BaF Season 4- Opening Night 12/1- (Announcement page 57)

[mpharris36]

did you read that long proposal that another GM sent bish , what if you were to take some parts of that and apply it? Like at the end of day 1 bidding if the team with bird rights has the highest offer they automatically re-sign their player. Incentivize teams with bird rights to come out with a strong offer to their bird right player and lock them up and move on to securing other players rather than being dragged out in a bidding war (aka what we saw with booker this year)

I don't like anything with tiers in it. So I didn't like the proposal. All the FA should be out at once...we tried the tiers on the original draft and it was silly IMO.

And the bird rights thing is just odd. Whats stopping a team with bird rights waiting all day not bidding once to keep there player as low as possible then sending a bid in last second to have the highest bid for the day and they win because they are a bird rights team?

Nah bird right teams should still have the same time delay to sign someone as anyone else. They get the benefit of the 5th year..there shouldn't be any more than that.

thats a 2 way street though, it forces opposing teams to also submit legit offers just so it is a tough decision for the bird right team

your basically saying to a non bird right team you may never know where the bidding will go but the fear of the bird rights team swooping in last minute for a steal that you won't have time to match you to potentially overpay your own offer just to make sure you get him.

Not into that...too much bird rights power to change bidding timing.

Bidding timing should be equal for every single player if we are in that time slot. If its a 6 hour time slot every new bid should get 6 hours ect...

[bringbackhoffa]

I like the idea of a spread sheet with a range given on what the high offer is so teams could just look at that rather than asking bish what the high bid is.

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Our initial draft had this aspect. Each player looked like this:

LeBron James has been offered a contract. It will now take a: $400/5, $440/4 or $480/3 contract to beat his current offer.

The reason we can't do this now is because each team has different numbers for what is needed to beat the current leading bid. So, not sure of how I could keep a spread sheet updated for 29 teams on 100+ players.

What about something like lebron would take $480-$525 for 4 years.

At least it gives teams an idea if they should bother sending in a bid.

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[Capn'O]

So, not sure of how I could keep a spread sheet updated for 29 teams on 100+ players.

I think it's possible to automate it. I.e. you'd put in a bid and a scale on one spreadsheet and another spreadsheet would update for all teams. A few of us can look into it. I have some excel wizardry skills which are transferable to Google docs.

[Capn'O]

So, not sure of how I could keep a spread sheet updated for 29 teams on 100+ players.

I think it's possible to automate it. I.e. you'd put in a bid and a scale on one spreadsheet and another spreadsheet would update for all teams. A few of us can look into it. I have some excel wizardry skills which are transferable to Google docs.

[mpharris36]

So, not sure of how I could keep a spread sheet updated for 29 teams on 100+ players.

I think it's possible to automate it. I.e. you'd put in a bid and a scale on one spreadsheet and another spreadsheet would update for all teams. A few of us can look into it. I have some excel wizardry skills which are transferable to Google docs.

same for me as well.

Once we figured out the scale for a specific team and then also new the scale of how much an extra year is for a team. It shouldn't be hard to automate a bid for each team so they knew at least what it would cost to make there own bid whether that be 1-5 years.

[bishnykfan]

As far as inquiries go...there are only 4-5 teams that send requests for inquiries on players and what their cost would be. Sometimes those PM's may have as many as 7 or 8 different players on them which can be time consuming, but overall the amount of just plain inquiries on players salaries is not a lot. We can definitely outlaw them if people agree but then I just assume teams will make lowball offers that I will have to respond to anyway. Lol

[3toheadmelo]

I rather just keep the bids private including the $$$.

[bringbackhoffa]

So, not sure of how I could keep a spread sheet updated for 29 teams on 100+ players.

I think it's possible to automate it. I.e. you'd put in a bid and a scale on one spreadsheet and another spreadsheet would update for all teams. A few of us can look into it. I have some excel wizardry skills which are transferable to Google docs.

same for me as well.

Once we figured out the scale for a specific team and then also new the scale of how much an extra year is for a team. It shouldn't be hard to automate a bid for each team so they knew at least what it would cost to make there own bid whether that be 1-5 years.

i still think it should be anonymous on who has the high bid, so a range maybe better than an exact number

[Deeeez Knicks]

I didnt even know you could send in inquiries. Those people should be shamed for wasting bish's time

[bringbackhoffa]

I didnt even know you could send in inquiries. Those people should be shamed for wasting bish's time

early on i made a $25/1 offer to Horford to see how much he was going for and was shocked when i got a PM saying i had the highest bid lol

[mpharris36]

As far as inquiries go...there are only 4-5 teams that send requests for inquiries on players and what their cost would be. Sometimes those PM's may have as many as 7 or 8 different players on them which can be time consuming, but overall the amount of just plain inquiries on players salaries is not a lot. We can definitely outlaw them if people agree but then I just assume teams will make lowball offers that I will have to respond to anyway. Lol

my only take on this is all our FA offseason have had a limited about of teams with cap space.

Technically the 2022 class almost all 30 teams could in theory sign anyone if they really wanted to because that will be the first offseason the entire league will be able to go after or try to retain there bid dogs.

For example I probably plan to keep tabs on every single big time FA. I assume nearly everyone will feel the same way.

Before there were only really 3 teams needing to keep tabs on Booker for example this FA. In thoery my guess is 25+ GM's will want to know what Giannis or Tatum for example and where there bidding is at.

[mpharris36]

I think it's possible to automate it. I.e. you'd put in a bid and a scale on one spreadsheet and another spreadsheet would update for all teams. A few of us can look into it. I have some excel wizardry skills which are transferable to Google docs.

same for me as well.

Once we figured out the scale for a specific team and then also new the scale of how much an extra year is for a team. It shouldn't be hard to automate a bid for each team so they knew at least what it would cost to make there own bid whether that be 1-5 years.

i still think it should be anonymous on who has the high bid, so a range maybe better than an exact number

but range means you still could send an invalid bid. We are trying to eliminate work for bish not have him sift through valid bids.

[bringbackhoffa]

As far as inquiries go...there are only 4-5 teams that send requests for inquiries on players and what their cost would be. Sometimes those PM's may have as many as 7 or 8 different players on them which can be time consuming, but overall the amount of just plain inquiries on players salaries is not a lot. We can definitely outlaw them if people agree but then I just assume teams will make lowball offers that I will have to respond to anyway. Lol

my only take on this is all our FA offseason have had a limited about of teams with cap space.

Technically the 2022 class almost all 30 teams could in theory sign anyone if they really wanted to because that will be the first offseason the entire league will be able to go after or try to retain there bid dogs.

For example I probably plan to keep tabs on every single big time FA. I assume nearly everyone will feel the same way.

Before there were only really 3 teams needing to keep tabs on Booker for example this FA. In thoery my guess is 25+ GM's will want to know what Giannis or Tatum for example and where there bidding is at.

thats why i think a range being made public without mentioning teams would help make things go more smoothly

[bishnykfan]

So, not sure of how I could keep a spread sheet updated for 29 teams on 100+ players.

I think it's possible to automate it. I.e. you'd put in a bid and a scale on one spreadsheet and another spreadsheet would update for all teams. A few of us can look into it. I have some excel wizardry skills which are transferable to Google docs.

same for me as well.

Once we figured out the scale for a specific team and then also new the scale of how much an extra year is for a team. It shouldn't be hard to automate a bid for each team so they knew at least what it would cost to make there own bid whether that be 1-5 years.

I'll leave that to you guys...I am not overly computer savvy. I have some excel experience but not enough to know how this would work. If you have a solution which can make the bid needed public and team specific, while making sure that a team's bid doesn't violate the cap, then I'd be all for it!

[bringbackhoffa]

same for me as well.

Once we figured out the scale for a specific team and then also new the scale of how much an extra year is for a team. It shouldn't be hard to automate a bid for each team so they knew at least what it would cost to make there own bid whether that be 1-5 years.

i still think it should be anonymous on who has the high bid, so a range maybe better than an exact number

but range means you still could send an invalid bid. We are trying to eliminate work for bish not have him sift through valid bids.

but Bish would be posting the range on what the high offer would need to be (teams would have to estimate where they land in that range or just beat the range outright)

that way i wouldnt submit a $425/4 offer to lebron if i already knew the high bid range is $450-500/4

[3toheadmelo]

As far as inquiries go...there are only 4-5 teams that send requests for inquiries on players and what their cost would be. Sometimes those PM's may have as many as 7 or 8 different players on them which can be time consuming, but overall the amount of just plain inquiries on players salaries is not a lot. We can definitely outlaw them if people agree but then I just assume teams will make lowball offers that I will have to respond to anyway. Lol

my only take on this is all our FA offseason have had a limited about of teams with cap space.

Technically the 2022 class almost all 30 teams could in theory sign anyone if they really wanted to because that will be the first offseason the entire league will be able to go after or try to retain there bid dogs.

For example I probably plan to keep tabs on every single big time FA. I assume nearly everyone will feel the same way.

Before there were only really 3 teams needing to keep tabs on Booker for example this FA. In thoery my guess is 25+ GM's will want to know what Giannis or Tatum for example and where there bidding is at.

thats why i think a range being made public without mentioning teams would help make things go more smoothly

Having a range to the public would just increase bids in bad faith

[mpharris36]

I think it's possible to automate it. I.e. you'd put in a bid and a scale on one spreadsheet and another spreadsheet would update for all teams. A few of us can look into it. I have some excel wizardry skills which are transferable to Google docs.

same for me as well.

Once we figured out the scale for a specific team and then also new the scale of how much an extra year is for a team. It shouldn't be hard to automate a bid for each team so they knew at least what it would cost to make there own bid whether that be 1-5 years.

I'll leave that to you guys...I am not overly computer savvy. I have some excel experience but not enough to know how this would work. If you have a solution which can make the bid needed public and team specific, while making sure that a team's bid doesn't violate the cap, then I'd be all for it!

ok let me take a crack at something using this offseason FA tiers and then we can always gig the numbers by what you say you want years or tiers to be.

I think most want to keep the bidding private with $$$ private. My only concern with that continues to be you Bish. I think people are really underestimating the time (even with freeze periods) it will take with 30 teams with well over $500 to spend an basically all the 5-star guys in play...going to be a sh*t show

[Capn'O]

I'm for breaks or generally anything that makes this less formidable for Bish.

same for me as well.

Once we figured out the scale for a specific team and then also new the scale of how much an extra year is for a team. It shouldn't be hard to automate a bid for each team so they knew at least what it would cost to make there own bid whether that be 1-5 years.

i still think it should be anonymous on who has the high bid, so a range maybe better than an exact number

but range means you still could send an invalid bid. We are trying to eliminate work for bish not have him sift through valid bids.

I think it should be possible to create a private sheet (A) and a public sheet (B) where Bish's inputs on sheet A update sheet B so you know what ALL the high bids are without knowing the team.

Research pending, of course. We've got some time on this one though.

[mpharris36]

I'm for breaks or generally anything that makes this less formidable for Bish.

i still think it should be anonymous on who has the high bid, so a range maybe better than an exact number

but range means you still could send an invalid bid. We are trying to eliminate work for bish not have him sift through valid bids.

I think it should be possible to create a private sheet (A) and a public sheet (B) where Bish's inputs on sheet A update sheet B so you know what ALL the high bids are without knowing the team.

Research pending, of course. We've got some time on this one though.

agreed and we also have a test FA period in 2021 (since there aren't that many good FA's) before the 2022 which is really what we want to have ironed out for.

[bringbackhoffa]

my only take on this is all our FA offseason have had a limited about of teams with cap space.

Technically the 2022 class almost all 30 teams could in theory sign anyone if they really wanted to because that will be the first offseason the entire league will be able to go after or try to retain there bid dogs.

For example I probably plan to keep tabs on every single big time FA. I assume nearly everyone will feel the same way.

Before there were only really 3 teams needing to keep tabs on Booker for example this FA. In thoery my guess is 25+ GM's will want to know what Giannis or Tatum for example and where there bidding is at.

thats why i think a range being made public without mentioning teams would help make things go more smoothly

Having a range to the public would just increase bids in bad faith

how so? teams already do this privately getting an idea on what the high bid is