Rumors, Random Thoughts, and non-Threadworthy Posts 18.0 Dave Cowens drove a taxi

[djFan71]

In a potential KD trade to Houston, who would be the 3rd team to take J. Green? I know some of my fellow Mavs fans don't want anything to do with him, personally I'd take a chance, he has indescribable talent. Would Klay/Gafford be a fair package? Maybe Marin/Gafford/Hardy? I would especially like it because it would mean the Mavs are committed to youth and surrounding Flagg. Any other teams taking a chance on Green? Jazz maybe? Hornets? (Bridges/Green?)

I'm kinda with you. But, people are really down on his value, so I think either of those DAL packages are plenty around here - not sure about in HOU front office. If I was BKN, I'd take him for 27 or something. If nothing else, he's an exciting player. If he continues growing, he could be a really, really good player.

[babyjax13]

In a potential KD trade to Houston, who would be the 3rd team to take J. Green? I know some of my fellow Mavs fans don't want anything to do with him, personally I'd take a chance, he has indescribable talent. Would Klay/Gafford be a fair package? Maybe Marin/Gafford/Hardy? I would especially like it because it would mean the Mavs are committed to youth and surrounding Flagg. Any other teams taking a chance on Green? Jazz maybe? Hornets? (Bridges/Green?)

I would take him. Collins for Green.

[Devilanche]

Reaves for Gafford+ Lakers 29

Is this fair? Or should Knecht/Milton be added for Martin?

Doesn't matter what is fair. Niko can't make this deal because every question would be why didn't you get Reaves in the Luka deal. And he couldn't handle the questions. It's just a total non-starter.

I understand (and agree) but there are also strong rumors that they could trade for Gafford again. I think Nico doesn't care what the fans think. I personally would love Reaves on the Mavs.

It has to be a clear overpay for Nico to risk any trade with lakers . And at the clear overpay range, might as well trade for Kessler.

[toooskies]

3-team deal with Lillard is the easiest. Just need to find a team who would send equivalently bad salary with Lillard.

Chicago is interesting.

Lillard to Chicago
Williams/Vucevic/Filler to Denver
MPJ/Filler to Milwaukee

I like pairing Lillard with another player with an injured Achilles just so they get that double-bounce after tanking a year. Lillard to NOP for McCollum/Olynyk as a really basic move. A bigger deal might be:

Lillard/Connaughton/Da'Ron Holmes to Pelicans
MPJ/McCollum to Bucks
Zion to Nuggets

Pelicans plan the tank-then-bounce-back with Lillard/Murray while getting out of the Zion business.
Bucks turn one injured probably-overpaid player into smaller obligations which give them a Last Dance with Giannis (who asks out next year).
Nuggets take a big swing on a volatile asset.

I don't understand why Denver would take such a risk, it seems almost irresponsible. They have the best player in the league, plus the fit between Zion and Joker is questionable... MPJ fits perfectly and the starting five is elite, the problem is the depth and the financial problems they will have with Brawn's extension, especially with stingy ownership. I think Denver's move should be to trade MPJ for a similar but cheaper archetype (Cam Johnson) and get an extra scorer handler...(Sexton?)

Zion still has 1st team All-NBA ceiling and MPJ doesn’t. OKC is likely to improve faster than Denver. Denver just took a big gamble firing their coach and GM, and it sorta worked, so they have recent confirmation bias for engaging with risk. New GM wants to make an imprint on the team.

[jayjaysee]

Going to lose this one but.. pretending you can do a one year tank in Dallas?

Kyrie, Klay, Hardy for Dame, Connaughton, (Milwaukee vet min or two dumped on a third team to get around apron rules)

What value does Milwaukee agree to pay to get a 2 years younger guard that should extend 10+ mil cheaper.. and be healthy sooner?

For Dallas, you tank and hope Dame leads the kids next season as an expiring hoping to get one more big contract? And Milwaukee owes something (decent?)

[Godaddycurse]

Going to lose this one but.. pretending you can do a one year tank in Dallas?

Kyrie, Klay, Hardy for Dame, Connaughton, (Milwaukee vet min or two dumped on a third team to get around apron rules)

What value does Milwaukee agree to pay to get a 2 years younger guard that should extend 10+ mil cheaper.. and be healthy sooner?

For Dallas, you tank and hope Dame leads the kids next season as an expiring hoping to get one more big contract? And Milwaukee owes something (decent?)

Both are big question marks off Achilles injury. Extra 2 months arent worth very much? Also are we sure kyrie would extend there? Im skeptical of that

[mademan]

Going to lose this one but.. pretending you can do a one year tank in Dallas?

Kyrie, Klay, Hardy for Dame, Connaughton, (Milwaukee vet min or two dumped on a third team to get around apron rules)

What value does Milwaukee agree to pay to get a 2 years younger guard that should extend 10+ mil cheaper.. and be healthy sooner?

For Dallas, you tank and hope Dame leads the kids next season as an expiring hoping to get one more big contract? And Milwaukee owes something (decent?)

Both are big question marks off Achilles injury. Extra 2 months arent worth very much? Also are we sure kyrie would extend there? Im skeptical of that

1 is an achilles, the other is ACL. ACL injuries have been shrugged off by guys in multiple sports (though Kyrie being a small guard at his age is certainly more concerning) while achilles have been career enders for basically everyone besides KD. There is certainly risk involved here for the Bucks, but if the price is relatively small (a 1st), they should jump on it.

Kyrie should welcome a desperate Bucks team willing to open up the chequebook for him, but who knows if he would.

[Godaddycurse]

Going to lose this one but.. pretending you can do a one year tank in Dallas?

Kyrie, Klay, Hardy for Dame, Connaughton, (Milwaukee vet min or two dumped on a third team to get around apron rules)

What value does Milwaukee agree to pay to get a 2 years younger guard that should extend 10+ mil cheaper.. and be healthy sooner?

For Dallas, you tank and hope Dame leads the kids next season as an expiring hoping to get one more big contract? And Milwaukee owes something (decent?)

Both are big question marks off Achilles injury. Extra 2 months arent worth very much? Also are we sure kyrie would extend there? Im skeptical of that

1 is an achilles, the other is ACL. ACL injuries have been shrugged off by guys in multiple sports (though Kyrie being a small guard at his age is certainly more concerning) while achilles have been career enders for basically everyone besides KD. There is certainly risk involved here for the Bucks, but if the price is relatively small (a 1st), they should jump on it.

Kyrie should welcome a desperate Bucks team willing to open up the chequebook for him, but who knows if he would.

By bad i thought both were achilles. Confused him with murray

[zimpy27]

Playing around with this, what do you guys think?


Celtics give Porzingis
Celtics get fake 2nd

Nets get Lillard, 2 bad future FRPs
Nets give #36, fake 2nd

Suns give Beal, 2 bad future FRPs
Suns get Porzingis, $23m TPE

Bucks give Lillard
Bucks get Beal, #36

[ReggiesKnicks]

Playing around with this, what do you guys think?


Celtics give Porzingis
Celtics get fake 2nd

Nets get Lillard, 2 bad future FRPs
Nets give #36

Suns give Beal, 2 bad future FRPs
Suns get Porzingis, $23m TPE

Bucks give Lillard
Bucks get Beal, #36

Celtics: Great
Nets: Terrible
Suns: Great
Bucks: Sure

Seems like the Nets get shafted at the cost of the Celtics and Suns.

[mademan]

Playing around with this, what do you guys think?


Celtics give Porzingis
Celtics get fake 2nd

Nets get Lillard, 2 bad future FRPs
Nets give #36

Suns give Beal, 2 bad future FRPs
Suns get Porzingis, $23m TPE

Bucks give Lillard
Bucks get Beal, #36

Fine for everyone but the Nets. I think they can squeeze out more than 2 bad 1sts for 50mill in cap space in a league where a lot of teams are desperate to dump money with not a lot of places to dump them to.

[jayjaysee]

Going to lose this one but.. pretending you can do a one year tank in Dallas?

Kyrie, Klay, Hardy for Dame, Connaughton, (Milwaukee vet min or two dumped on a third team to get around apron rules)

What value does Milwaukee agree to pay to get a 2 years younger guard that should extend 10+ mil cheaper.. and be healthy sooner?

For Dallas, you tank and hope Dame leads the kids next season as an expiring hoping to get one more big contract? And Milwaukee owes something (decent?)

Both are big question marks off Achilles injury. Extra 2 months arent worth very much? Also are we sure kyrie would extend there? Im skeptical of that

As pointed, Kyrie isn’t as major of a major injury. But still.

And I’m not sure where he’d be happy. He is Kyrie. But he’s been happy in Dallas and amazing off/on court. And Milwaukee has Giannis. So the on court fit is great and he’d be competing.. and Milwaukee likely pays him more than anyone else due to their complete inability to replace him..

No idea what value they’d offer, so not sure the idea is really fixable.

Dallas can just extend Kyrie and he’ll be a good vet around the kids and might be the better player moving forward due to Dame’s age/injury.. So should be asking for a good asset in return.

And it is probably better for Milwaukee to upgrade else where using their last first and hope Dame comes back well versus swapping in a slightly younger, but still old, guard.

[zimpy27]

Playing around with this, what do you guys think?


Celtics give Porzingis
Celtics get fake 2nd

Nets get Lillard, 2 bad future FRPs
Nets give #36

Suns give Beal, 2 bad future FRPs
Suns get Porzingis, $23m TPE

Bucks give Lillard
Bucks get Beal, #36

Fine for everyone but the Nets. I think they can squeeze out more than 2 bad 1sts for 50mill in cap space in a league where a lot of teams are desperate to dump money with not a lot of places to dump them to.

I think Lillard likely comes back to be a valuable player in 26-27 at the deadline and he's on an expiring. Nets would be taking the bet that they can get more value for him then. If Lillard is up playing again then I could easily see a contending team looking to add his expiring at the deadline to use him in the playoffs. Then you negotiate his next deal for cheaper.

[mademan]

Playing around with this, what do you guys think?


Celtics give Porzingis
Celtics get fake 2nd

Nets get Lillard, 2 bad future FRPs
Nets give #36

Suns give Beal, 2 bad future FRPs
Suns get Porzingis, $23m TPE

Bucks give Lillard
Bucks get Beal, #36

Fine for everyone but the Nets. I think they can squeeze out more than 2 bad 1sts for 50mill in cap space in a league where a lot of teams are desperate to dump money with not a lot of places to dump them to.

I think Lillard likely comes back to be a valuable player in 26-27 and he's on an expiring. Nets would be taking the bet that they can get more value for him then or keep him as part of their build to try compete in 26-27.

He's 36 when he comes back with possibly the worst injury you can have in the NBA. Besides KD, has anyone come back remotely the same?

[jayjaysee]

Playing around with this, what do you guys think?


Celtics give Porzingis
Celtics get fake 2nd

Nets get Lillard, 2 bad future FRPs
Nets give #36

Suns give Beal, 2 bad future FRPs
Suns get Porzingis, $23m TPE

Bucks give Lillard
Bucks get Beal, #36

I think it could look like..

KP and DJM to Phoenix
Dame to NOP
Beal to Mil
Fake 2nds to Boston

And you find the teams to take Kelly and Royce into their MLE’s? Should be possible.

Then figure out the value owed to NOP?

KP/KD/Dunn/Booker/DJM might be worth trying for a playoff run.. know they won’t but yeah

[zimpy27]

Fine for everyone but the Nets. I think they can squeeze out more than 2 bad 1sts for 50mill in cap space in a league where a lot of teams are desperate to dump money with not a lot of places to dump them to.

I think Lillard likely comes back to be a valuable player in 26-27 and he's on an expiring. Nets would be taking the bet that they can get more value for him then or keep him as part of their build to try compete in 26-27.

He's 36 when he comes back with possibly the worst injury you can have in the NBA. Besides KD, has anyone come back remotely the same?

Not sure honestly and I don't think age is actually well related to outcome for Achilles. More likely depends on individuals and how they respond to recovery.

But we have more successful returns in the past decade than not. I'd be expecting he comes back somewhere between Klay and Durant.

[TheNetsFan]

I think Lillard likely comes back to be a valuable player in 26-27 and he's on an expiring. Nets would be taking the bet that they can get more value for him then or keep him as part of their build to try compete in 26-27.

He's 36 when he comes back with possibly the worst injury you can have in the NBA. Besides KD, has anyone come back remotely the same?

Not sure honestly and I don't think age is actually well related to outcome for Achilles. More likely depends on individuals and how they respond to recovery.

But we have more successful returns in the past decade than not. I'd be expecting he comes back somewhere between Klay and Durant.

KD and Klay were significantly younger than Dame is when they suffered their injuries. They're also bigger, in KD's case much bigger, and they don't need to rely on their athleticism nearly as much. Personally, I think Dame is cooked worse than Klay.

[psman2]

I think Lillard likely comes back to be a valuable player in 26-27 and he's on an expiring. Nets would be taking the bet that they can get more value for him then or keep him as part of their build to try compete in 26-27.

He's 36 when he comes back with possibly the worst injury you can have in the NBA. Besides KD, has anyone come back remotely the same?

Not sure honestly and I don't think age is actually well related to outcome for Achilles. More likely depends on individuals and how they respond to recovery.

But we have more successful returns in the past decade than not. I'd be expecting he comes back somewhere between Klay and Durant.

Odds are he looks like Kobe last 2 years after he tore his Achilles at 34. Those were not pretty seasons.

[shrink]

I think there will be a glut of buyers this summer. We could see 13-14 teams going for the playoffs in the West, and even 10-12 in the East, with BOS down and IND making several other teams think, “Why not us?”

With so many teams trying to improve, the few sellers could really profit this year, selling talent and brokering deals in exchange for future picks and prospects. You can find good value if you “zig” when most of the market is “zagging.”

Would these bargains be enough to “flip” an expected buyer into a seller? Which teams would be most likely to change course?

[zimpy27]

He's 36 when he comes back with possibly the worst injury you can have in the NBA. Besides KD, has anyone come back remotely the same?

Not sure honestly and I don't think age is actually well related to outcome for Achilles. More likely depends on individuals and how they respond to recovery.

But we have more successful returns in the past decade than not. I'd be expecting he comes back somewhere between Klay and Durant.

KD and Klay were significantly younger than Dame is when they suffered their injuries. They're also bigger, in KD's case much bigger, and they don't need to rely on their athleticism nearly as much. Personally, I think Dame is cooked worse than Klay.

Age doesn't correlate to outcomes for Achilles.