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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#661 » by HEZI » Thu May 22, 2025 4:43 pm

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OG was probably upset that KAT could've switched onto Neismith due to how close he was, and OG would've switched onto Siakam.



Who was OG defending here? Air???

:noway: GET UP


OG was always matched up with Siakam. KAT was supposed to pick up Nesmith but instead he decided to die on that weak Siakam screen. Not only was it a weak screen but KAT purposely hugged Siakam to get bailed out from any defensive responsibility which comprised OG and the team

KATs terrible switching and rotations has always been a problem. Guys are always directing him where to go because he’s so clueless. I remember even Robinson was compromised and looked upset on a bad rotation from KAT earlier in the game.

But you can go rewatch all the other games and find KAT constantly looking lost or just late on rotations. It’s bad but just something you have to accept with KAT
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#662 » by Fury » Thu May 22, 2025 4:43 pm

That Brunson pass to OG was pretty bad too, why did he put muster on it? He should’ve just dribbled it out more. How do these players keep getting tricked to going up early? It makes no damn sense.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#663 » by Fury » Thu May 22, 2025 4:44 pm

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OG was probably upset that KAT could've switched onto Neismith due to how close he was, and OG would've switched onto Siakam.



Who was OG defending here? Air???

:noway: GET UP


OG was always matched up with Siakam. KAT was supposed to pick up Nesmith but instead he decided to die on that weak Siakam screen. Not only was it a weak screen but KAT purposely hugged Siakam to get bailed out from any defensive responsibility which comprised OG and the team

KATs terrible switching and rotations has always been a problem. Guys are always directing him where to go because he’s so clueless. I remember even Robinson was compromised and looked upset on a bad rotation from KAT earlier in the game.

But you can go rewatch all the other games and find KAT constantly looking lost or just late on rotations. It’s bad but just something you have to accept with KAT


I thought OG could’ve been a little further up knowing what’s coming but KAT totally quits on the play.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#664 » by K_ick_God » Thu May 22, 2025 4:44 pm

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Jay10 wrote:The game came down to the PG not managing the clock properly with 34 seconds left in the game and 24 seconds on the shot clock while having a 5 point lead.

All Jalen had to do was force the Pacers to foul him, while at the same time taking more time off the clock.


That pass to OG was utterly stupid.

Knowing Brunson, he probably took complete blame for last night. I expect an excellent Game 2 from him.


Mr. Bill, it's over. Haliburton was not even good last night on jumpers. Got a lucky bounce, missed a lot of 3's. Brunson made everything

But the Knicks decided to free lance, nobody is watching the store from the bench, and the rest of the series is Indiana's to lose. And they won't. They've been a good team throughout the post-season

You have to keep a guy down. Haliburton actually might have lost a ton of momentum off a kind of crappy game shooting wise for him (from outside) ... but won't happen again ... we decided to do whatever, we have NO idea what we're doing ... and the price will be paid

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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#665 » by K_ick_God » Thu May 22, 2025 4:45 pm

Fury wrote:That Brunson pass to OG was pretty bad too, why did he put muster on it? He should’ve just dribbled it out more. How do these players keep getting tricked to going up early? It makes no damn sense.


One explanation is that poor decisions come from a very tired player
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#666 » by Chanel Bomber » Thu May 22, 2025 4:47 pm

The one valid reason I can see for OG going at KAT during that timeout is if the players had been instructed to milk the clock on offense.

KAT had just scored a layup with 17 seconds left on the shotclock - a terrible decision knowing that the Pacers needed more time to achieve their comeback. Within 4 seconds we lost a point as Nesmith scored a 3 (in contrast to KAT's 2) on the following possession, with OG completely blowing the coverage.

Realistically, OG was awful on defense in the last minute, and blew a wide-open layup earlier in the 4th. And he completely fell asleep on that 3 by Nesmith, he had no business being so far deep in the paint. So he was the last person to have a go at a teammate for their defense in the ensuing timeout.

The reason I suspect it may have been about offense was that Brunson also got involved. But frankly he was also terrible in the final minutes of the game, on both ends of the court.

Two concerns for me:
- The group's togetherness is being tested.
- The Pacers just look like the smarter basketball team with Carlisle and Haliburton.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#667 » by Capn'O » Thu May 22, 2025 4:50 pm

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Jay10 wrote:The game came down to the PG not managing the clock properly with 34 seconds left in the game and 24 seconds on the shot clock while having a 5 point lead.

All Jalen had to do was force the Pacers to foul him, while at the same time taking more time off the clock.


That pass to OG was utterly stupid.

Knowing Brunson, he probably took complete blame for last night. I expect an excellent Game 2 from him.


While it was dumb, I still maintain 19 out of 20 times JB throws a better pass and we never even think about that because OG puts us up 7 on the lay in or dunk. It was a crazy unforced error from him all around.

He's gotta get better at lobs too. A good lob guarantees that bucket.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#668 » by HerSports85 » Thu May 22, 2025 4:53 pm

9 points with 54 secs left. If you just force them to shoot freethrows or 2s, it's damn near impossible for them to complete the comeback.

Why after seeing 3 after 3, the coach doesn't say hey put them on the line and run the clock out????? They were down to 1 timeout. Terrible game management despite the mistakes and missed free throws.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#669 » by K_ick_God » Thu May 22, 2025 4:53 pm

Chanel Bomber wrote:The one valid reason I can see for OG going at KAT during that timeout is if the players had been instructed to milk the clock on offense.

KAT had just scored a layup with 17 seconds left on the shotclock - a terrible decision knowing that the Pacers needed more time to achieve their comeback. Within 4 seconds we lost a point as Nesmith scored a 3 (in contrast to KAT's 2) on the following possession, with OG completely blowing the coverage.

Realistically, OG was awful on defense in the last minute, and blew a wide-open layup earlier in the 4th. And he completely fell asleep on that 3 by Nesmith, he had no business being so far deep in the paint. So he was the last person to have a go at a teammate for their defense in the ensuing timeout.

The reason I suspect it may have been about offense was that Brunson also got involved. But frankly he was also terrible in the final minutes of the game, on both ends of the court.

Two concerns for me:
- The group's togetherness is being tested.
- The Pacers just look like the smarter basketball team with Carlisle and Haliburton.


I endorse this post but you're being generous. There are like 15 non-subtle things in the last 5 minutes. Not subtle lol. Just egregious mistakes of a team that has no clue

And the concerns are worse than you're painting them to be but okay, I appreciate moderate rhetoric :)
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#670 » by FrozenEnvelope » Thu May 22, 2025 4:54 pm

I'm glad the players on the team aren't soft pussy's like some of you who have already given up.

All the true young Knicks fans were baptized by fire last night. It hurts and it's supposed to hurt. It's part of the experience and the journey!

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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#671 » by MrDollarBills » Thu May 22, 2025 4:56 pm

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Jay10 wrote:The game came down to the PG not managing the clock properly with 34 seconds left in the game and 24 seconds on the shot clock while having a 5 point lead.

All Jalen had to do was force the Pacers to foul him, while at the same time taking more time off the clock.


That pass to OG was utterly stupid.

Knowing Brunson, he probably took complete blame for last night. I expect an excellent Game 2 from him.


Mr. Bill, it's over. Haliburton was not even good last night on jumpers. Got a lucky bounce, missed a lot of 3's. Brunson made everything

But the Knicks decided to free lance, nobody is watching the store from the bench, and the rest of the series is Indiana's to lose. And they won't. They've been a good team throughout the post-season

You have to keep a guy down. Haliburton actually might have lost a ton of momentum off a kind of crappy game shooting wise for him (from outside) ... but won't happen again ... we decided to do whatever, we have NO idea what we're doing ... and the price will be paid

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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#672 » by K_ick_God » Thu May 22, 2025 4:56 pm

Chanel Bomber wrote:The one valid reason I can see for OG going at KAT during that timeout is if the players had been instructed to milk the clock on offense.

KAT had just scored a layup with 17 seconds left on the shotclock - a terrible decision knowing that the Pacers needed more time to achieve their comeback. Within 4 seconds we lost a point as Nesmith scored a 3 (in contrast to KAT's 2) on the following possession, with OG completely blowing the coverage.

Realistically, OG was awful on defense in the last minute, and blew a wide-open layup earlier in the 4th. And he completely fell asleep on that 3 by Nesmith, he had no business being so far deep in the paint. So he was the last person to have a go at a teammate for their defense in the ensuing timeout.

The reason I suspect it may have been about offense was that Brunson also got involved. But frankly he was also terrible in the final minutes of the game, on both ends of the court.

Two concerns for me:
- The group's togetherness is being tested.
- The Pacers just look like the smarter basketball team with Carlisle and Haliburton.


Also, how does 0g go at KAT for an early shot when 0g launches a 3 early in the clock?? Without that 3, we probably win. Without half a dozen things that 0g of Muscle does in this game, we win

Deuce should play even minutes at worst. 0g hasn't had a block as good as Deuce's in 0goM's Knicks career
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#673 » by MrDollarBills » Thu May 22, 2025 4:57 pm

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Jay10 wrote:The game came down to the PG not managing the clock properly with 34 seconds left in the game and 24 seconds on the shot clock while having a 5 point lead.

All Jalen had to do was force the Pacers to foul him, while at the same time taking more time off the clock.


That pass to OG was utterly stupid.

Knowing Brunson, he probably took complete blame for last night. I expect an excellent Game 2 from him.


While it was dumb, I still maintain 19 out of 20 times JB throws a better pass and we never even think about that because OG puts us up 7 on the lay in or dunk. It was a crazy unforced error from him all around.

He's gotta get better at lobs too. A good lob guarantees that bucket.


I need Jalen to spend a good bit of the summer with Mitch and KAT practicing lobs. It's a legit flaw that can be fixed with work.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#674 » by spree8 » Thu May 22, 2025 4:57 pm

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Who said they were bored? You have to read more carefully.

Your fatigue claim has been proven false over and over again. If what you say is true then they would have folded numerous times and never advanced this far. Yet they always do the opposite, they come back and play better. You don’t come back playing better the next game if you are truly fatigued. These mistakes are not fatigue related and when they play better again next game you will again be proven wrong.



You specifically said “they were too comfortable to almost being bored”.

It’s not “my” fatigue claim lol it’s professional NBA players claim.

When has it been proven wrong?

Just because they win doesn’t mean it’s not a thing. That’s spoken like someone who clearly doesn’t get it.


Comfortable, kicked back, relaxed, let the foot off the gas. Whatever phrase you want to use but don’t ignore the point. There were no signs of fatigue and even then it took Indiana making ridiculous shots just to tie.

If you care about professional athletes opinions then the only ones who’s opinion really matters is the guys who actually played the game and none of them are saying they were tired but they do admit they got complacent. On to the next one



Yea you right. Should’ve known that a guy on the internet who’s never competed in the sport knows more than NBA legends who’ve been here before and won multiple rings or the guys on our team like KAT who’s complained about being exhausted during the season or Mikal who’s complained about too many minutes being tough on the body, or previous Thibs players who’ve said similar things like Jimmy Butler. That’s my bad
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Post#675 » by Capn'O » Thu May 22, 2025 4:59 pm

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That pass to OG was utterly stupid.

Knowing Brunson, he probably took complete blame for last night. I expect an excellent Game 2 from him.


While it was dumb, I still maintain 19 out of 20 times JB throws a better pass and we never even think about that because OG puts us up 7 on the lay in or dunk. It was a crazy unforced error from him all around.

He's gotta get better at lobs too. A good lob guarantees that bucket.


I need Jalen to spend a good bit of the summer with Mitch and KAT practicing lobs. It's a legit flaw that can be fixed with work.


Yes please.

I really think that was the crux of the issue. OG expected the lob or a shot, got in position to leap, and got a bounce pass with absurd spin instead.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#676 » by K_ick_God » Thu May 22, 2025 5:00 pm

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While it was dumb, I still maintain 19 out of 20 times JB throws a better pass and we never even think about that because OG puts us up 7 on the lay in or dunk. It was a crazy unforced error from him all around.

He's gotta get better at lobs too. A good lob guarantees that bucket.


I need Jalen to spend a good bit of the summer with Mitch and KAT practicing lobs. It's a legit flaw that can be fixed with work.


Yes please.

I really think that was the crux of the issue. OG expected the lob or a shot, got in position to leap, and got a bounce pass with absurd spin instead.


0g isn't converting an oop, sorry

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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#677 » by MrDollarBills » Thu May 22, 2025 5:01 pm

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Who was OG defending here? Air???

:noway: GET UP


OG was always matched up with Siakam. KAT was supposed to pick up Nesmith but instead he decided to die on that weak Siakam screen. Not only was it a weak screen but KAT purposely hugged Siakam to get bailed out from any defensive responsibility which comprised OG and the team

KATs terrible switching and rotations has always been a problem. Guys are always directing him where to go because he’s so clueless. I remember even Robinson was compromised and looked upset on a bad rotation from KAT earlier in the game.

But you can go rewatch all the other games and find KAT constantly looking lost or just late on rotations. It’s bad but just something you have to accept with KAT


I thought OG could’ve been a little further up knowing what’s coming but KAT totally quits on the play.


I think OG was way too deep on that play. Once Siakam hit KAT he should have been up in Nesmith's grill

I also think OG was gassed.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#678 » by K_ick_God » Thu May 22, 2025 5:02 pm

I like how Mikal looks but numbers don't lie ... he and 0goM are constantly in the severe negative category

That's probably also Thibs' fault but I will admit that this is an area where maybe it's more the players, the two of them, who are deeply flawed
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#679 » by MrDollarBills » Thu May 22, 2025 5:02 pm

The power of the courtside baddies isn't enough to overcome fatigue.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#680 » by K_ick_God » Thu May 22, 2025 5:05 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
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OG was always matched up with Siakam. KAT was supposed to pick up Nesmith but instead he decided to die on that weak Siakam screen. Not only was it a weak screen but KAT purposely hugged Siakam to get bailed out from any defensive responsibility which comprised OG and the team

KATs terrible switching and rotations has always been a problem. Guys are always directing him where to go because he’s so clueless. I remember even Robinson was compromised and looked upset on a bad rotation from KAT earlier in the game.

But you can go rewatch all the other games and find KAT constantly looking lost or just late on rotations. It’s bad but just something you have to accept with KAT


I thought OG could’ve been a little further up knowing what’s coming but KAT totally quits on the play.


I think OG was way too deep on that play. Once Siakam hit KAT he should have been up in Nesmith's grill

I also think OG was gassed.


0g has no right to call out KAT. KAT rushes over and it's probably a foul. 0goM is in no man's land

Listen, if Thibs was a good coach and played 0goM smaller minutes, it could work. The combo of Thibs being a clown playing him tons of minutes has enhanced 0goM's flaws big time

Toxic combination

If the Pacers didn't do it to us, eventually it would rear its head against OKC ... that's not a team where our random, rudderless coaching and execution would ever be hidden. OKC would just take us down big time

So, it's over. Thibs should still be canned, today, right this minute, but it doesn't matter anyway unless you brought in a coach who could organize this stuff overnight somehow

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