Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLV "Re-Building" Edition)

[tjm384]

Orlando could've had Iggy?


Sixers GM Rod Thorn confirmed that the Dwight Howard mega-deal was originally just going to be three teams - the Lakers, Sixers and Magic - but because Orlando didn't want Andre Iguodala, Denver became the fourth team involved to facilitate the trade.

[Nyce_1]

I agree that Baby plays hard, but that doesn't make him talented. He is still a jump shooter who can't shoot. I like my primary post scorer to be better than 43%. His man to man defense is suspect, but he is one of the best in the league at his defensive rotations and IQ.

It seems Davis is being kept around for his intangibles. Dude learned from a great culture and leader in KG & the Celtics and because of that, he embodies what we want and are trying to do here. His value to us may come on the court, but his intangibles off the court is what will really benefit us and the younger players. Dude WANTS to stay here and go through the rebuild and create something special in Orlando. Not a lot of guys have that mentality and it'll only spread to the youngsters.

If you're going to say youth and intangibles, fine but remember that there was a reason he fell out of the rotation in Boston. 1) He kept reporting to camp out of shape. That would be OK if he was Shaq, but not for an 8th man. 2) He was never able to consistently hit the mid range jumper that Bass has been nailing for them. All the hustle in the world doesn't explain why we gave him that extension. If we were just brining hi min to appease Dwight, we should have let him play out the final year of his deal so he could expire when Dwight expired and we would have been winners all around. I love that he plays hard and wants to be here, but for now, I would rather Drew, Nik, Ayon, and McBobs get those minutes at PF/C and I hate paying guys $6M to sit on the bench and cheer.

we never extended Davis. We traded for him as a S&T.

i'm not arguing that he isn't the most talented player but he'll hustle and give 100% in games or in practice and challenge Drew, Nik, Ayon, & O'Quinn to get better. Hopefully, he's willing to teach them how to play in the NBA; how to rotate on D and what to look for when making reads. His shot isn't as automatic as Bass' but he's ten times the defensive player Bass is and that will help the coach when developing the youth and showing them how it's done. What other available vets can do that for us and this group? His contract will also help count against the cap floor once we trade/let expire the other vet contracts on the roster.

[BadMofoPimp]

Orlando could've had Iggy?


Sixers GM Rod Thorn confirmed that the Dwight Howard mega-deal was originally just going to be three teams - the Lakers, Sixers and Magic - but because Orlando didn't want Andre Iguodala, Denver became the fourth team involved to facilitate the trade.

LOLOLOL. Magic wanted Harrington/Afflalo over Iggy. LOLOLOL

LOLOLOL. Better yet, Magic couldn't get better for Iggy. LOLOLOL

[The Real Dalic]

Orlando could've had Iggy?


Sixers GM Rod Thorn confirmed that the Dwight Howard mega-deal was originally just going to be three teams - the Lakers, Sixers and Magic - but because Orlando didn't want Andre Iguodala, Denver became the fourth team involved to facilitate the trade.

LOLOLOL. Magic wanted Harrington/Afflalo over Iggy. LOLOLOL

Iggy would've kept us in the middle of the pack. . . Not sure why some people keep saying we lost out on him, or Bynum, or anyone. We're trying to suck to get high picks. At least, that's what I'm getting from Rob.

[rcklsscognition]

Well you believe incorrectly. Look at it again. Look at even the final year where the only guaranteed (and it's not technically guaranteed cuz he could opt out) is Afflalo's player option...but it still claims we are on the hook for $13mil

That is how team salaries are calculated. You put the numbers of all players down that are guaranteed money if they are on the team. Why would you list a team salary of just the salary of no players? That doesn't make sense. These are our obligations, if the players are on the team, which is the basic assumption. You don't assume they aren't on the team.

Ummmmm, no. The debate was that we were "financially strapped" and somebody wanted to know what our cap situation looked like going forward. If you hold team options on players, that doesn't leave you "strapped" as you have the option to tell the player to F-off for $0 hit against your cap. My point was that it's misleading to put those numbers because people who don't look into it much (like you - "I believe they include all guaranteed money" which makes it seem as though we have guaranteed a player that money no matter what, which isn't true because we have the option to decline that portion of the contract) will think that we have all that cap room eaten up.

What is the point of debating with people who think having 29 million in commitments including team options is financially strapped? I understand what you saying, we have flexibility, but the argument shouldn't be so close as for it to matter if our few million in team options are included or not, which they are everywhere.

[glove1989]

Orlando could've had Iggy?


Sixers GM Rod Thorn confirmed that the Dwight Howard mega-deal was originally just going to be three teams - the Lakers, Sixers and Magic - but because Orlando didn't want Andre Iguodala, Denver became the fourth team involved to facilitate the trade.

LOLOLOL. Magic wanted Harrington/Afflalo over Iggy. LOLOLOL

Dude the ranting is awful. The trade happened no taking it back. Whether you complain or don't makes no difference so stop running meaningless but fun speculation with your temper tantrum. I expected it for a day or two but no more man.

[sportsrock37]

Wait, Bynum is worth a top 10 pick or a player picked in the top 10 of this years draft. . .

Wait, Iggy is worth a top 10 pick or a player picked in the top 10 of this years draft. . .

Instead, Magic got Aflalo at $7.5mil over 4 years and Harrington at $7 mil per over 3 years.

Oh yeh, a player drafted 15th in the draft.

Absolutely Epic Fail!

who cares about any of those players if ownership decided they wanted to go into a rebuilding process? those two players doesn't help that at all......Contrary to believe Affalo and Harrington can be moved.....i swear man people are acting like there was any situation where we could of been 100% happy.....not everyone is going to be happy no matter we did or what other deals we took.....

Ok. Maybe I am not explaining myself clearly enough. I am not saying the Magic or their fans wanted those players. But, they could have gotten value back worthy of an Iggy and Bynum. Instead, the Magic got hosed with longer term contracts than what they sent out and a player worth 15th pick in the draft. Iggy or Bynum are worth more than that alone.

It is like the Magic wanted to hurt themselves in this trade instead of improve.

Worst trade I ever witnessed in Professional Sports history. I am embarrased for the Magic and our fans.

Do you feel better every time you post how terrible this trade was? I sure hope so. We already know your opinion on it, the more you complain won't change the fact that it happened. You aren't going to change the optimistic fans view points. I am trying to feel optimistic about a **** situation. Hopefully the young players turn out. We will see what happens with these players that Hennigan is high on. I trust his judgment on talent. I'm going to be happy to watch players that will play hard and give a **** and want to play for the Magic.

Harrington is only going to be here for this year if he even lasts that long. The whole contract is not fully guaranteed. Afflalo is a good player. I'd rather have Afflalo and Harrington and their protected pick then Iggy for the rebuild.

[BadMofoPimp]

Orlando could've had Iggy?


Sixers GM Rod Thorn confirmed that the Dwight Howard mega-deal was originally just going to be three teams - the Lakers, Sixers and Magic - but because Orlando didn't want Andre Iguodala, Denver became the fourth team involved to facilitate the trade.

LOLOLOL. Magic wanted Harrington/Afflalo over Iggy. LOLOLOL

Iggy would've kept us in the middle of the pack. . . Not sure why some people keep saying we lost out on him, or Bynum, or anyone. We're trying to suck to get high picks. At least, that's what I'm getting from Rob.

Magic could have traded Iggy to the Warriors for Harrisson Barnes or to some other team for much better than Afflalo/Harrington!?!?!

[MoMM]

Orlando could've had Iggy?


Sixers GM Rod Thorn confirmed that the Dwight Howard mega-deal was originally just going to be three teams - the Lakers, Sixers and Magic - but because Orlando didn't want Andre Iguodala, Denver became the fourth team involved to facilitate the trade.

LOLOLOL. Magic wanted Harrington/Afflalo over Iggy. LOLOLOL

Dude the ranting is awful. The trade happened no taking it back. Whether you complain or don't makes no difference so stop running meaningless but fun speculation with your temper tantrum. I expected it for a day or two but no more man.

This, BMF is becoming pretty annoying.

[MoMM]

Harrington is only going to be here for this year if he even lasts that long. The whole contract is not fully guaranteed. Afflalo is a good player. I'd rather have Afflalo and Harrington and their protected pick then Iggy for the rebuild.

And a 2nd!

BTW, dont forget that Iguodala will be a FA next summer, so he could simply leave us.

[colamagicfan]

anyone remember this trade in 2007

Boston sent the Minnesota Timberwolves forwards Al Jefferson, Ryan Gomes and Gerald Green, guard Sebastian Telfair and center Theo Ratliff, two first-round draft picks and cash considerations. Besides Ratliff, 34, the other four are 24 or younger. 1 of the picks they drafted in 2009 at 28 Wayne Ellington, the other was their own 2009 pick being returned to them they drafted Johnny Flynn

besides the names not to much different

[BadMofoPimp]

You guys do know that if you search on Google for people angry with this trade, that RealGM comes up near the top of the list with my Rants. There is a method to my madness and RealGM benefits in the long run. Anyways, the League is Rigged and I am just amazed that people are that ready to accept their fate of rooting for a Franchise that will never go anywhere.

Lightning struck here twice, but will not happen (3) times because the Magic are not going to be bad enough to get the top (5) picks in the draft for (4) years in a row. You know how bad the Magic have to be to get that lucky. And, Charlotte just did that and they still are not going to be the next Thunder.

Thus, Magic organization just told the Magic nation that they will never compete for a title ever again. But, the Lakers can and always will, so we might as well farm for them.

[OrlandO]

LOLOLOL. Magic wanted Harrington/Afflalo over Iggy. LOLOLOL

Dude the ranting is awful. The trade happened no taking it back. Whether you complain or don't makes no difference so stop running meaningless but fun speculation with your temper tantrum. I expected it for a day or two but no more man.

This, BMF is becoming pretty annoying.

It's pretty disgusting. I wonder if there's an ETA on when his depression will end...

[ChildishGambino]

Me personally i don't like the trade but at the same time i'm not going to sit here and think that Rob actually tried to hurt the franchise.....i believe that he AND OWNERSHIP believed TOGETHER that they chose the best deal for the future of the franchise.....I can understand why they did what they did if we are in a rebuilding process....

we can speculate all day what we could of gotten for this player or that player but the other teams would have to want to deal as well? can't force other teams to take a player they have to want him anybody can plug in "we could of traded this player to that team" but you have to take in account the other team's situation and whether or not they even wanted to be a part of a Howard trade situation.......At the end of the day what's done is done...Accept it or don't it doesn't change anything

[KingRobb02]

People should just get over the names in this trade. The Magic are not trying to be better this year or even next year. Acquiring even a mid-level, Igoudala like star would ruin our long term plans. Our guys know that we need a superstar to compete and the only shot we had at one was keeping Dwight (no chance) and crossing our fingers in the draft. No bad teams were going to facilitate this trade so we took the picks from the teams we could.

Let's consider this. If there was a trade on the table that sent Dwight to LA while giving us Ibaka and Harden, and sending Bynum to OKC to play with Russ and KD, don't we still come out of that deal as the third best team? Wouldn't the Heat still be better than us in our own division? Wouldn't it kill our cap to have two max guys, whose peak would be 2nd round?

[Nyce_1]

Harrington is only going to be here for this year if he even lasts that long. The whole contract is not fully guaranteed. Afflalo is a good player. I'd rather have Afflalo and Harrington and their protected pick then Iggy for the rebuild.

I rather have Harrington than Turk. George Karl had high praises for him as very coachable and a vet leader in the lockerroom. I was against Harrington but if we get rid of Turk, I'd welcome him to stay.

Turk on the other hand, keep his laziness away from the team. Hopefully, we can trade him for a PG.

As I see it, the first half of the season will be spent building value for the vets and allowing them to play themselves into a "better" situation and us flipping them for assets. After the deadline, we'll see more and more of our rookies. Next season, will be full TANK mode.

[MoMM]

anyone remember this trade in 2007

Boston sent the Minnesota Timberwolves forwards Al Jefferson, Ryan Gomes and Gerald Green, guard Sebastian Telfair and center Theo Ratliff, two first-round draft picks and cash considerations. Besides Ratliff, 34, the other four are 24 or younger. 1 of the picks they drafted in 2009 at 28 Wayne Ellington, the other was their own 2009 pick being returned to them they drafted Johnny Flynn

besides the names not to much different

Looks like you are saying that with our trade will happen the same thing, right? Al Jeff is a 20/10 player and if Wolves had drafted Stephen Curry (#7 pick, Flynn was #6) the trade wouldnt look so bad, right?

[BadMofoPimp]

People should just get over the names in this trade. The Magic are not trying to be better this year or even next year. Acquiring even a mid-level, Igoudala like star would ruin our long term plans. Our guys know that we need a superstar to compete and the only shot we had at one was keeping Dwight (no chance) and crossing our fingers in the draft. No bad teams were going to facilitate this trade so we took the picks from the teams we could.

But, the Magic could get a top 10 level young talent for Iggy or Bynum. Not, two veterans that are past their prime and the 15th pick in the draft. Ooops.

[TDJacksonville]

Dude the ranting is awful. The trade happened no taking it back. Whether you complain or don't makes no difference so stop running meaningless but fun speculation with your temper tantrum. I expected it for a day or two but no more man.

This, BMF is becoming pretty annoying.

It's pretty disgusting. I wonder if there's an ETA on when his depression will end...

maybe we should lock up his ISP and his account name

[KingRobb02]

People should just get over the names in this trade. The Magic are not trying to be better this year or even next year. Acquiring even a mid-level, Igoudala like star would ruin our long term plans. Our guys know that we need a superstar to compete and the only shot we had at one was keeping Dwight (no chance) and crossing our fingers in the draft. No bad teams were going to facilitate this trade so we took the picks from the teams we could.

But, the Magic could get a top 10 level young talent for Iggy or Bynum. Not, two veterans that are past their prime and the 15th pick in the draft. Ooops.

If it was that easy to trade those guys for value, they would have been moved by now. Every summer we hear that Igoudala is on the block. The snag is always that the Sixers think of him at one level, while the other team tries to get him for guys like Monta Ellis. I don't know why people think our front office is so much better at flipping talent than their current team.