Draftees 2016 – Brown, Yabusele, Žižić, Jackson, Nader

[neno]

I know Juan Hernangomez went one pick before Yabu, but too bad he didn't slip to us. His energy and the flashes he shown this year with then Nuggets suggest that when all is said and done, there will be a big difference between the #15 vs. #16 pick in last year draft. Plus, he was willing to be stashed overseas: http://bsndenver.com/denver-nuggets-draft-pick-juan-hernangomez-open-to-being-stashed-in-europe-next-season/

He was our guy at 16 and the nuggets snatched him from us, needing a stash guy Ainge was forced to take yabusele there. Hope he works out but even our own GM wanted Hernangomez first

Apparently He had him higher on his stash list than Zizic so I figure it's more than convenience that he took him at 16 as it just as easily been Zizic at 16

[Homerclease]

I know Juan Hernangomez went one pick before Yabu, but too bad he didn't slip to us. His energy and the flashes he shown this year with then Nuggets suggest that when all is said and done, there will be a big difference between the #15 vs. #16 pick in last year draft. Plus, he was willing to be stashed overseas: http://bsndenver.com/denver-nuggets-draft-pick-juan-hernangomez-open-to-being-stashed-in-europe-next-season/

He was our guy at 16 and the nuggets snatched him from us, needing a stash guy Ainge was forced to take yabusele there. Hope he works out but even our own GM wanted Hernangomez first

Apparently He had him higher on his stash list than Zizic so I figure it's more than convenience that he took him at 16 as it just as easily been Zizic at 16

There were questions on whether Zizic was going to accept being stashed or not, that's why he was taken later so that if he did come over, it would've been at a lower cap number and a subsequent move to clear room for Durant would've been far easier.

Yabs was a panic pick, pure and simple

[neno]

He was our guy at 16 and the nuggets snatched him from us, needing a stash guy Ainge was forced to take yabusele there. Hope he works out but even our own GM wanted Hernangomez first

Apparently He had him higher on his stash list than Zizic so I figure it's more than convenience that he took him at 16 as it just as easily been Zizic at 16

There were questions on whether Zizic was going to accept being stashed or not, that's why he was taken later so that if he did come over, it would've been at a lower cap number and a subsequent move to clear room for Durant would've been far easier.

Yabs was a panic pick, pure and simple

Didn't hear that, so his he drafted at 16&23 and hoped they would stash? Sad, fail to believe on draft night of a deep draft he couldn't trade them for a future firsts

[Homerclease]

Apparently He had him higher on his stash list than Zizic so I figure it's more than convenience that he took him at 16 as it just as easily been Zizic at 16

There were questions on whether Zizic was going to accept being stashed or not, that's why he was taken later so that if he did come over, it would've been at a lower cap number and a subsequent move to clear room for Durant would've been far easier.

Yabs was a panic pick, pure and simple

Didn't hear that, so his he drafted at 16&23 and hoped they would stash? Sad, fail to believe on draft night of a deep draft he couldn't trade them for a future firsts

Exactly. They went flexibility over BPA and Austin Ainge even admitted it. The plan was Durant all the way and obviously you can't blame the GM for that, doesn't make Yabs a good pick though. Hernangomez was Ainges guy

[GonzoLays]

Gotta love Nader jacking up the most shots in limited mins at the dleague all star game.

Is it just me or does this guys game look freaking amazing. Outside shot, can take you to the hole left or right, great length, deceptive athleticism and good court vision. I'm freaking super high on this guy.

Shoot me but he could be better than Jae Crowder.

[jrob23]

I know Juan Hernangomez went one pick before Yabu, but too bad he didn't slip to us. His energy and the flashes he shown this year with then Nuggets suggest that when all is said and done, there will be a big difference between the #15 vs. #16 pick in last year draft. Plus, he was willing to be stashed overseas: http://bsndenver.com/denver-nuggets-draft-pick-juan-hernangomez-open-to-being-stashed-in-europe-next-season/

wait..so his one good game a couple of games ago has people wishing he would have fallen to us instead of Yabusele? lol. He's an undersized PF. At least Yabs has girth and potential for rebounding. By this time next year when Yabs is with us this post and opinion will be a bad memory. We lucked out with Yabs

[jrob23]

I know Juan Hernangomez went one pick before Yabu, but too bad he didn't slip to us. His energy and the flashes he shown this year with then Nuggets suggest that when all is said and done, there will be a big difference between the #15 vs. #16 pick in last year draft. Plus, he was willing to be stashed overseas: http://bsndenver.com/denver-nuggets-draft-pick-juan-hernangomez-open-to-being-stashed-in-europe-next-season/

He was our guy at 16 and the nuggets snatched him from us, needing a stash guy Ainge was forced to take yabusele there. Hope he works out but even our own GM wanted Hernangomez first

pure speculation imo. Pundits tweet out so many rumors and leaks from F.O. and most of it is misinformation. Yabusele wasn't a panic pick. They scouted dozens of guys and knew what they were doing. He wasn't "forced" to take him lmao. They chose him because they wanted a stash and they felt he wouldn't have fallen to them later...period. Maybe they would have chosen Hernangomez, we'll never know. But if that's true, than I need to take away the credit I've been giving Danny for finally having a half way decent draft because taking Yabs helped make the 1st round a success. Hernangomez would have been a bad choice.

[Homerclease]

I know Juan Hernangomez went one pick before Yabu, but too bad he didn't slip to us. His energy and the flashes he shown this year with then Nuggets suggest that when all is said and done, there will be a big difference between the #15 vs. #16 pick in last year draft. Plus, he was willing to be stashed overseas: http://bsndenver.com/denver-nuggets-draft-pick-juan-hernangomez-open-to-being-stashed-in-europe-next-season/

He was our guy at 16 and the nuggets snatched him from us, needing a stash guy Ainge was forced to take yabusele there. Hope he works out but even our own GM wanted Hernangomez first

pure speculation imo. Pundits tweet out so many rumors and leaks from F.O. and most of it is misinformation. Yabusele wasn't a panic pick. They scouted dozens of guys and knew what they were doing. He wasn't "forced" to take him lmao. They chose him because they wanted a stash and they felt he wouldn't have fallen to them later...period. Maybe they would have chosen Hernangomez, we'll never know. But if that's true, than I need to take away the credit I've been giving Danny for finally having a half way decent draft because taking Yabs helped make the 1st round a success. Hernangomez would have been a bad choice.

It was widely reported that we wanted both Brown and Hernangomez bfb had it weeks before the draft. Austin Ainge flat out admitted that they didn't draft BPA and instead opted for roster flexibility. It's written in black and white. They wanted Hernangomez and when he got selected they went for a guy that likely would've been there in the second round so they could keep their flexabilty for Durant available. Time will tell if it's a good or a bad pick, but he defiantly wasn't our first choice and definitely was a reach

[jrob23]

There were questions on whether Zizic was going to accept being stashed or not, that's why he was taken later so that if he did come over, it would've been at a lower cap number and a subsequent move to clear room for Durant would've been far easier.

Yabs was a panic pick, pure and simple

Didn't hear that, so his he drafted at 16&23 and hoped they would stash? Sad, fail to believe on draft night of a deep draft he couldn't trade them for a future firsts

Exactly. They went flexibility over BPA and Austin Ainge even admitted it. The plan was Durant all the way and obviously you can't blame the GM for that, doesn't make Yabs a good pick though. Hernangomez was Ainges guy

again, your opinion. Ainge did not say "we didn't take bpa" lmao. That's all on you and your desire to interpret what he said about keeping flexibility to go for the home run at the time to fit your agenda. They literally said they took Brown because he was in their eyes bpa. Being able to stash Yabusele and Zizic played a role but they were bpa. They could have easily taken a stash later, traded the picks for future 1s/players...but decided they wanted those two guys at those two draft spots. Nobody was forced into anything. You still mad they didn't trade up for Chriss?

[Parliament10]

Didn't hear that, so his he drafted at 16&23 and hoped they would stash? Sad, fail to believe on draft night of a deep draft he couldn't trade them for a future firsts

Exactly. They went flexibility over BPA and Austin Ainge even admitted it. The plan was Durant all the way and obviously you can't blame the GM for that, doesn't make Yabs a good pick though. Hernangomez was Ainges guy

again, your opinion. Ainge did not say "we didn't take bpa" lmao. That's all on you and your desire to interpret what he said about keeping flexibility to go for the home run at the time to fit your agenda. They literally said they took Brown because he was in their eyes bpa. Being able to stash Yabusele and Zizic played a role but they were bpa. They could have easily taken a stash later, traded the picks for future 1s/players...but decided they wanted those two guys at those two draft spots. Nobody was forced into anything. You still mad they didn't trade up for Chriss?

How do you know this?
Do you have any proof?

[Homerclease]

Didn't hear that, so his he drafted at 16&23 and hoped they would stash? Sad, fail to believe on draft night of a deep draft he couldn't trade them for a future firsts

Exactly. They went flexibility over BPA and Austin Ainge even admitted it. The plan was Durant all the way and obviously you can't blame the GM for that, doesn't make Yabs a good pick though. Hernangomez was Ainges guy

again, your opinion. Ainge did not say "we didn't take bpa" lmao. That's all on you and your desire to interpret what he said about keeping flexibility to go for the home run at the time to fit your agenda. They literally said they took Brown because he was in their eyes bpa. Being able to stash Yabusele and Zizic played a role but they were bpa. They could have easily taken a stash later, traded the picks for future 1s/players...but decided they wanted those two guys at those two draft spots. Nobody was forced into anything. You still mad they didn't trade up for Chriss?

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.masslive.com/v1/articles/18849166/danny_ainge_after_nba_draft_bo.amp

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=85623.0

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1471964#start_here

And yeah, I still would prefer Chriss

[bucknersrevenge]

He was our guy at 16 and the nuggets snatched him from us, needing a stash guy Ainge was forced to take yabusele there. Hope he works out but even our own GM wanted Hernangomez first

pure speculation imo. Pundits tweet out so many rumors and leaks from F.O. and most of it is misinformation. Yabusele wasn't a panic pick. They scouted dozens of guys and knew what they were doing. He wasn't "forced" to take him lmao. They chose him because they wanted a stash and they felt he wouldn't have fallen to them later...period. Maybe they would have chosen Hernangomez, we'll never know. But if that's true, than I need to take away the credit I've been giving Danny for finally having a half way decent draft because taking Yabs helped make the 1st round a success. Hernangomez would have been a bad choice.

It was widely reported that we wanted both Brown and Hernangomez bfb had it weeks before the draft. Austin Ainge flat out admitted that they didn't draft BPA and instead opted for roster flexibility. It's written in black and white. They wanted Hernangomez and when he got selected they went for a guy that likely would've been there in the second round so they could keep their flexabilty for Durant available. Time will tell if it's a good or a bad pick, but he defiantly wasn't our first choice and definitely was a reach

This is how I remember it as well. We just didn't have enough room to take all of the picks we have. And being able to stash first rounders and not have to pay those salaries right away was a major sticking point. Yabusele was not our first choice but they did NOT want to draft a kid at 16 that they were going to have to sign and play right away so they DID reach for Yabusele in hopes that they could convince him to be stashed for at least a year. He's a gamble for sure. But from the little I've seen so far, it could pay off.

[Elrod is Back]

He was our guy at 16 and the nuggets snatched him from us, needing a stash guy Ainge was forced to take yabusele there. Hope he works out but even our own GM wanted Hernangomez first

Apparently He had him higher on his stash list than Zizic so I figure it's more than convenience that he took him at 16 as it just as easily been Zizic at 16

There were questions on whether Zizic was going to accept being stashed or not, that's why he was taken later so that if he did come over, it would've been at a lower cap number and a subsequent move to clear room for Durant would've been far easier.

Yabs was a panic pick, pure and simple

You really think Danny Ainge runs such a half-assed operation that he was unprepared for Juancho to be taken before 16 and he had no plan if Juancho wasn't there, assuming your claim that Ainge was dead-set on Juancho is even correct? Here is a guy who had 8 draft picks and 3 first rounders and had spent the previous 24 months scouting for this draft arguably like no other GM in NBA history. If nothing else, he had every base covered. He didn't just close his eyes and pull a name out of the "euro" hat when he got to pick 16.

Danny may well have been attracted to Juancho--he is a great looking prospect-- but I find the notion that he panicked once Juancho was picked preposterous on its face barring actual legitimate hard evidence.

But, hey, this is the age of alternative facts.

[darrendaye]

Apparently He had him higher on his stash list than Zizic so I figure it's more than convenience that he took him at 16 as it just as easily been Zizic at 16

There were questions on whether Zizic was going to accept being stashed or not, that's why he was taken later so that if he did come over, it would've been at a lower cap number and a subsequent move to clear room for Durant would've been far easier.

Yabs was a panic pick, pure and simple

You really think Danny Ainge runs such a half-assed operation that he was unprepared for Juancho to be taken before 16 and he had no plan if Juancho wasn't there, assuming your claim that Ainge was dead-set on Juancho is even correct? Here is a guy who had 8 draft picks and 3 first rounders and had spent the previous 24 months scouting for this draft arguably like no other GM in NBA history. If nothing else, he had every base covered. He didn't just close his eyes and pull a name out of the "euro" hat when he got to pick 16.

Danny may well have been attracted to Juancho--he is a great looking prospect-- but I find the notion that he panicked once Juancho was picked preposterous on its face barring actual legitimate hard evidence.

But, hey, this is the age of alternative facts.

Definitely goes way too far. I think it MIGHT be analogous to his picking Rozier. I doubt we were looking at a situation where Ainge did not scout Yabusele, which this is suggestive was the case. What I believe is Ainge thought the guy was at least worth a late 1st round pick and grabbed him earlier due to circumstance.

[Homerclease]

Apparently He had him higher on his stash list than Zizic so I figure it's more than convenience that he took him at 16 as it just as easily been Zizic at 16

There were questions on whether Zizic was going to accept being stashed or not, that's why he was taken later so that if he did come over, it would've been at a lower cap number and a subsequent move to clear room for Durant would've been far easier.

Yabs was a panic pick, pure and simple

You really think Danny Ainge runs such a half-assed operation that he was unprepared for Juancho to be taken before 16 and he had no plan if Juancho wasn't there, assuming your claim that Ainge was dead-set on Juancho is even correct? Here is a guy who had 8 draft picks and 3 first rounders and had spent the previous 24 months scouting for this draft arguably like no other GM in NBA history. If nothing else, he had every base covered. He didn't just close his eyes and pull a name out of the "euro" hat when he got to pick 16.

Danny may well have been attracted to Juancho--he is a great looking prospect-- but I find the notion that he panicked once Juancho was picked preposterous on its face barring actual legitimate hard evidence.

But, hey, this is the age of alternative facts.

Id love to debate this with you but seeing as you resort to insults in your very first post, I'll pass.

[Elrod is Back]

He was our guy at 16 and the nuggets snatched him from us, needing a stash guy Ainge was forced to take yabusele there. Hope he works out but even our own GM wanted Hernangomez first

pure speculation imo. Pundits tweet out so many rumors and leaks from F.O. and most of it is misinformation. Yabusele wasn't a panic pick. They scouted dozens of guys and knew what they were doing. He wasn't "forced" to take him lmao. They chose him because they wanted a stash and they felt he wouldn't have fallen to them later...period. Maybe they would have chosen Hernangomez, we'll never know. But if that's true, than I need to take away the credit I've been giving Danny for finally having a half way decent draft because taking Yabs helped make the 1st round a success. Hernangomez would have been a bad choice.

It was widely reported that we wanted both Brown and Hernangomez bfb had it weeks before the draft. Austin Ainge flat out admitted that they didn't draft BPA and instead opted for roster flexibility. It's written in black and white. They wanted Hernangomez and when he got selected they went for a guy that likely would've been there in the second round so they could keep their flexabilty for Durant available. Time will tell if it's a good or a bad pick, but he defiantly wasn't our first choice and definitely was a reach

That is dumb. He was obviously our first choice or Danny would not have picked him. Now Danny may have wanted a stash, but he was still the first choice, His actions prove that.

Looking at who was picked in the next handful of picks, I would hardly say Yabs can be regarded as a reach. Henry Ellenson? Right now, I like Yabs chance of making it as a player in the NBA as well as most of the players taken right after him. He certainly does not stick out as a wild reach.

Recall the praise Yabs got in his June 2016 US tour. Scouts called him a Sullinger with quickness and athleticism. Chad Ford on draft day: "I actually really like this pick for the Celtics. Fran Fraschilla called Yabusele the French Larry Johnson, and I think that about sums it up. He is a beast in the paint but still pretty bouncy. He can even shoot the rock from 3. And he plays really hard. This will be a draft-and-stash pick for the Celtics. But in the long run? I think he'll be in the NBA for quite a few years."

A player who scouts profile like that is no reach at pick 16 in what is a horsesh*t draft. I don't see anything that jumps out as superior to Yabs that was taken...until, possibly, you get to Zizic at 23. I think even if he wasn't a stash he might have been the pick at 16. Wade Baldwin? Henry Ellenson? Please, roll the dice on Yabs upside.

[Homerclease]

pure speculation imo. Pundits tweet out so many rumors and leaks from F.O. and most of it is misinformation. Yabusele wasn't a panic pick. They scouted dozens of guys and knew what they were doing. He wasn't "forced" to take him lmao. They chose him because they wanted a stash and they felt he wouldn't have fallen to them later...period. Maybe they would have chosen Hernangomez, we'll never know. But if that's true, than I need to take away the credit I've been giving Danny for finally having a half way decent draft because taking Yabs helped make the 1st round a success. Hernangomez would have been a bad choice.

It was widely reported that we wanted both Brown and Hernangomez bfb had it weeks before the draft. Austin Ainge flat out admitted that they didn't draft BPA and instead opted for roster flexibility. It's written in black and white. They wanted Hernangomez and when he got selected they went for a guy that likely would've been there in the second round so they could keep their flexabilty for Durant available. Time will tell if it's a good or a bad pick, but he defiantly wasn't our first choice and definitely was a reach

That is dumb. He was obviously our first choice or Danny would not have picked him. Now Danny may have wanted a stash, but he was still the first choice, His actions prove that.

Looking at who was picked in the next handful of picks, I would hardly say Yabs can be regarded as a reach. Henry Ellenson? Right now, I like Yabs chance of making it as a player in the NBA as well as most of he players taken right after him. He certainly does not stick out as a wild reach.

Recall the praise Yabs got in his June 2016 US tour. Scouts called him a Sullinger with quickness and athleticism. Chad Ford on draft day: "I actually really like this pick for the Celtics. Fran Fraschilla called Yabusele the French Larry Johnson, and I think that about sums it up. He is a beast in the paint but still pretty bouncy. He can even shoot the rock from 3. And he plays really hard. This will be a draft-and-stash pick for the Celtics. But in the long run? I think he'll be in the NBA for quite a few years."

A player who scouts profile like that is no reach at pick 16 in what is a horsesh*t draft. I don't see anything that jumps out as superior to Yabs that was taken...until, possibly, you get to Zizic at 23. I think even if he wasn't a stash he might have been the pick at 16. Wade Baldwin? Henry Ellenson? Please, roll the dice on Yabs upside.

You clearly didn't read the thread on this very board or look at any of the links posted above. It's not dumb at all. Hernangomez was our first choice and they took yabusele because they needed a stash guy on short notice.

[Elrod is Back]

And it was "a panic pick, pure and simple"?

Right. Keep those links coming. Danny knew exactly what he was doing, and all signs right now make it look like a very well thought out pick based on quality scouting and knowing exactly what was available on the board at that time. If that pick is the result of "panic," I hope Danny gets a panic attack before every draft.

[Homerclease]

And it was "a panic pick, pure and simple"?

Right. Keep those links coming. Danny knew exactly what he was doing, and all signs right now make it look like a very well thought out pick based on quality scouting and knowing exactly what was available on the board at that time. If that pick is the result of "panic," I hope Danny gets a panic attack before every draft.

Or he just got lucky, or Yabs turns out to be a stiff.

[Cornbread]

I agree that calling it a panic pick is inaccurate and insinuates a lack of preparation that was extremely unlikely.

Not their first choice? Probably
Not who they were hoping for? Maybe
Plan B(or C or D)? Likely

But they were prepared and knew what they would do if the draft played out the way it did.