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Knicks outgoing = Carmelo Anthony
Knicks incoming = Channing Frye : draft rights to Guerschon Yabusele :draft rights to Semi Ojeleye : 2018 LAL 1st rd pick 2-5 protected : LAC 2019 1st rd pick

Boston outgoing = Marcus Smart : draft rights to Guerschon Yabusele :draft rights to Semi Ojeleye : 2018 LAL 1st rd pick 2-5 protected : LAC 2019 1st rd pick
Boston incoming = Kevin Love

Cleveland outgoing = Kevin Love : Channing Frye
Cleveland incoming = Carmelo Anthony : Marcus Smart

The Knicks move Carmelo and get a stretch 4 to back up KP + picks + a french stash pick + Ojeleye (Duke recruit transferred to SMU)

Boston gets Kevin Love without breaking up their core of Avery Bradley : Jae Crowder : Al Hortford : Isiah Thomas

Cleveland gets Carmelo Anthony and Marcus Smart to back up Kyrie and play the Dellavedova role.

who says no? If Ainge balks at giving up picks you can counter with LAC 2019 pick + 2 second rounders instead of 2018 LAL 1st

Boston says no, but I'd dance in the streets if this went through. Possibly you get them on board with less coming to the Knicks in picks, but it would be an interesting negotiation. Cleveland and Boston are the clear top class of the East...how motivated will they really be to engage in a blockbuster trade with each other?

I think the idea someone proposed with Cleveland and Portland on the last page is interesting. I think there is a wildcard team in the the West, like Portland, who could help facilitate a trade with Cleveland. I have a hard time imagining a trade with CLE and BOS, but that would be fascinating if it happened.

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JM88 wrote:

thebuzzardman wrote:

JM88 wrote:
Then you either find a third team the Rockets can move Anderson to. You don't take on a terrible contract for 3 years, just because they have nothing else to offer. I might consider taking on Andersons contract for 2 first rounders, and that is without giving them Melo back. They better come up with a REALLY good package to offer alongside Anderson if he has to be in this deal.

That is not me expecting to get a lot for Melo. I know the situation. But that is me wanting something for him - not taking back a HUGE "minus asset".

What team would want to take on Anderson? The Knicks would have to move picks just to get rid of him. It's either Anderson, eat the contract and get picks or...I don't see the framework of a deal with Houston.

Unless they have enough random crap to collect around Gordon, and really, what's the point for the Knicks? To get lesser Jamal Crawford at 28 years old when the Knicks aren't competing for anything for 3 years?

I guess Gordon + scraps + a pick could work.

I have no idea how to move Anderson. But that's the point. I'd rather do no trade, than to trade for a player/contract that is going to be 20 million almost wasted money for the next three years. That just locks us on bad money for even more time. Gordon is at least on a very movable contract. It's gonna be tough to find the remaining assets to make a deal work salary wise, but the Rockets needs to figure that out.

It really comes down to, IF Houston puts 2 #1's in there, is one extra year of cap pain worth it (as Melo would be here 2 more years anyway) vs a more "cap clearing" deal, say if Cleveland offered that Shump/Frye/Turkish kid/random junk/pick? deal.

That might be the way for the Knicks to go.

K P 6 wrote:So since we're not talking Anderson. I want to see what you guys come up with. The answer is nothing.

This is going to be terrible negotiations without a third team.

Here's the trade boys:

Anderson
Ariza
Capela
Kelly
Long
Onuaku
Qaurterman
Taylor

For

Melo
Noah

This works under the cap. We do a wink-wink deal where we agree to buyout Ariza's 1 year deal. He'll go back to Houston. We get 23 year old Capela to add to out team full of centers and look for a destination for Anderson. In the meantime, we look for destinations for Anderson, Lee and OQuinn.

drekwins wrote:

K P 6 wrote:So since we're not talking Anderson. I want to see what you guys come up with. The answer is nothing.

This is going to be terrible negotiations without a third team.

Here's the trade boys:

Anderson
Ariza
Capela
Kelly
Long
Onuaku
Qaurterman
Taylor

For

Melo
Noah

This works under the cap. We do a wink-wink deal where we agree to buyout Ariza's 1 year deal. He'll go back to Houston. We get 23 year old Capela to add to out team full of centers and look for a destination for Anderson. In the meantime, we look for destinations for Anderson, Lee and OQuinn.

that doesn't work under the CBA...you can't trade a guy and then sign him back within the calendar year I believe. It prevents shady sh*t like this happening.

mpharris36 wrote:

drekwins wrote:

K P 6 wrote:So since we're not talking Anderson. I want to see what you guys come up with. The answer is nothing.

This is going to be terrible negotiations without a third team.

Here's the trade boys:

Anderson
Ariza
Capela
Kelly
Long
Onuaku
Qaurterman
Taylor

For

Melo
Noah

This works under the cap. We do a wink-wink deal where we agree to buyout Ariza's 1 year deal. He'll go back to Houston. We get 23 year old Capela to add to out team full of centers and look for a destination for Anderson. In the meantime, we look for destinations for Anderson, Lee and OQuinn.

that doesn't work under the CBA...you can't trade a guy and then sign him back within the calendar year I believe. It prevents shady sh*t like this happening.

Used to happen all the time. I thought the new rule was that it was just a 1 month hiatus.

thebuzzardman wrote:
It really comes down to, IF Houston puts 2 #1's in there, is one extra year of cap pain worth it (as Melo would be here 2 more years anyway) vs a more "cap clearing" deal, say if Cleveland offered that Shump/Frye/Turkish kid/random junk/pick? deal.

That might be the way for the Knicks to go.

pretty much how I broke it down in my post a page or two ago. If its just Ryan Anderson and a pick. The knicks would just be better suited to take Shumpert/Frye/osman/junk and a future pick and get the cap savings.

If HOU gives us a second asset or can move Anderson for a more desirable piece (which I doubt). Then HOU takes back the lead IMO.

Wanting to trade Melo then trying to dump Noah with him is the exact way to not trade Melo.

Any deal with Houston needs to include the rights of Alessandro Gentile.

drekwins wrote:
Used to happen all the time. I thought the new rule was that it was just a 1 month hiatus.

nope that was David Stern rule. Silver changed to rule that you couldn't return to the team until a year later.

I really want to know what MDA thinks about the rumors of Houston acquiring Melo. Like didn't he just blame Melo for his coaching struggles here and his resignation?

Unless all that stuff was BS (which I don't think it was as there was way too much smoke not to be fire around) would Morey really put his COTY in the situation of dealing with a guy that he did not get along with before?

Rotten Apple wrote:Wanting to trade Melo then trying to dump Noah with him is the exact way to not trade Melo.

Actually, if that happened, it would be awesome. Zero assets for Melo but getting rid of No-ah would be out-f*ckigng-standing.

Cap room, team would be horrible, high picks and more cap space. This would be a dream scenario.

Hell, the Knicks are already setting the stage for redshirting Frank N with the "knee problem" Philly style.

MOAR WINGSPAN PLEASE. Fucck everything else. Mills pulls that off. Build him a statue. That is all.

thebuzzardman wrote:

JM88 wrote:

thebuzzardman wrote:
What team would want to take on Anderson? The Knicks would have to move picks just to get rid of him. It's either Anderson, eat the contract and get picks or...I don't see the framework of a deal with Houston.

Unless they have enough random crap to collect around Gordon, and really, what's the point for the Knicks? To get lesser Jamal Crawford at 28 years old when the Knicks aren't competing for anything for 3 years?

I guess Gordon + scraps + a pick could work.

I have no idea how to move Anderson. But that's the point. I'd rather do no trade, than to trade for a player/contract that is going to be 20 million almost wasted money for the next three years. That just locks us on bad money for even more time. Gordon is at least on a very movable contract. It's gonna be tough to find the remaining assets to make a deal work salary wise, but the Rockets needs to figure that out.

It really comes down to, IF Houston puts 2 #1's in there, is one extra year of cap pain worth it (as Melo would be here 2 more years anyway) vs a more "cap clearing" deal, say if Cleveland offered that Shump/Frye/Turkish kid/random junk/pick? deal.

That might be the way for the Knicks to go.

With the exception of the NTC, Melo's contract is really not that bad. Now, do i want to move him? Yes, because he doesn't fit our timeline and one more year of tanking seems like a good idea. But i think it matters to the development of young players to actually win once in a while, and getting some playoffs experience. For that reason, i don't think it is very beneficial to decide for at least a 3 year complete tanking. Getting Anderson would mean that we have two contracts for a combined 38 million for the next three years. Oh, and they are totally unmovable contracts. That's a terrible situation, rebuild or not, and we get into that while trading a player that, despite all the drama, should still be a good asset. Two future, likely late, first rounders aren't enough. Now if they take on Noah's contract, and throw in Eric Gordon, i might be more inclined to at least consider it.

I do believe that a Shump/Frye and some scrub, plus 1 1st rounder, is a fair deal, and much more desirable than Anderson and two firsts.

SMFMB is obviously MOBB connected. This man has been through it!!!!

IllmaticHandler wrote:MOAR WINGSPAN PLEASE. Fucck everything else. Mills pulls that off. Build him a statue. That is all.

Do you think they'd actually move Capela though? MAYBE if we attach KOQ to the deal, but Capela does SO much for Rockets. Rim protector, moves the floor excellently, and a top PnR finisher in the NBA.

There is no way Houston is including Capella as the centerpiece of a Me7o deal.

swisscheeseD wrote:There is no way Houston is including Capella as the centerpiece of a Me7o deal.

I happen to agree. If they left him off the CP3 package. I have to assume he is a no go for a Melo package. We need to be realistic.

K P 6 wrote:





SMFMB is obviously MOBB connected. This man has been through it!!!!

The man has experience with the good, the bad, and the ugly. He's a Princeton kid too so he's no dummy so it sort of wouldn't surprise me if he actually learned from what he's been through.