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Post#681 » by LogitechBucks » Thu Nov 9, 2017 8:32 am

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MickeyDavis wrote:It's one thing to debate whether to move on or sign him to a mega deal given his ACL injuries. There are cases to be made for both sides. But to argue that a p.r. letter factored into a playoff series loss...
If you over simplify the entire saga down to a simple p.r. letter then yes there would be little chance it had any impact. Having said that, I remember how this thing was everywhere. It even made it into my Facebook newsreel. It was talked about more than the actual amazing play the team demonstrated through the first three games.

This wasn't the first incident where Jabari went to the media and caused a distraction in the Bucks locker room. On January 23rd, of 2017 Jabari was benched by his teammates, yes his teammates and not Jason Kidd. This was in response for Jabari sharing with Media information that took place in the Bucks locker room. Apparently Jabari was able to affect the team in that instance, so maybe dejavu took place after the players heard about this letter while they were in a huge playoff series.




The other factor that your overlooking is that players like to be asked about their successes and how they did this or that. The day this came out, the first question each player had to answer was about Jabari. If I had just played a great game less than 24 hours ago and no one was asking me how I did it, but instead were focusing on some gushy story, it would be distracting or deflating to me as well. The fact is, the game after this came out, the Bucks looked flat, unmotivated and out of sync. It was if some great force sucked the energy right out of them. I am sure they might have been a little emotionally sprung from the previous three games but this story and the way it unfolded had to be somewhat of a distraction. It is not that big a leap to say it had some kind of negative impact on the team even if only in a minor way.


A: It wasn't nearly as big of a story as your making it out to be. You continue to say "the first question they were asked was assbout Jabari after a big win" and quite honestly that wasn't the case. In fact I can't remember a single player ever responding to in the media. Did it come up once or twice? Probably. But it's not like they were digging for quotes from Jabari teammates. In fact if you'd be so kind would you please actually post some of the responses the players had if there were so many?

B: sorry but a sports story popping up on FB regarding a sport you follow on a team you most likely "liked" isn't actually indicative of a story being a big deal. If that's the case holy cow when the Packers cut or sign a 3rd string lineman it must be a huge story because it pops up on FB at least 6 different times.

C: If you wanna hold serve on this argument I sure hope your holding the same stance against Giannis as a person as the moment he started farming national attention, giving interviews and having articles written about him the Bucks have had a lot of trouble winning. Perhaps his teammates are distracted by being asked about Giannis and how great he is after the team started off hot. They must have had the wind sucked out of them by the media giving all the credit for the wins to Giannis (see how that sounds?)

D: If this was a distraction for any player, (it wasn't), then please trade them now. If a guy gets distracted by being asked a question over something as ordain as this then they'll fold the moment anything relevant comes up.


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The media was falling over themselves talking about Jabari's letter. That is a fact period. This message board went absolutely bonkers with this letter. So it was there and I believe it was a distraction that was completely unnecessary. If he wanted to say those things to the players, go visit them at practice or in the locker room. This was done by his agent to try to help corner the Bucks into a max deal, plain and simple.

You mention Giannis and all of his new media attention. First of all Giannis is a team player and secondly he earned this attention because of his continued improvement through hard work. He didn't throw himself into to the media by feeling sorry for himself. This isn't even a comparison.

I read the letter, watched the news stories and then watched the Bucks lay an egg in game four and play with no emotion, no hustle, and out of sync and I was pissed. Maybe it had no effect at all. However, the way it played out makes anyone who wants to be reasonable wonder. If three or four Bucks players came out and said they were bothered by Jabari's actions you would just say they are jealous of Jabari or something like that so there is no point in debating this with those who think Jabari walks on water.
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Re: RE: Re: The Jabari Discussion Thread - Rehab, Game, Contract - NO DEAL, GOES TO RFA 

Post#682 » by trwi7 » Thu Nov 9, 2017 9:07 am

LogitechBucks wrote:The media was falling over themselves talking about Jabari's letter. That is a fact period.


Yeah, you're going to provide some evidence for this because I really don't remember the media falling over themselves for this, at all. Especially the local media. In fact, I'd be surprised if Gardner was even aware of it. Maybe the national media picked up on it but they weren't around here asking about it or wanting to get players on their show to talk about it.

LogitechBucks wrote:This message board went absolutely bonkers with this letter.


This message board barely managed to get to page 7 in the first day it was posted here. The last post came 12 days after it was posted and the topic finished with 228 total replies

On top of that, nearly 10% of the posts in that thread came from one poster who wants and has wanted Parker traded for years. So take that 10%, imagine how many additional posts are arguments for and against trading Parker and tell me again how this forum went absolutely bonkers about this. Even if we take out coolhandluke121's posts, that would mean there are a little over 200 posts. On the same page that that thread was currently found we have a 205 post thread about Bill Simmons talking Giannis and CP3 joining the Bucks, something that was completely unrealistic. We have a 150 post thread on the lottery, something that had absolutely nothing to do with our team. We had a 135 post thread on Mike Wickett leaving WSSP for Kansas City.

There is nothing that suggests that this board was going bonkers over that Jabari thing.

So it was there and I believe it was a distraction that was completely unnecessary. If he wanted to say those things to the players, go visit them at practice or in the locker room. This was done by his agent to try to help corner the Bucks into a max deal, plain and simple.


This conspiracy theory blows anything that pp25 has posted out of the water.

So you want him to tell the guys in the locker room that he loves them and loves Milwaukee to only them?

I read the letter, watched the news stories and then watched the Bucks lay an egg in game four and play with no emotion, no hustle, and out of sync and I was pissed. Maybe it had no effect at all. However, the way it played out makes anyone who wants to be reasonable wonder. If three or four Bucks players came out and said they were bothered by Jabari's actions you would just say they are jealous of Jabari or something like that so there is no point in debating this with those who think Jabari walks on water.


I remember our offense going cold, as it has a tendency to do. I remember DeRozan hitting some ridiculously stupid shots (stupid as in these are God awful shots and we'll let him take these whenever he wants.) I remember the Bucks having a lead halfway through the 3rd quarter.

It's like you don't remember that we were basically a .500 team prone to long offensive droughts along with a stupid defensive system. We lost because Toronto was better than us at every phase of the game. I mean, it's nice that the Bucks forgot about Jabari's letter with 5 minutes left in the 3rd quarter of game 6. It's just a shame that they remembered it in the last 3 minutes of the 4th quarter.
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Post#683 » by M-C-G » Thu Nov 9, 2017 9:22 am

So did Jabari's agent also do his Player Tribunes piece about Chicago a year before as a contingency option in case his future Milwaukee Player Tribunes piece wouldn't get him the max deal he was looking for? Or his Stand Up to discrimination and racism piece he did on Player Tribune?

If so this agent is worth EVERY PENNY.
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Post#685 » by buckboy » Thu Nov 9, 2017 9:29 am

Obvious troll is obvious.
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Post#686 » by M-C-G » Thu Nov 9, 2017 9:45 am

buckboy wrote:Obvious troll is obvious.



I feel like you are right, but those paragraphs are so damn longggggggggggggggggggggggggggg...That's too much dedication
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Post#687 » by hege53190 » Thu Nov 9, 2017 10:30 am

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Why write the letter at that particular time? I just don't get it. It was just a pathetic attempt to stay relevant. They were coming off the best basketball game of the year. There was absolutely no reason for the public encouragement. Whatever I call it a d-bag move.


That's a fair thing to say. Not one i'd agree with, but at least logical to use that as a sign he's full of himself a bit. But it's not logical to say that had any effect on the games themselves.


A show of solidarity and confidence about his teammates and our franchise. Only on realgm could this be considered a selfish d bag move. Christ guys, that opinion says way more about you than Jabari.


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After the biggest Bucks win in 15 years. They absolutely didn't need any solidarity or confidence. They were flying super high. Why be reminded that their franchise player of 3 years ago blew out his knee and season if not career might be over.

And all these people that think I just hate Jabari are dead wrong. I usually am defending the guy. But that particular letter to the national media at that particular time was just an unneeded advertising stunt to try to get max money. Which he demanded last summer. Anybody that doesn't see that needs to take the blinders off and realize that the NBA is much more business to players and agents than family or whatever guise you are dumb enough to actually think that these guys care about your feelings.

D-Bag move made up by Parker's image team/agent to stay relevant.
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Post#688 » by Fresh_Prince12 » Thu Nov 9, 2017 10:50 am

This thread lol. I’m waiting to see how they connect the letter to 9/11
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Post#689 » by M-C-G » Thu Nov 9, 2017 11:28 am

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That's a fair thing to say. Not one i'd agree with, but at least logical to use that as a sign he's full of himself a bit. But it's not logical to say that had any effect on the games themselves.


A show of solidarity and confidence about his teammates and our franchise. Only on realgm could this be considered a selfish d bag move. Christ guys, that opinion says way more about you than Jabari.


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After the biggest Bucks win in 15 years. They absolutely didn't need any solidarity or confidence. They were flying super high. Why be reminded that their franchise player of 3 years ago blew out his knee and season if not career might be over.

And all these people that think I just hate Jabari are dead wrong. I usually am defending the guy. But that particular letter to the national media at that particular time was just an unneeded advertising stunt to try to get max money. Which he demanded last summer. Anybody that doesn't see that needs to take the blinders off and realize that the NBA is much more business to players and agents than family or whatever guise you are dumb enough to actually think that these guys care about your feelings.

D-Bag move made up by Parker's image team/agent to stay relevant.



Like I said, so his agent staged his Chicago Player's Tribune, his stand up to discrimination and all the inner city efforts he does too, just so he can stay in the spotlight, what an agent.

Like I said before, this particular take says more about you guys than it does Jabari.
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Post#690 » by midranger » Thu Nov 9, 2017 11:41 am

I'm usually pretty cynical but I'm having a tough time finding all the nefarious elements about a rah rah letter. Seems like he was supporting his squad in the only way he could.
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Post#691 » by Finn » Thu Nov 9, 2017 11:46 am

LogitechBucks wrote:... force ... ownership into risking the teams ability to remain competitive and vie for a Championship by giving him a 5 year 20 million + contract (a.k.a. a big ass contract) not knowing whether or not he would ever be an effective basketball player again...

Sounds like virtually every NBA/NFL/MLB/NHL player that's ever played.
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Post#692 » by hege53190 » Thu Nov 9, 2017 11:56 am

This board is sometimes really tough to take.

I may have to go full coolhandluke. I actually like the guy. But the board believing it wasn't mostly a PR stunt to promote himself after the biggest win for the franchise in over a decade in which he had nothing to do with is a kin to believing Thon is 20.

That is the definition of a d-bag move. The part I really can't believe is our savy mods have fallen for it.
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Post#693 » by hege53190 » Thu Nov 9, 2017 12:02 pm

midranger wrote:I'm usually pretty cynical but I'm having a tough time finding all the nefarious elements about a rah rah letter. Seems like he was supporting his squad in the only way he could.


What is the point of a rah rah letter when you just won by 40 over a team that was supposed to easily beat you and were a **** hair away from having a 3-0 lead? I don't know how this team could have been feeling any better after that win.
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Post#694 » by midranger » Thu Nov 9, 2017 12:12 pm

Why did it need to have a point? I bet if you look at posts on this board after that game, you'll see a lot of rah rah stuff too. Including me. I'm not sure any of that had a point. We were excited for our team and wanted to throw that positivity out into the universe. Jabari is actually a part or the team, and actually knows these guys. I'll just assume he was even more excited that us.
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Post#695 » by yannisk » Thu Nov 9, 2017 12:17 pm

Nobody is giving anything for Jabari at the moment, so there is no value of trading him. Personally I would offer him a very team friendly contract if he returns healthy, if he does not accept it, let him go. If he accepts it, I will play him for a couple of months in the 2018-season and trade him then.

The Bucks are a coach and a couple of ok guys away of competing, why to risk everything on Jabari's knee.
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Post#696 » by Ill-yasova » Thu Nov 9, 2017 12:55 pm

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MickeyDavis wrote:It's one thing to debate whether to move on or sign him to a mega deal given his ACL injuries. There are cases to be made for both sides. But to argue that a p.r. letter factored into a playoff series loss...
If you over simplify the entire saga down to a simple p.r. letter then yes there would be little chance it had any impact. Having said that, I remember how this thing was everywhere. It even made it into my Facebook newsreel. It was talked about more than the actual amazing play the team demonstrated through the first three games.

This wasn't the first incident where Jabari went to the media and caused a distraction in the Bucks locker room. On January 23rd, of 2017 Jabari was benched by his teammates, yes his teammates and not Jason Kidd. This was in response for Jabari sharing with Media information that took place in the Bucks locker room. Apparently Jabari was able to affect the team in that instance, so maybe dejavu took place after the players heard about this letter while they were in a huge playoff series.




The other factor that your overlooking is that players like to be asked about their successes and how they did this or that. The day this came out, the first question each player had to answer was about Jabari. If I had just played a great game less than 24 hours ago and no one was asking me how I did it, but instead were focusing on some gushy story, it would be distracting or deflating to me as well. The fact is, the game after this came out, the Bucks looked flat, unmotivated and out of sync. It was if some great force sucked the energy right out of them. I am sure they might have been a little emotionally sprung from the previous three games but this story and the way it unfolded had to be somewhat of a distraction. It is not that big a leap to say it had some kind of negative impact on the team even if only in a minor way.

So, getting benched for a game is an indication of a player with bad character? This guy even googled his coach afterwards to check his credentials!
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Post#697 » by Aaron It Out » Thu Nov 9, 2017 12:56 pm

LogitechBucks take on Jabari is about as good as Logitech computer equipment (it sucks).

Toronto made an adjustment to their starting lineup and game plan to counter, while Kidd did nothing. It paid off for Toronto. I honestly can't believe all the stupid **** I just read.

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Post#698 » by JEIS » Thu Nov 9, 2017 1:39 pm

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That's a fair thing to say. Not one i'd agree with, but at least logical to use that as a sign he's full of himself a bit. But it's not logical to say that had any effect on the games themselves.


A show of solidarity and confidence about his teammates and our franchise. Only on realgm could this be considered a selfish d bag move. Christ guys, that opinion says way more about you than Jabari.


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After the biggest Bucks win in 15 years. They absolutely didn't need any solidarity or confidence. They were flying super high. Why be reminded that their franchise player of 3 years ago blew out his knee and season if not career might be over.

And all these people that think I just hate Jabari are dead wrong. I usually am defending the guy. But that particular letter to the national media at that particular time was just an unneeded advertising stunt to try to get max money. Which he demanded last summer. Anybody that doesn't see that needs to take the blinders off and realize that the NBA is much more business to players and agents than family or whatever guise you are dumb enough to actually think that these guys care about your feelings.

D-Bag move made up by Parker's image team/agent to stay relevant.


I don't know man. Jabari seems like a good hearted sentimental dude. Maybe, He felt like crap for letting his teammates down and wanted to support them in a way that he could, since he couldn't do it on the court. He was a big part of the team.. scoring about 20 a game. Was the one two punch with Giannis... That would be my hypothesis.
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Post#699 » by TroyD92 » Thu Nov 9, 2017 2:20 pm

CHL and Logitechbucks posting styles are too similar and their weird obsession with Jabari. It has to be him. Logitech is like CHL trying really hard to reach for criticism of Jabari, but saving face by posting it under a different account.
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Post#700 » by mlloyd10 » Thu Nov 9, 2017 2:24 pm

Rather sign a healthy Aaron Gordon than Parker.

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