Lather me with blather -- DRAFT thread 4

[7-Day Dray]

The Cavaliers shopping the No. 4 pick?

(NewDesignWorld Press Center) - CLEVELAND (AP) -- Turkish center Enes Kanter has worked out for the Cleveland Cavaliers, who own the Nos. 1 and 4 overall picks in this month's NBA draft.

Kanter, a 6-foot-11, 260-pounder, could be in the mix to be the second selection for the Cavs, who are expected to choose Duke point guard Kyrie Irving with the top pick. The Cavs confirmed Kanter's visit and said Irving would be in "sometime soon."
The team is not making players available for interviews.
Kanter enrolled at Kentucky last year but was ruled ineligible before the season began because he had been paid to play professionally in Turkey.
The Cavaliers have reportedly shopped the No. 4 pick, possibly to add players and perhaps another pick later in the first round.

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I saw this on the NBADraft.net forums, and the users posted no link, so this is all I got. What are your guys thoughts on this trade scenario.

#6 + #18

for

#4

Cleveland only moves down two spots and get an extra 1st roun pick, while Washington moves up and takes Kanter, if he's still available.

And if we want another 1st round pick, we could just buy Sota's, which will likely be selling the #20 pick, and we could buy it for $3 million.

[W. Unseld]

I'm sure this has been posted somewhere in the muliple draft threads but just in case it hasn't, it's worth a look if you haven't seen any game film of these guys:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1116905

[TGW]

Vesely doesn't rebound well...because he has weak hands. But the kid does have an nba-body, athleticism, and he hustles his butt off and understands defensive rotations.

Thanks for posting that thread W. Unseld.

[GhostsOfGil]

I'm sure this has been posted somewhere in the muliple draft threads but just in case it hasn't, it's worth a look if you haven't seen any game film of these guys:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1116905

wow that dwill video shows some HUGE weaknesses in his game.

[queridiculo]

The 6th and the 18th to move up two spots? No thanks.

I'd rather explore a potential trade with the Bobcats swapping 6 and 34 for 9th, 19th, and their 2nd rounder.

[dangermouse]

If Kanter is there, and I think he will be (if Utah dont select a PG i think theyll take JV if hes still in), then I would do that trade in a heartbeat. We sacrifice a mid-late first in a weak draft. Who cares. Do it do it do it!

I thought the Cavs would go for Kanter, maybe they dont see him as a C (i dont either) so I guess they might be interested in trading down (or just taking JV, a C) and picking up and extra first to grab a couple of role player/starters to go with Irving. Makes sense... I'm beginning to think Kanter in a Wiz uni is a definite possibility.

I'd do a trade involving #6 and #18 with either Jazz or Cavs and even taking back a small contract, whatever we can afford, to get it done to get Kanter. Then look to trade Blatche at or near the deadline.

If he lasts until #5 hes gone to dinosaur team and championship time. We shouldnt, we won't let that happen! I cant see the Raps trading up, they dont have the assets that we do even though they have a pick higher. Theres nothing to throw in with it.

Make it so Ern.

[hands11]

RealGM's latest mock: http://basketball.realgm.com/article/21 ... Version_30

6 - Leonard
18 - Markieff Morris

Not a bad draft if we got those two, IMO.

I wouldnt be doing back flips.

[Hoopalotta]

The Cavaliers have reportedly shopped the No. 4 pick, possibly to add players and perhaps another pick later in the first round.

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#6 + #18

for

#4

Cleveland only moves down two spots and get an extra 1st roun pick, while Washington moves up and takes Kanter, if he's still available.

It was reported by Givony that they offered the 4th pick and their TPE for Rudy Gay, but I don't think that means that they're trying to just move it in a general sense. This looser rumor seems rather in contrast to the general direction of that previous report in that they we're aiming for a 1st option scorer.

If Utah has their heart set on Jimmer, and the Kings are their only competition, we could potentially get the 3 for a song. Maybe simply taking Okur off their hands to help their cap situation.

We don't have the cap room.

We didn't have true cap space with the Hinrich deal was agreed to last summer. But we weren't going into a lockout then. I guess that brings up a larger question - what will the league allow in the way of BOYD deals during this draft since nobody knows what the future cap will be?

Well, that's no small swing there, fella.

The real issue is that we can't guarantee another team that we'll have cap space because we don't know the parameters of the new deal coming in. If there's no roll backs on our numerous rookie deals, no super-amnesty provision to dump Shard with, Nick Young has a near $8 million dollar cap hold in addition to about $4.5 million on our incoming rookies, we might not have much or any space depending on where the cap line comes down. Actually, there might not even be any rollbacks if the players threaten to sue on that one while agreeing to take hits elsewhere - the owners will go for the path of least resistance.

If everything breaks right and Ted's willing to click the ruby slippers on Rashard with a big fat amnesty check that makes him go away, we might have more than $20 million or so in functional cap space, but we can't guarantee that to anyone on draft night to where each of us should be drafting players for the other team. In having thought about it last month, that's the bigger problem than the league approval issue - we simply can't guarantee to a trading partner that we can pull a BOYD off without knowing the structure of the incoming CBA.

There's other problems too as I doubt anyone's going to prioritize dumping expiring 2012 salary if it looks like there's going to be a lot of games lost in conjunction with rollbacks. Okur may be a $10 million dollar cap hit, but he might just cost the Jazz $5 million if the season doesn't start until January.

On the other side of the CBA, I could see us pulling some lopsided salary trades, but the best deals available might not be BOYDs.

[Hoopalotta]

RealGM's latest mock: http://basketball.realgm.com/article/21 ... Version_30

6 - Leonard
18 - Markieff Morris

Not a bad draft if we got those two, IMO.

I wouldnt be doing back flips.

Agreed. A rather uninspired effort in my estimation.

[Hoopalotta]

I'm sure this has been posted somewhere in the muliple draft threads but just in case it hasn't, it's worth a look if you haven't seen any game film of these guys:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1116905

wow that dwill video shows some HUGE weaknesses in his game.

It definitely wasn't the most encouraging footage, though obviously he was cherry picking the bad plays.

Still, a large number of ugly misses in there with Williams not getting much elevation in instances where his footwork's off and he's improvising just before the release; there, he's putting up some real awkward backyard style shots whereby he attempts to use his arms to put the shot around his defender from off angles.

[closg00]

Probably common knowledge to most around here, but we are finally working out Kanter this Friday in Chicago.

Luckily it appears JV is staying in the draft.... I'd be happy with either him or Kanter and if Jimmer continues his suspected rise into the top 10 forcing Utah to draft a guard in addition to JV staying in, we get one of the two.

+1 Utah's likely strategy of drafting Kanter 3rd and Jimmer 12 is blown. I wouldn't be surprised to see Utah go with Knight and Vucevic. I don't think Vucevic goes any later than the teens.

[REDardWIZskin]

Biyombo's Stock may be taking a hit a little bit but Jimmer's is rising. He doing well in workouts.

There's a pretty significant workout scheduled today at Verizon center with Singleton, Honeycutt, Tobias Harris and Marcus Morris all working out. Should be interesting to see if Chris has worked on his J at all as Leonard has and whether Tyler can handle the physicality of the other 3 wings.

[Rafael122]

Sounds tome like Kanter's camp is worried that he might slip so he's going to workout for us. Wasn't it last week his agent said he won't last past 4?

[hands11]

Man this draft looks nice 10 - 30

[Wizardspride]

Sounds tome like Kanter's camp is worried that he might slip so he's going to workout for us.

This is what I suspect as well.

[theboomking]

Why do people act like a younger, slightly better version of Camby/Chandler as a comparison for McGee is a positive argument for keeping him?

Tyson had to be on a near perfectly assembled team, during a year in which the great veteran teams got too old and the young teams were still too young. Camby? He's never won a ring, and despite the fact that everyone talks so kindly about him he's never been a game changer and his stats are just okay.

Those are two guys who were traded multiple times.

But no use in arguing over this when it seems nothing is imminent.

I agree here. I would have taken any of those players on my team, but it isn't like those types of players are never available in FA. If I had a chance to use one to leverage a better young player in the draft, I would.

Am I the only one who immediately looked at the draft to see if any contender could add a piece to knock Miami out next year? I think "teams who could knock Miami out in 2012" needs its own thread.

Dat, Seraphin was a rookie with limited English and a pretty sweet baby hook. I don't think he has all world written all over him either but give him some credit.

I love that thread idea.

Sounds tome like Kanter's camp is worried that he might slip so he's going to workout for us. Wasn't it last week his agent said he won't last past 4?

I'm not sure that is true. If Kanter has Washington as his number one choice, why wouldn't he agree to work out. It's not like he is coming to DC. We're going to Chicago to work him out. It's also pretty obvious that the Wizards would at least consider a trade up.

Regarding giving up the 18th pick, how is that too high a price? Picks in that range are easy to come by. We might have to give up more than that to move up.

[NbdyBeatsTheWiz]

If the draft goes down and Williams, Irving, Kanter, Knight, and Walker are all taken before us, who do you take next?

JV seems the natural answer because of his talent level combined with his reportedly great work ethic, and he'd be my pick. But there's also the buyout situation and fact we've got McGee at center, arguably our 2nd best player behind Wall (granted on our squad that's not saying much).

Would you skip on him for Leonard (like the RealGM mock), Vesley (I think I know the answer to this one already...), or another option?

[Rafael122]

Man this draft looks nice 10 - 30

When you really think about it, the draft is not that bad when you go 10-35. It lacks the Alpha player that we've seen the last two drafts, Wall and Griffin, but teams picking between 10-35 are going to find solid, rotational players, probably some starters in there as well. I'm more interested in what we do at #18 and #34 than at #6.

[Ruzious]

Am I the only one who immediately looked at the draft to see if any contender could add a piece to knock Miami out next year? I think "teams who could knock Miami out in 2012" needs its own thread.

Dat, Seraphin was a rookie with limited English and a pretty sweet baby hook. I don't think he has all world written all over him either but give him some credit.

Looking back at the playoffs, was there any rookie that had an effect? Greivis Vasquez is the only one I can think of that even played.

[Hoopalotta]

If the draft goes down and Williams, Irving, Kanter, Knight, and Walker are all taken before us, who do you take next?

JV seems the natural answer because of his talent level combined with his reportedly great work ethic, and he'd be my pick. But there's also the buyout situation and fact we've got McGee at center, arguably our 2nd best player behind Wall (granted on our squad that's not saying much).

Would you skip on him for Leonard (like the RealGM mock), Vesley (I think I know the answer to this one already...), or another option?

I'd likely let out a hearty "Grass Mud Horse, Ernie Grunfeld!" if Jonas is sitting on the board at 6 and we take the other JV instead. Or Leonard for that matter.

How have we gotten this far with calling both these guys "JV", by the way? I guess it's contextual due to the near universal disdain embodied in any mutterings concerning Jan.