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Post#681 » by therealbig3 » Mon Jan 20, 2025 8:58 pm

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therealbig3 wrote:It's not about winning or losing, Joe Burrow has played really well as an individual in the playoffs. Lamar just had his best playoff game by far...in which he had two costly turnovers. There are levels to this, and Burrow has clearly been on a different one come playoff time.



Lamar's best playoff game was a week ago, against Pittsburgh.


When he threw for a grand total of 175 yards, against a severely overmatched team? Not that impressed.

Again, if these are the kinds of signature playoff performances for Lamar that we have, then it's really not much is it?

I have to bring it back to Jalen Hurts. He played better in that SB two years ago than Lamar has ever played in the playoffs. Numbers wise, I don't think you'll find a big difference between the two in their playoff performances. And we all acknowledge that Lamar is a better player than Hurts. He's got 2 MVPs, maybe a 3rd, to 0 for Hurts. And yet, there's WAY more criticism of Hurts than there is of Lamar. Why the higher standards for someone we all acknowledge isn't even as good?

Lamar has been a Jalen Hurts level player come playoff time, except without the team success and without the signature performances, like Hurts in the SB. If that's the expectation of him, cool. I figured the expectations are more than that.
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Post#682 » by Micah Prescott » Mon Jan 20, 2025 9:07 pm

I'm taking Lamar over anyone not named Mahomes, and TBH even that one is close because Lamar has been MUCH better than Mahomes this season. Lamar has been the best QB in the league this season, and he should win MVP yet again.

Mahomes has an elite defense that always keeps the games within reach. And if they win it all again this season it will be because of that.

The Chiefs beat the Texans 23-14. Mahomes had 177 yards and just 1 TD pass.


Lamar is a very underrated QB IMO, fans should not allow wins and losses to dictate a QBs actual skill. Great QBs lose all the time, and crappy QBs win all the time. Wins and losses are not just which team has the best QB.
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Post#683 » by Micah Prescott » Mon Jan 20, 2025 9:16 pm

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Post#684 » by WentzerWuver » Mon Jan 20, 2025 9:22 pm

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therealbig3 wrote:It's not about winning or losing, Joe Burrow has played really well as an individual in the playoffs. Lamar just had his best playoff game by far...in which he had two costly turnovers. There are levels to this, and Burrow has clearly been on a different one come playoff time.



Lamar's best playoff game was a week ago, against Pittsburgh. Or maybe last year against Houston.
If Lamar played like this against Pittsburgh last week, Steelers would have won that game! Now I lost money picking with and against the Ravens. Steelers D is still better when healthy but Russ is past his prime and needs to go.
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Post#685 » by Dr Positivity » Mon Jan 20, 2025 10:17 pm

This was more like a Manning loss for Jackson, he was "fine", but just not Mahomes level. Having a few drives in first half where it felt like they would get touchdown and ended up with field goal ended up costing them, along with the turnovers obviously though one of his ints was like a punt. The Bills secondary is past its peak in the Allen era in my opinion so I think there was a few more big plays available than they got.
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Post#686 » by wco81 » Mon Jan 20, 2025 10:25 pm

Micah Prescott wrote:Mahomes has an elite defense that always keeps the games within reach. And if they win it all again this season it will be because of that.



And the NFL allowing him to flop and get cheap personal fouls to extend key drives, which is even more crucial since they typically only win by 1 or 2 scores.
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Post#687 » by wco81 » Mon Jan 20, 2025 10:29 pm

Dr Positivity wrote:This was more like a Manning loss for Jackson, he was "fine", but just not Mahomes level. Having a few drives in first half where it felt like they would get touchdown and ended up with field goal ended up costing them, along with the turnovers obviously though one of his ints was like a punt. The Bills secondary is past its peak in the Allen era in my opinion so I think there was a few more big plays available than they got.



I think the Ravens tried more to run Henry, since the Bills relies on essentially playing nickel as much as possible.

Chiefs will definitely try to pound them too, as they did last year.

So the game plan and weather, as well as Flowers' injury probably made them more conservative, not have Lamar drop back as much, especially after the early turnovers.

Under different conditions, they'd have tried to play more like they did during the regular season.

They opened things up for the last drive when they needed to score.
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Post#688 » by JujitsuFlip » Mon Jan 20, 2025 10:38 pm

Micah Prescott wrote:I'm taking Lamar over anyone not named Mahomes, and TBH even that one is close because Lamar has been MUCH better than Mahomes this season. Lamar has been the best QB in the league this season, and he should win MVP yet again.

Mahomes has an elite defense that always keeps the games within reach. And if they win it all again this season it will be because of that.

The Chiefs beat the Texans 23-14. Mahomes had 177 yards and just 1 TD pass.


Lamar is a very underrated QB IMO, fans should not allow wins and losses to dictate a QBs actual skill. Great QBs lose all the time, and crappy QBs win all the time. Wins and losses are not just which team has the best QB.
Is this satire? Lamar is awful in the playoffs. Great regular season player though.

2018 wildcard loss 14 of 29, 2 TD 1 INT, 3 FUM (1 lost).

2019 division loss 31 of 59, 1 TD 2 INT, 1 FUM (1 lost).

2020 wildcard win 17 of 24, 0 TD 1 INT, 1 rush TD 0 FUM

2020 division loss 14 of 24, 0 TD 1 INT, 1 FUM (0 lost)

2022 wildcard loss - DNP

2023 division win 16 of 22, 2 TD 0 INT, 2 rush TD 0 FUM

2023 AFCC loss 20 of 37, 1 TD 1 INT, 1 FUM (1 lost)

2024 wildcard win 16 of 21, 2 TD 0 INT, 0 FUM

2024 division loss 18 of 25, 2 TD 1 INT, 1 FUM (1 lost)

There are a lot of QBs I'd take over Lamar, in the playoffs. He does not take care of the football.
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Post#689 » by Micah Prescott » Mon Jan 20, 2025 11:10 pm

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Micah Prescott wrote:I'm taking Lamar over anyone not named Mahomes, and TBH even that one is close because Lamar has been MUCH better than Mahomes this season. Lamar has been the best QB in the league this season, and he should win MVP yet again.

Mahomes has an elite defense that always keeps the games within reach. And if they win it all again this season it will be because of that.

The Chiefs beat the Texans 23-14. Mahomes had 177 yards and just 1 TD pass.


Lamar is a very underrated QB IMO, fans should not allow wins and losses to dictate a QBs actual skill. Great QBs lose all the time, and crappy QBs win all the time. Wins and losses are not just which team has the best QB.

There are a lot of QBs I'd take over Lamar, in the playoffs. He does not take care of the football.

"A lot"?

Is that satire?

List them out then. Mahomes and who else? Allen chokes every season, Burrow zero rings, Daniels the rookie? Hurts just sucks. I mean where are all these elite playoff QBs who do better than Jackson?
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Post#690 » by Worm Guts » Mon Jan 20, 2025 11:14 pm

Micah Prescott wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:
Micah Prescott wrote:I'm taking Lamar over anyone not named Mahomes, and TBH even that one is close because Lamar has been MUCH better than Mahomes this season. Lamar has been the best QB in the league this season, and he should win MVP yet again.

Mahomes has an elite defense that always keeps the games within reach. And if they win it all again this season it will be because of that.

The Chiefs beat the Texans 23-14. Mahomes had 177 yards and just 1 TD pass.


Lamar is a very underrated QB IMO, fans should not allow wins and losses to dictate a QBs actual skill. Great QBs lose all the time, and crappy QBs win all the time. Wins and losses are not just which team has the best QB.

There are a lot of QBs I'd take over Lamar, in the playoffs. He does not take care of the football.

"A lot"?

Is that satire?

List them out then. Mahomes and who else? Allen chokes every season, Burrow zero rings, Daniels the rookie? Hurts just sucks. I mean where are all these elite playoff QBs who do better than Jackson?


Allen has been better than Jackson in the playoffs if that’s what you want to go by. For all this choking talk, his TD -Int ratio in the playoffs is 23-4. He just can’t beat Mahomes.
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Post#691 » by Micah Prescott » Mon Jan 20, 2025 11:16 pm

Worm Guts wrote:
Micah Prescott wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:There are a lot of QBs I'd take over Lamar, in the playoffs. He does not take care of the football.

"A lot"?

Is that satire?

List them out then. Mahomes and who else? Allen chokes every season, Burrow zero rings, Daniels the rookie? Hurts just sucks. I mean where are all these elite playoff QBs who do better than Jackson?


Allen has been better than Jackson in the playoffs if that’s what you want to go by. For all this choking talk, his TD -Int ratio in the playoffs is 23-4. He just can’t beat Mahomes.

Mahomes and Allen still don't qualify as "a lot"
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Re: Divisional Round Thread 

Post#692 » by Worm Guts » Mon Jan 20, 2025 11:33 pm

Micah Prescott wrote:
Worm Guts wrote:
Micah Prescott wrote:"A lot"?

Is that satire?

List them out then. Mahomes and who else? Allen chokes every season, Burrow zero rings, Daniels the rookie? Hurts just sucks. I mean where are all these elite playoff QBs who do better than Jackson?


Allen has been better than Jackson in the playoffs if that’s what you want to go by. For all this choking talk, his TD -Int ratio in the playoffs is 23-4. He just can’t beat Mahomes.

Mahomes and Allen still don't qualify as "a lot"


I agree with your overall point that some here seem to be over invested in Jackson being terrible in the playoffs.
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Post#693 » by azcatz11 » Mon Jan 20, 2025 11:59 pm

Micah Prescott wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:
Micah Prescott wrote:I'm taking Lamar over anyone not named Mahomes, and TBH even that one is close because Lamar has been MUCH better than Mahomes this season. Lamar has been the best QB in the league this season, and he should win MVP yet again.

Mahomes has an elite defense that always keeps the games within reach. And if they win it all again this season it will be because of that.

The Chiefs beat the Texans 23-14. Mahomes had 177 yards and just 1 TD pass.


Lamar is a very underrated QB IMO, fans should not allow wins and losses to dictate a QBs actual skill. Great QBs lose all the time, and crappy QBs win all the time. Wins and losses are not just which team has the best QB.

There are a lot of QBs I'd take over Lamar, in the playoffs. He does not take care of the football.

"A lot"?

Is that satire?

List them out then. Mahomes and who else? Allen chokes every season, Burrow zero rings, Daniels the rookie? Hurts just sucks. I mean where are all these elite playoff QBs who do better than Jackson?


Hurts doesn't suck. He's a glorified game manager but he doesn't suck. They don't let him cook either...
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Re: Divisional Round Thread 

Post#694 » by Cactus Jack » Tue Jan 21, 2025 12:08 am

azcatz11 wrote:
Micah Prescott wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:There are a lot of QBs I'd take over Lamar, in the playoffs. He does not take care of the football.

"A lot"?

Is that satire?

List them out then. Mahomes and who else? Allen chokes every season, Burrow zero rings, Daniels the rookie? Hurts just sucks. I mean where are all these elite playoff QBs who do better than Jackson?


Hurts doesn't suck. He's a glorified game manager but he doesn't suck. They don't let him cook either...

They didn't want Russ to cook either.

Now we know why. :wink:
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Post#695 » by therealbig3 » Tue Jan 21, 2025 12:31 am

Mahomes, Allen, and Burrow are better than Jackson imo.
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Post#696 » by WentzerWuver » Tue Jan 21, 2025 12:55 am

azcatz11 wrote:
Micah Prescott wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:There are a lot of QBs I'd take over Lamar, in the playoffs. He does not take care of the football.

"A lot"?

Is that satire?

List them out then. Mahomes and who else? Allen chokes every season, Burrow zero rings, Daniels the rookie? Hurts just sucks. I mean where are all these elite playoff QBs who do better than Jackson?


Hurts doesn't suck. He's a glorified game manager but he doesn't suck. They don't let him cook either...
Haters gonna hate like always. The Eagles are almost a lock to win next week to reach the SB. The pressure should get to Daniels against the league' best defense in Philly. Skip is right on his prediction.

https://youtube.com/shorts/6H7QlJPMOxw?si=KbaMgEdkkNTxeIut
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Post#697 » by therealbig3 » Tue Jan 21, 2025 5:06 am

"Hurts sucks, Lamar is amazing and the best or 2nd best QB in the league"

Lamar in the playoffs: 3-5 record, 61% completion, 13 total TDs (10 passing, 3 rushing), 11 total turnovers (7 int, 4 fumbles), 1753 passing yards (219/game), 641 rushing yards (80/game)

Hurts in the playoffs: 4-3 record, 65% completion, 13 total TDs (7 passing, 6 rushing), 5 total turnovers (2 int, 3 fumbles), 1346 passing yards (192/game), 293 rushing yards (42/game)

Hurts doesn't generate as many yards, but he's more accurate, accounting for as many TDs, and takes better care of the football.

Calling Lamar the 2nd best QB in the league and not caring about his clear dropoff in the playoffs is such a Cowboys fan thing to do. Like I said, he's Jalen Hurts-level come playoff time. That's very good, because Jalen Hurts is very good. But it's not great.
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Post#698 » by QB_Eagles » Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:11 am

WentzerWuver wrote:
azcatz11 wrote:
Micah Prescott wrote:"A lot"?

Is that satire?

List them out then. Mahomes and who else? Allen chokes every season, Burrow zero rings, Daniels the rookie? Hurts just sucks. I mean where are all these elite playoff QBs who do better than Jackson?


Hurts doesn't suck. He's a glorified game manager but he doesn't suck. They don't let him cook either...
Haters gonna hate like always. The Eagles are almost a lock to win next week to reach the SB. The pressure should get to Daniels against the league' best defense in Philly. Skip is right on his prediction.

https://youtube.com/shorts/6H7QlJPMOxw?si=KbaMgEdkkNTxeIut

Terrible jinx capped off by a Skip Bayless video. :sour:
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Re: Divisional Round Thread 

Post#699 » by Cactus Jack » Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:14 am

QB_Eagles wrote:
WentzerWuver wrote:
azcatz11 wrote:
Hurts doesn't suck. He's a glorified game manager but he doesn't suck. They don't let him cook either...
Haters gonna hate like always. The Eagles are almost a lock to win next week to reach the SB. The pressure should get to Daniels against the league' best defense in Philly. Skip is right on his prediction.

https://youtube.com/shorts/6H7QlJPMOxw?si=KbaMgEdkkNTxeIut

Terrible jinx capped off by a Skip Bayless video. :sour:

Kiss of death :lol:

I might have to change my pick this week because of Skip, lol.
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Post#700 » by QB_Eagles » Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:36 am

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QB_Eagles wrote:
WentzerWuver wrote:Haters gonna hate like always. The Eagles are almost a lock to win next week to reach the SB. The pressure should get to Daniels against the league' best defense in Philly. Skip is right on his prediction.

https://youtube.com/shorts/6H7QlJPMOxw?si=KbaMgEdkkNTxeIut

Terrible jinx capped off by a Skip Bayless video. :sour:

Kiss of death :lol:

I might have to change my pick this week because of Skip, lol.

To be fair, that video is months old.

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