, economy, sports, everyone has to stay in so this **** will go away. I think people are selfish first and foremost but they all have a dog in this fight.

[spinedoc]

The absence of good, quick diagnostic testing in our country has been a debacle and is the biggest reason we're going to fall behind in controlling spread of the pandemic. That's the biggest difference between our country and others that have been successful like South Korea. We still have no idea the extent of this virus in the country.

The second biggest debacle is the lack of personal protective equipment for the healthcare workers. We're barely 2 weeks into the fight and already rationing masks.

I hate placing blame in a middle of a crisis. It's mostly unproductive. There will be plenty of time for that after we get through this.

But it's undeniable that the administration and CDC must take responsibility for the delayed response in taking this seriously, absence of tests, and lack of supplies and equipment at our hospitals. The inherent inequities of our healthcare system have also shown their warts. There are tests with quicker results, but it seems like you have be an NBA player, celebrity, or wealthy to obtain one of those. The hospital and ED visit bills that patients are receiving are so variable depending on their insurance coverage, making people think twice before going to get tested. When in a pandemic, the goal is to get as many people tested as possible.

Well said. The only thing I would add, it would also be nice to know how many people have already had the disease. Knowing who already has antibodies to this would also be very helpful.

[basketballRob]

What?

I've heard people tell me it's like a bad cold and nothing else if you get and aren't trying to do social distancing.

Not sure if that's relevant to taking the test to know if you have been infected or not. It's just a common theme among people I've talked too. It'll probably take the reality of people dying around them before they take it seriously.

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I get what you were trying to do with the sarcasm I guess I didn't know if you were mocking me or something.

Not saying you don't have people telling you it's a cold but I feel like the people who have downplayed it initially have done a 180 that I've seen for the most part. And the people who still talk it down are staying inside anyway, probably just annoyed with the situation. There's a reason that people going in public are being recorded and getting millions of views imo. Those are the outliers.

Maybe I'm putting too much faith in the avg American but whether their interests are purely in humanity, economy, sports, everyone has to stay in so this **** will go away. I think people are selfish first and foremost but they all have a dog in this fight.

I wasn't trying to mock you or be sarcastic. I'm just trying to make a point the point that some don't take it serious.

I know if i have a little runny nose which is normal during allergy season, I'll continue to occasionally go to the grocery store. I guess there is a chance it could be coronavirus or maybe I'm being a hypochondriac.

I went to Walmart yesterday morning and a employee came out to tell the crowd waiting that they had no paper or bleach yet. Then he started coughing for at least 30 seconds. Wonder how many he could infect if he had it?

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[tiderulz]

Ignorant question alert:

are tests really that important to have at this point? Isn't everyone who has been paying attention staying indoors unless absolutely necessary? I feel like this question sounds dumber as I'm typing it but I guess it seemed a lot more important for tests initially rather than now.

Not a medical person but I assume it's important for hospitals and healthcare providers to have a positive or negative diagnosis so that the patients get the proper treatment. Also so the medical workers can protect themselves properly.

No such thing as a dumb question here.

The tests are crucial. It's the only way to understand the extent of spread right now in the country. The issue is South Korea ran over 300K tests, whereas we ran just 30K (this number was as off a few days ago). South Korea was able to know the extent of the spread and who had it. They could better pinpoint where the virus was and tell those people to stay in their homes. They had drive thru testing almost a month ago while we're just now getting those up and running.

We didn't have the tests upfront. We are still rationing tests. Even in some places, if you have symptoms, they're not doing tests. And our test results are taking 5-7 days to come back. We still don't have a good grasp on who has it. So that's why we're resorting to these drastic measures and telling everyone to stay home until we can get a better understanding of where on the curve we are.

If we knew who had it, we could better isolate those people and tell them to quarantine for 14 days until they clear. We could get a better understanding of whether we're adding new cases every day or start to see that number decline. We can't get to a normal way of life until we start to see the number of daily new cases decline, and we can't get to that number until we get enough tests.

The tests are crucial to understanding how far along we are. It'll help us determine when we can start resuming businesses. The longer we wait, the longer we all have to stay in our homes, the longer our economy suffers.

its also political games. This WV couple were trying to get treatment and tested. Took almost force to get a hospital to test them, then the tests got lost. She ended up driving her husband to Virginia to get tested, all the while the WV Governor is on TV touting how well they are handling everything and that they dont have any infected cases. they need to stop playing games

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-story-behind-west-virginias-no-coronavirus-statistic/ar-BB11vXSS?li=BBnb7Kz

[tiderulz]

What?

I've heard people tell me it's like a bad cold and nothing else if you get and aren't trying to do social distancing.

Not sure if that's relevant to taking the test to know if you have been infected or not. It's just a common theme among people I've talked too. It'll probably take the reality of people dying around them before they take it seriously.

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I get what you were trying to do with the sarcasm I guess I didn't know if you were mocking me or something.

Not saying you don't have people telling you it's a cold but I feel like the people who have downplayed it initially have done a 180 that I've seen for the most part. And the people who still talk it down are staying inside anyway, probably just annoyed with the situation. There's a reason that people going in public are being recorded and getting millions of views imo. Those are the outliers.

Maybe I'm putting too much faith in the avg American but whether their interests are purely in humanity, economy, sports, everyone has to stay in so this **** will go away. I think people are selfish first and foremost but they all have a dog in this fight.

yeah. i had a friend on facebook, intelligent woman who recently moved from Ohio to Austria. She copied and posted some Flu/Corona info she must have gotten from her company, trying to downplay it all while i was stating that the mortality rates was 20-30x the flu and she was adamant this was nothing serious. fast forward 8 days and now she acts like it is serious, did her total 180. i just roll my eyes at her now

[OrlChamps2030]

I've heard people tell me it's like a bad cold and nothing else if you get and aren't trying to do social distancing.

Not sure if that's relevant to taking the test to know if you have been infected or not. It's just a common theme among people I've talked too. It'll probably take the reality of people dying around them before they take it seriously.

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I get what you were trying to do with the sarcasm I guess I didn't know if you were mocking me or something.

Not saying you don't have people telling you it's a cold but I feel like the people who have downplayed it initially have done a 180 that I've seen for the most part. And the people who still talk it down are staying inside anyway, probably just annoyed with the situation. There's a reason that people going in public are being recorded and getting millions of views imo. Those are the outliers.

Maybe I'm putting too much faith in the avg American but whether their interests are purely in humanity, economy, sports, everyone has to stay in so this **** will go away. I think people are selfish first and foremost but they all have a dog in this fight.

yeah. i had a friend on facebook, intelligent woman who recently moved from Ohio to Austria. She copied and posted some Flu/Corona info she must have gotten from her company, trying to downplay it all while i was stating that the mortality rates was 20-30x the flu and she was adamant this was nothing serious. fast forward 8 days and now she acts like it is serious, did her total 180. i just roll my eyes at her now

TBH I am happy people are doing a 180 and taking it serious now.. but there are still some in denial. Just as recent as Friday I heard coworkers at my office saying the CA/NYC state lockdowns is just another absurd crazy liberal Democrat plan and they are going to continue living their life like usual..

[Optimus_Steel]

Fox News and conservative media spent weeks saying this was some hoax, and although they have since changed their tune their viewership haven't yet.

Btw just saw Rand Paul is the 1st senator to be tested positive for covid19.

[fklt]

Can I go anywhere on the internet and not encounter anti-trump circlejerks?

when your priority is your political beliefs not being challenged on a global pandemic which seems to be the biggest crisis the world has ever seen since WW2. there there. my thoughts and prayers are with you, must be rough.

in just one week, the hospitals in NYC will be overwhelmed. people will start to die in their homes and USA will lead the world in the number of active cases. and I wonder will any of you people ask the question then, why USA, with all of its might, will be the country that have it almost the worst in the developed world.

My personal belief is it'll be worse in Florida than NY because our leadership is still in denial. NY is making their own tests and testing everyone. Here the tests are so limited that they have to be more selective. So people who have a little cough don't know and they're out spreading it.

Watching Cuomo saying that they want more funding because they have more cases. Can't argue with that.

Smart thermometer says the state of Florida and NY have the highest spike in temperatures.

https://amp-miamiherald-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article241372271.html?amp_js_v=a3&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#aoh=15848902451353&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.miamiherald.com%2Fnews%2Fcoronavirus%2Farticle241372271.html


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florida is handling this crisis way worse, but the population density and being the early epicenter of the disease in US is really making it tough on new york city.

the state's today numbers alone, with a rate of around 1100 cases per million, is worse than even italy right now. you will see the national narrative about this disease taking a much worse turn in the following days.

[OrlandO]

With the larger sample size of testing the US death rate among positive cases has decreased to 1%. Will be interesting to see if it continues to drop, holds, or spikes back up over the next week or two.

[basketballRob]

You can go to Everlywell tomorrow and get a test for 135.


https://www.everlywell.com/blog/news-and-info/our-commitment-to-fighting-covid-19/

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[basketballRob]

We have the highest percentage of seniors in the United States.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-us-states-with-the-oldest-population.html

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[fklt]

With the larger sample size of testing the US death rate among positive cases has decreased to 1%. Will be interesting to see if it continues to drop, holds, or spikes back up over the next week or two.

however you calculate it, death rate while we're still going through the pandemic is very misleading. but one common factor among all countries is that it jumps ten fold when people can not get a treatment. US still relatively has a low percentage of its population sick,which keeps the numbers down for now. expect it to rise considerably in the following weeks.

[basketballRob]

With the larger sample size of testing the US death rate among positive cases has decreased to 1%. Will be interesting to see if it continues to drop, holds, or spikes back up over the next week or two.

however you calculate it, death rate while we're still going through the pandemic is very misleading. but one common factor among all countries is that it jumps ten fold when people can not get a treatment. US still relatively has a low percentage of its population sick,which keeps the numbers down for now. expect it to rise considerably in the following weeks.

Especially here in Florida where nearly 20% of the population is seniors.

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[Driguez]

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[Ducklett]

With the larger sample size of testing the US death rate among positive cases has decreased to 1%. Will be interesting to see if it continues to drop, holds, or spikes back up over the next week or two.

however you calculate it, death rate while we're still going through the pandemic is very misleading. but one common factor among all countries is that it jumps ten fold when people can not get a treatment. US still relatively has a low percentage of its population sick,which keeps the numbers down for now. expect it to rise considerably in the following weeks.

You also don't know the total infected of something like this where 50-85% of cases have no symptoms so aren't reported.

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-severity-10-02-2020.pdf

Currently, many science universities are calculating .8-.9% lethality, but that is on the low side of unknown infections. We would have to do huge random population samples to know the full amount of mild/asymptomatic cases and have a real number on this thing. If 1% is on medium to critical cases only, we are talking about a even more substantial drop in death rate.

You should still take care of yourself and everyone else. This thing infects at an insane rate. Be safe everyone.

[nymets1]

I'm going to track some of these numbers on paper from that site bing.com/covid

As of 9:20 pm

USA- 33,889 confirmed cases( 33,282 active, 179 recovered, 428 deaths)
Florida- 937 confirmed cases( 924 active, 0 RECOVERED, 13 deaths)
Seminole county has 19 cases and Orange county has 33 cases

California- 1468 confirmed cases
Illinois- 1049 confirmed cases
Michigan- 1035 confirmed cases
New Jersey- 1914 confirmed cases
Washington- 1996 confirmed cases

Than the big one- NEW YORK- 15,168 total cases, They have 1 RECOVERED case and Florida still has 0 RECOVERED.

[MagicFan101]

With the larger sample size of testing the US death rate among positive cases has decreased to 1%. Will be interesting to see if it continues to drop, holds, or spikes back up over the next week or two.

This isn't a great way to look at things.

Here is the current snapshot of where we are in the US:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html

Basically, New York is on an Island in terms of cases and New York and Washington cover most of the deaths. We know about the nursing home insistent in Washington being an outlier.

Meanwhile, New York and Washington are tied for 26th in the 65+ % of population (as of 2018).
https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/distribution-by-age/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%2265%2B%22,%22sort%22:%22desc%22%7D


This point is that if and when (because it already has) this spreads to more vulnerable state like Florida we will see higher death rates in those local regions. I hope Florida is being extra careful.