Trade Deadline Discussion & Rumours - Raptors and NBA

[ForeverTFC]

I kind of soured on Turner when he complained about his role. Injury prone? Got to think he's going to Hornets

Anyone in Turner's shoes would complain about his role. He's being diminished and they're not winning.

[WuTang_CMB]

We'll see come Thursday. I just don't see them giving it up and more (2-3 picks) for a 6/7 rotation piece and cap implications down the line. Take the young player at 20th and run.

Remember, 6th is essentially a starter. The Raptors don't have a 6. They have a lot of 7s-15s. The other picks don't matter, there's not that many spots left in the rotation to fill. If 6 is a guy that carries starter minutes like Harrison Barnes, you need even less from the rest.

Not that I want Barnes, but him plus year 3 Precious plus Birch is about all the rotation that Nick will permit anyway. And then you let Banton, Champagnie and minimums scrap for the rest.

But we arent going to trade a first and second for Jak/Turner. I agree we need another solid 6 and 7 rotation guys, we dont have those yet. The price of two picks at this stage of timeline and this year is shortsighted to me. If the team falls in the first round which is a major possibility, and has zero picks this year (we already dont have our 2nd), that's an underwhelming start to the off-season when this management team uses the draft to continue to grow and create assets.

[Madhouse]

It's always great when players like Turner come up in discussions you really get to see who actually watches other teams aswell and who just watches the Raptors

Yeah, a lot of casuals here dismissing his game when his role has been relegated to spot up shooting in Indy. If these people did a bit of research and see how he’s performed without Sabonis in the line up, they’ll see his impact on both ends.

agreed. Turner is the real deal.

[mtcan]

We'll see come Thursday. I just don't see them giving it up and more (2-3 picks) for a 6/7 rotation piece and cap implications down the line. Take the young player at 20th and run.

Send a message to the players that you want to win and believe in them. You trust them to develop and dont need any picks. Bring in Jak.

We are not giving away 2 picks for Jak/Turner.

Play it smart and stay patient. We can easily slip to play in spot and lose in first round or stay where we are and still lose in 1st round.

Remember what happened last season when the Bulls gave up Wendell Carter Jr. and 2 first round picks at the deadline when they were fighting to make the play-in?

They missed the playoffs and Orlando got a top 10 pick that got them Franz Wagner. I can't believe the Bulls didn't put even lottery protection on that pick.

We are in 6th...but could easily be 10th in a month or so.

[DreamTeam09]

Jakob I'm not a fan of.

Bamba is kind of bad defensively, but he'll protect the Rim and hit 3s

Turner would probably be a game changer even if he's 6th man, will he buy into being 6th man tho?

We need a guard more than anything.

[StopitLeo]

You may have looked at Serge as the final piece but I did not. He was a positional upgrade that made us more competitive for the ECF, but even then we got swept by the Cavs.

Trading a mid-to-late first to improve the roster adds depth since the pick is there instead of player assets.

I think we are much further along than early rebuild because of the large improvement shown by FVV, GTJ, and OG this year plus the addition of Barnes who is better offensively than most predicted. I think that when healthy this is a 50 win team who can challenge for the ECF but would be limited by holes up front and on the bench. Filling those holes with a low first round pick makes sense if possible. Drafting and signing free agents to fill the holes is not easy.

Agree on where we were when we got Serge.

But even if we're a 50 win team with say a free bench player (let's assume we could get Fournier and his **** deal for Dragic straight up the second we offer it), that's still probably not a real contender and if we are a 50 win team and feel good about re-upping our 3 free agents (OG, Fred, Trent) don't we project as a 55-60 win team in 2 years (with a decent bench) when Scottie is in year 3 but Fred and Siakam have yet to start their declines (assuming good health?).

I feel like that's when you move a first. IF we move a first this deadline I think it will be for someone we think will be on the team on a decent contract for the next couple years, or can be extended fairly easily, like Derrick White. We're not gonna burn a first for a move that doesn't definitely help us in the 2023 and 2024 playoffs, I don't think.

You make good points. I think any future team projections come down to Scottie’s development. I see him being an All-Star caliber player so we will need to boost depth and talent sooner rather than later in expectation of deeper playoff pushes in the coming years with this core.

We should keep in mind that we can always look to acquire a FRP by trade if we sputter. Also, any FRP we might trade doesn’t need to be the 2022 pick. We could potentially trade the 2023 with lighter protections in anticipation of being better in the coming years.

[LoveMyRaps]

We need to prioritize acquiring a hype man, our bench is so dull. Zero energy.

[ash_k]

Jakob I'm not a fan of.

Bamba is kind of bad defensively, but he'll protect the Rim and hit 3s

Turner would probably be a game changer even if he's 6th man, will he buy into being 6th man tho?

We need a guard more than anything.

A guard to do what? play 10 minutes as a backup to FVV? that's all the room we could have left for that guard (disregarding the impact on Banton's 10 minutes)

[ATLTimekeeper]

But we arent going to trade a first and second for Jak/Turner. I agree we need another solid 6 and 7 rotation guys, we dont have those yet. The price of two picks at this stage of timeline and this year is shortsighted to me. If the team falls in the first round which is a major possibility, and has zero picks this year (we already dont have our 2nd), that's an underwhelming start to the off-season when this management team uses the draft to continue to grow and create assets.

1) Second round picks are just face-savers for GMs who fail to negotiate 1sts. There's not much value there. The Raptors have had more undrafted hits (Fred/TD) than second round hits (Norm). We now have guys that prefer to sign here when undrafted. Trade all the seconds, forever.

2) If it's the right player, then they shouldn't hesitate. We're not one player away, but we're also not one late round pick blowing up away. We have the most exciting rookie in the league, starting. This is all free money.

[dukes_wild]

But we arent going to trade a first and second for Jak/Turner. I agree we need another solid 6 and 7 rotation guys, we dont have those yet. The price of two picks at this stage of timeline and this year is shortsighted to me. If the team falls in the first round which is a major possibility, and has zero picks this year (we already dont have our 2nd), that's an underwhelming start to the off-season when this management team uses the draft to continue to grow and create assets.

1) Second round picks are just face-savers for GMs who fail to negotiate 1sts. There's not much value there. The Raptors have had more undrafted hits (Fred/TD) than second round hits (Norm). We now have guys that prefer to sign here when undrafted. Trade all the seconds, forever.

2) If it's the right player, then they shouldn't hesitate. We're not one player away, but we're also not one late round pick blowing up away. We have the most exciting rookie in the league, starting. This is all free money.

This is a very poor argument. Unless you're absolutely sure your 2nd round picks will be in the 50s or later, you shouldn't give them up for no reason.

The sheer chance alone that a 2nd round pick ends up being a super early 2nd rounder is value in itself. Just look at this last draft. Herb Jones at 35, Ayo Dosunmu at 38, guys that are already able to play at a replacement level starter. There are way more examples of these than undrafted hits like FVV

[VanWest82]

Jakob I'm not a fan of.

Bamba is kind of bad defensively, but he'll protect the Rim and hit 3s

Turner would probably be a game changer even if he's 6th man, will he buy into being 6th man tho?

We need a guard more than anything.

If we trade for Turner then he's starting. Barnes will move to the bench.

[OakleyDokely]

Jakob I'm not a fan of.

Bamba is kind of bad defensively, but he'll protect the Rim and hit 3s

Turner would probably be a game changer even if he's 6th man, will he buy into being 6th man tho?

We need a guard more than anything.

If we trade for Turner then he's starting. Barnes will move to the bench.

Another reason not to trade for Turner

[VanWest82]

Jakob I'm not a fan of.

Bamba is kind of bad defensively, but he'll protect the Rim and hit 3s

Turner would probably be a game changer even if he's 6th man, will he buy into being 6th man tho?

We need a guard more than anything.

If we trade for Turner then he's starting. Barnes will move to the bench.

Another reason not to trade for Turner

Why? Raps might win more and Barnes might develop faster getting to play on ball more.

[Wannabe MEP]

I bet Raptors and Pacers are playing chicken over a Turner deal. Raptors offered Dragic + FRP. Pacers want more. The clock is ticking.

[TorontoRapsFan]

I think some of you are obsessed with the idea that the Raptors need a C to replace someone on the starting lineup. The way Raptors play switch and double and sometimes swarm D they don't need an anchor type of C that you all seem to want. Yeah they give up some things, but what they have let's them do the things they do well. And no body is accusing the Raptors of being a team with serious weaknesses on D. And they don't exactly let big bodies like Embiid go off for 50 points either. So why the constant need for a C? With Birch healthy Raps have 3 forwards coming off the bench. So what if they're not 7 feet 260lbs.

What they need is another player that can handle a specific role off the bench without making mistakes. Whether that's a pesky defender (no not a C defender) or ball handler/passer or scorer. Preferably a player who can do more than one of these well enough for 15 minutes.

[ash_k]

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[Los_29]

Jakob I'm not a fan of.

Bamba is kind of bad defensively, but he'll protect the Rim and hit 3s

Turner would probably be a game changer even if he's 6th man, will he buy into being 6th man tho?

We need a guard more than anything.

A guard to do what? play 10 minutes as a backup to FVV? that's all the room we could have left for that guard (disregarding the impact on Banton's 10 minutes)

There is room for 20-25 minutes a night. He doesn't just have to handle the point.

[ash_k]

Jakob I'm not a fan of.

Bamba is kind of bad defensively, but he'll protect the Rim and hit 3s

Turner would probably be a game changer even if he's 6th man, will he buy into being 6th man tho?

We need a guard more than anything.

If we trade for Turner then he's starting. Barnes will move to the bench.

Not necessarily, GTj could be the guy depending on the matchups. Nurse has that record (see Marc vs Serge(vs Jonas) until he settled on Marc
One of the pros of getting Turner is to fit between Barnes and Siakam

[Los_29]

I bet Raptors and Pacers are playing chicken over a Turner deal. Raptors offered Dragic + FRP. Pacers want more. The clock is ticking.

I have a feeling they aren't after Turner. But I certainly could be wrong.

[ash_k]

Jakob I'm not a fan of.

Bamba is kind of bad defensively, but he'll protect the Rim and hit 3s

Turner would probably be a game changer even if he's 6th man, will he buy into being 6th man tho?

We need a guard more than anything.

A guard to do what? play 10 minutes as a backup to FVV? that's all the room we could have left for that guard (disregarding the impact on Banton's 10 minutes)

There is room for 20-25 minutes a night. He doesn't just have to handle the point.

We want to be big
Siakam-OG-Barnes-Precious-Boucher |Barnes-GTj-OG-Boucher-Birch|etc.....there are no 20-25 minutes available.