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Cammo101 wrote:Sadly, there are no easy fixes for what is wrong with us. We are getting nothing from Arenas, Jameer has not been right since Arenas got here, JRich can't defend a folding chair, Hedo runs hot and cold, Bass and Anderson are both below average starting PF's. And everyone on this list can't defend at all.

Dwight is carrying us on both ends of the floor right now. If the trade deadline passes without a deal, then we are in big, big trouble.

you can thank the great otis smith, this guy was given a gift when he took over and he has folded

they will put the ball in hedo's hands when the playoffs start. now they are just using the other players to see if they can be trustable. jameer is too inconsistent. he drives to the base line and turns it over half of the time. 5 assists with 5 turnovers is not good enough. handling the ball for 14-20 seconds only to pass to someone with a dead position is not good too.

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Cammo101 wrote:This. The Magic are so much better when the offense is run through Hedo. Put the ball back in his hands. Wake up.

Get Monta Ellis, let him be the PG, run the offense mostly through Hedo. That is my best guess at how to fix this. Ellis, Randolph, and Dwight is the best big 3 we can do. Those 3 with Hedo would be nasty.

So much for a nice win to slow down all the Dwight trade talk... this is depressing.

I'm pretty glad we have some tough games coming up. A lot of things will be made very clear to me after this next group of games.

Nemesis21 wrote:

cb1115 wrote:

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Stan said he is not happy with anything other than Dwight right now. Can't count on anything/anyone else.

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Stan also said that he is open to making changes all around. Reiterated everyone is letting him down outside of Dwight.

Hope that includes himself(SVG).

i dont think Stan's ever said that after a loss before

The sh@t is starting to hit the fan here. This ship is starting to sink and the distractions of where Dwight is headed to is driving me nuts.

[quote="Skin]When we play with a stretch 4
It didn't work, and the league is tougher now than it was then... It won't ever work. If you think the league hasn't caught up to knowing how to defend us against it, then you clearly lack the logic to know what will work in Orlando.[/quote]

Anyone who thinks Arenas should play MORE shouldn't be questioning others logic. Yeh, almost winning two years ago is ancient history. That 's practically back to the days of Bill Russell.

I think it's really telling that Stan can't even afford to play JRich in crunch time anymore, despite him easily being our most clutch player.

Skin wrote:It didn't work, and the league is tougher now than it was then... It won't ever work. If you think the league hasn't caught up to knowing how to defend us against it, then you clearly lack the logic to know what will work in Orlando.

There is no way to defend it without single covering the center, last year the celtics beat us because they had perkins containing dwight, this year dwight is better offensivly, and will probably do better against any single coverage.

Also when you have 4 shooters and a dominant big man inside it should be easy to get quality shots, as you can see in this video, I still cant understand why we dont run more pick n rolls with hedo and dwight.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ga49vPn2ao&p=D9C67F04B3509347[/youtube]

Cammo- What would you guys give up to acquire Ellis? With the season he is having, he would NOT come on the cheap.

zORi wrote:I think it's really telling that Stan can't even afford to play JRich in crunch time anymore, despite him easily being our most clutch player.

wont play him. Wont run plays for him. Whats the use of having him?

j_n wrote:

Skin wrote:It didn't work, and the league is tougher now than it was then... It won't ever work. If you think the league hasn't caught up to knowing how to defend us against it, then you clearly lack the logic to know what will work in Orlando.

There is no way to defend it without single covering the center, last year the celtics beat us because they had perkins containing dwight, this year dwight is better offensivly, and will probably do better against any single coverage.

Also when you have 4 shooters and a dominant big man inside it should be easy to get quality shots, as you can see in this video, I still cant understand why we dont run more pick n rolls with hedo and dwight.

Please don't say "there is no way to defend it"... it's not hard to guard the 3 point line... especially when there is no movement.

This is truly epic bad. Stan should be furious with everyone but Dwight. Including himself.

In his postgame Stan said he feels everyone on the team is capable of playing good defense. Is he watching the same games we are? Jrich/bass and the lot are obviously trying they just suck.

j_n wrote:

Skin wrote:It didn't work, and the league is tougher now than it was then... It won't ever work. If you think the league hasn't caught up to knowing how to defend us against it, then you clearly lack the logic to know what will work in Orlando.

There is no way to defend it without single covering the center, last year the celtics beat us because they had perkins containing dwight, this year dwight is better offensivly, and will probably do better against any single coverage.

Also when you have 4 shooters and a dominant big man inside it should be easy to get quality shots, as you can see in this video, I still cant understand why we dont run more pick n rolls with hedo and dwight.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ga49vPn2ao&p=D9C67F04B3509347[/youtube]

Exactly. Put the ball in Hedo's hands. Turn Nelson into a shooter. Sit Arenas. This team can still win it all.

Skin wrote:Please don't say "there is no way to defend it"... it's not hard to guard the 3 point line... especially when there is no movement.

Well, if you double dwight, than you have to leave a three point shooter open, and if you dont, you have a mismatch, so unless you have someone who can contain dwight alone than you have to allow a good shot every possession, the problem is that we get away from our biggest advantage by taking ill advised shotsand making bad decisions.

SubyWill wrote:I'll be there, if we lose, I'm throwing myself off the Awmay Center tower.

BRB, Going to kill myself.

j_n wrote:

Skin wrote:Please don't say "there is no way to defend it"... it's not hard to guard the 3 point line... especially when there is no movement.

Well, if you double dwight, than you have to leave a three point shooter open, and if you dont, you have a mismatch, so unless you have someone who can contain dwight alone than you have to allow a good shot every possession, the problem is that we get away from our biggest advantage by taking ill advised shotsand making bad decisions.

In theory, yes.

But Howard isn't as dominant as Shaquille O'Neal. Even after his improvement, the Celtics are still defending Howard in single coverage. In fact, others teams have started employing the same strategy. People are beginning to realize that it isn't a matter of 'picking your poison' because stopping our 3-point shooters is all you need to do to beat us. Teams can live with Howard getting his, because it isn't going to be enough.

With guys like LeBron, Wade, Jordan, Bryant, and O'Neal, single coverage wasn't an option. But Dwight just isn't on that level offensively. He can't carry a team with his scoring and he needs help.

j_n wrote:

Skin wrote:Please don't say "there is no way to defend it"... it's not hard to guard the 3 point line... especially when there is no movement.

Well, if you double dwight, than you have to leave a three point shooter open, and if you dont, you have a mismatch, so unless you have someone who can contain dwight alone than you have to allow a good shot every possession, the problem is that we get away from our biggest advantage by taking ill advised shotsand making bad decisions.

Yeah... um... have you seen our team passing? How about players moving to get open? We get the bare minimum. Lastly, you gotta have shooters who pose a threat at making the 3. On nights like tonight when they aren't making their shots, you got to do something else. The 4 outside, 1 inside approach is appropriate at times, but not at all times. You gotta have a coach that can adjust when he sees that it isn't working and Stan doesn't see it nor does he have the ability to scheme anything else.

Hilltop wrote:

j_n wrote:

Skin wrote:Please don't say "there is no way to defend it"... it's not hard to guard the 3 point line... especially when there is no movement.

Well, if you double dwight, than you have to leave a three point shooter open, and if you dont, you have a mismatch, so unless you have someone who can contain dwight alone than you have to allow a good shot every possession, the problem is that we get away from our biggest advantage by taking ill advised shotsand making bad decisions.

In theory, yes.

But Howard isn't as dominant as Shaquille O'Neal. Even after his improvement, the Celtics are still defending Howard in single coverage. In fact, others teams have started employing the same strategy. People are beginning to realize that it isn't a matter of 'picking your poison' because stopping our 3-point shooters is all you need to do to beat us. Teams can live with Howard getting his, because it isn't going to be enough.

With guys like LeBron, Wade, Jordan, Bryant, and O'Neal, single coverage wasn't an option. But Dwight just isn't on that level offensively. He can't carry a team with his scoring and he needs help.

More and more times we are seeing D12 go off, but we still lose.

We're becoming the Orlando Howards ... sigh.