3rd time's a charm?: Cle vs Orl 10/29

Post #681 » by **FFBlitzace** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:27 am

I think Tobias is a fine player but I don't miss him. He wouldn't exactly be what the doctor ordered for our team right now. He'd be just another guy who isn't a great outside shooter. If he becomes a 40% 3pt shooter for an entire season, I might miss him a little bit.

ivDT · Post #682 » by **ivDT** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:27 am

ugh. smith probably airballs a couple of those 3s if he was playing against another team.

Magic_Johnny12 · Post #683 » by **Magic_Johnny12** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:27 am

For some odd reason I think we make a strong push for Hayward at the deadline

Dennis Reynolds · Post #684 » by **Dennis Reynolds** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:28 am

Optimus_Steel wrote:Evan had some defensive lapses but he made some big shots and led this anemic team in scoring. Too much criticism for him

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He made 1 big shot. It doesn't matter how much he scores, the guy is simply a net negative. He was passing better tonight though and he still had plenty of boneheaded, selfish plays.

MagicStarwipe · Post #685 » by **MagicStarwipe** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:29 am

Optimus_Steel wrote:Evan had some defensive lapses but he made some big shots and led this anemic team in scoring. Too much criticism for him

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His numbers look good and he made some big shots but he made so many terrible basketball plays all game long. That's not an unusual trend for him either

Truth24 · Post #686 » by **Truth24** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:29 am

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:For some odd reason I think we make a strong push for Hayward at the deadline

I don't think we have anything the Jazz would want for Hayward.

ORLMagicGirl15 · Post #687 » by **ORLMagicGirl15** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:29 am

magicfan217 wrote:
ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:
MagicStarwipe wrote:Hennigan is watching and evaluating too. Decent chance a big gets traded in the coming months.

If I remember correctly Ibaka and Biz cannot get traded until December, right? So if any of our bigs were to get traded right away, it would be Vuc.

Pretty sure we can move ibaka whenever. It's just guys who sign with new teams who can't be moved early.

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Gotcha. I didn't realize that trades worked that way.

Optimus_Steel · Post #688 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:30 am

Dennis Reynolds wrote:
Optimus_Steel wrote:Evan had some defensive lapses but he made some big shots and led this anemic team in scoring. Too much criticism for him

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He made 1 big shot. It doesn't matter how much he scores, the guy is simply a net negative. He was passing better tonight though and he still had plenty of boneheaded, selfish plays.

He needs to be selfish. This team is bad at scoring and he is our best perimeter scorer.

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JF5 · Post #689 » by **JF5** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:30 am

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:For some odd reason I think we make a strong push for Hayward at the deadline

Hawyward isn't going anywhere...

Gobert
Favors
Hayward
Hood
Hill

will be a championship caliber team in a season or two...

thelead · Post #690 » by **thelead** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:32 am

The key to this game by the box score is turnovers.... 21 vs 9. Nearly EVERY other team stat was a win for us. Crazy

Post #691 » by **SOUL** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:32 am

Optimus_Steel wrote:
Dennis Reynolds wrote:
Optimus_Steel wrote:Evan had some defensive lapses but he made some big shots and led this anemic team in scoring. Too much criticism for him

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He made 1 big shot. It doesn't matter how much he scores, the guy is simply a net negative. He was passing better tonight though and he still had plenty of boneheaded, selfish plays.

He needs to be selfish. This team is bad at scoring and he is our best perimeter scorer.

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This line of thinking needs to stop and is so faulty that I'm not going to address it fully, but no, you don't play like an asshat because you're the team's best scorer. You take smart and efficient shots. You play within the team. Anybody will live with him missing if he does that instead of not passing on fast breaks or looking off open players continuously.

Dennis Reynolds · Post #692 » by **Dennis Reynolds** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:33 am

Optimus_Steel wrote:
Dennis Reynolds wrote:
Optimus_Steel wrote:Evan had some defensive lapses but he made some big shots and led this anemic team in scoring. Too much criticism for him

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He made 1 big shot. It doesn't matter how much he scores, the guy is simply a net negative. He was passing better tonight though and he still had plenty of boneheaded, selfish plays.

He needs to be selfish. This team is bad at scoring and he is our best perimeter scorer.

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Is it possible people still don't realize what kind of player Fournier is? He can't make contested shots. It doesn't matter how bad of a shooter the open guy is. It's still a much better look that Fournier taking a contested shot. Not to mention it's a chemistry killer.

ivDT · Post #693 » by **ivDT** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:33 am

32 points in the paint for cleveland. that's better.
11 missed free throws in a game we lost by 6. that's not.

thelead · Post #694 » by **thelead** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:33 am

ivDT wrote:ugh. smith probably airballs a couple of those 3s if he was playing against another team.

he shot 40% from the 3 tonight. He is a career 38% 3pt shooter.

jezzer45 · Post #695 » by **jezzer45** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:34 am

Our core guys have known nothing but losing except ibaka. Biz had a taste last year but not enough. We need a legit go to guy right now but if we can live up to the potential on d we will be a team to watch out for.

Offense is a talent.
Defense is grit and grind hard work.

Optimus_Steel · Post #696 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:35 am

SOUL wrote:
Optimus_Steel wrote:
Dennis Reynolds wrote:
He made 1 big shot. It doesn't matter how much he scores, the guy is simply a net negative. He was passing better tonight though and he still had plenty of boneheaded, selfish plays.

He needs to be selfish. This team is bad at scoring and he is our best perimeter scorer.

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This line of thinking needs to stop and is so faulty that I'm not going to address it fully, but no, you don't play like an asshat because you're the team's best scorer. You take smart and efficient shots. You play within the team. Anybody will live with him missing if he does that instead of not passing on fast breaks or looking off open players continuously.

He is trying to be aggressive and make plays. We got so many pussies on this team I like that he is atleast trying to get something going.

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j-ragg · Post #697 » by **j-ragg** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:35 am

How many 3-on-1 fastbreaks does Fournier have to ruin before people realize the guy is a selfish dick head. Last year was the same thing but we assumed it was to get paid. He's talented but I'd rather have a less talented player that'll move the god damn ball if Evan won't do it.

rcklsscognition · Post #698 » by **rcklsscognition** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:37 am

I just don't think you can sit here and say this guy or that guy sucks. Take it in context. If you're thinking about our PG consider him on a team with Lebron. Would you still want our PG? Would you still want a Fournier if we had Lebron?

Just because those all stars aren't here doesn't mean its realistic to expect the non all stars do be amazing players. We don't have any big stars so holding them to that level of accountability is unrealistic.

That's why we got rid of so many in the past. They did great jobs for us but they weren't superstars. We are hoping for 2nd tier players and I think we've found some. We've moved some in hopes of landing a star.

OrlandoNed · Post #699 » by **OrlandoNed** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:37 am

JF5 wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:For some odd reason I think we make a strong push for Hayward at the deadline

Hawyward isn't going anywhere...

Gobert
Favors
Hayward
Hood
Hill

will be a championship caliber team in a season or two...

Don't hold your breath.

Post #700 » by **SOUL** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:39 am

Optimus_Steel wrote:He is trying to be aggressive and make plays. We got so many pussies on this team I like that he is atleast trying to get something going.

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To me, I want him to pick and choose where he is aggressive. I want him shooting every time he is open, and I want him to drive and create space because he's good at that.. but there's a lot that needs to be improved upon as a $85 million dollar man and the person we basically moved Oladipo for.

Will we lose by over 30pts?