Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season

[islanders11040]

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Just in time for the discussion lmao!!! Put up 5 mins ago.

This is absoulatly beautiful and to think we're only 20 games into the season while Rose is adjusting to a new system, new coach & different teammates. Wow. Just wow.

When i try telling people that Rose has regained his quickness, athletic-athleticism and overall explosiveness; this is exactly what I'm talking about.

And to make it even more exciting his FG% of .455% is the highest it's been since his career year of his All-Star year of 2009-2010 (.489%) and even higher than his career year of 2010-2011 (.445%).

Madison Square Garden loves him already. New York faithful erupts with excitement every time Rose comes through (unlike those who root against him while on their living room couch).

I just wanna see consistent improvement from him from this point on. Keep up the defense hes been playing the last 10 games rather than the first. Keep the turnovers down (3.3 to's 1st 10 games vs 2.0 to's last 10 games). Get to the free throw line more (24 fta 1st 10 games vs 50 fta last 10 games).

One thing would I reeeeally love to see is a uptick in his passes out of the p&r to KP. I hope Hornacek shows him the opportunities hes missing there.

Im not gonna pretend to be hopeful he's gonna stop Jump passing at this point Thats being too hopeful.

If he does all of those things and misses less than 10 games, then i resign him.

[Icandoallthings]

3 years 35-40 is the most I could see Rose getting from any team not named the Knicks he should be a 6th man type with minutes restrictions if we hope to keep him healthy.
I would prefer getting Jennings to commit to 4 years 36-40. Then again we are the Knicks so I expect them to overpay every player and bid against themselves like we always do.

[K_ick_God]

3 years 35-40 is the most I could see Rose getting from any team not named the Knicks he should be a 6th man type with minutes restrictions if we hope to keep him healthy.
I would prefer getting Jennings to commit to 4 years 36-40. Then again we are the Knicks so I expect them to overpay every player and bid against themselves like we always do.

Those salary figures don't pass the laugh test. Did you think this was the Justin Holiday extension thread?

[NYKMentality85]

3 years 35-40 is the most I could see Rose getting from any team not named the Knicks he should be a 6th man type with minutes restrictions if we hope to keep him healthy.
I would prefer getting Jennings to commit to 4 years 36-40. Then again we are the Knicks so I expect them to overpay every player and bid against themselves like we always do.

Those salary figures don't pass the laugh test. Did you think this was the Justin Holiday extension thread?

Exactly. And how does Jennings go from 5M per year to $9-$10M per? He's been good at times; but not that good.

[WesleyExChiFan]

other creators because rose isn't good at creating for others.

He was out for those two season.

the year with Nate was the one he was out from the ACL

the year with DJ was the one he went down 10 games in with the meniscus

but you knew all this cause you were smart enough to do your homework before posting

[blueNorange]

other creators because rose isn't good at creating for others.

He was out for those two season.

the year with Nate was the one he was out from the ACL

the year with DJ was the one he went down 10 games in with the meniscus

but you knew all this cause you were smart enough to do your homework before posting

ketchup like tomato sauce homie.

[Knicksfan20]

other creators because rose isn't good at creating for others.

He was out for those two season.

the year with Nate was the one he was out from the ACL

the year with DJ was the one he went down 10 games in with the meniscus

but you knew all this cause you were smart enough to do your homework before posting

ketchup like tomato sauce homie.

Is that Jcrawford? Literally the best realgm quote of all time.

"Your grammar sucks"
Jcrawford- "Cuz im getting brains while im typing this. Ketchup like Tomato sauce homie" lmao. Was my sig for so long.

[blueNorange]

He was out for those two season.

the year with Nate was the one he was out from the ACL

the year with DJ was the one he went down 10 games in with the meniscus

but you knew all this cause you were smart enough to do your homework before posting

ketchup like tomato sauce homie.

Is that Jcrawford? Literally the best realgm quote of all time.

"Your grammar sucks"
Jcrawford- "Cuz im getting brains while im typing this. Ketchup like Tomato sauce homie" lmao. Was my sig for so long.

[Icandoallthings]

3 years 35-40 is the most I could see Rose getting from any team not named the Knicks he should be a 6th man type with minutes restrictions if we hope to keep him healthy.
I would prefer getting Jennings to commit to 4 years 36-40. Then again we are the Knicks so I expect them to overpay every player and bid against themselves like we always do.

Those salary figures don't pass the laugh test. Did you think this was the Justin Holiday extension thread?

Exactly. And how does Jennings go from 5M per year to $9-$10M per? He's been good at times; but not that good.

[Icandoallthings]

Like I said I don't see too many other teams willing to cough off big money on Rose. Maybe the Kings could overpay as a last resort to keep Cousins. Committing big money to an injury prone player whose game depends on athleticism is a high risk low reward situation. Jennings is probably the safer pickup provided he continues to produce and will be cheaper than Rose. It doesn't matter the Knicks will overpay its in their DNA.

[misterfrazier10]

The issue is not whether Rose is contributing. He obviously is.

The issue is his whole game is predicated on athletic explosiveness. He loses a step or breaks down and then the lack of court vision and only average facilitation skills are not enough to compensate for the downgrade in his abilities. Then Rose becomes ordinary and worth a quarter of a max contract. And the probability of that happening is unknown, but he is playing on repaired legs.

You open the bank for Rose, you're basically gambling on Amare 2.0 all over again.

rose has gotten better since he started out this season but you're right about him still relying on his athleticism and explosiveness. it's a ticking time bomb and is one of the factors of why the knicks were projected to win only 38 games or so. it's ironic that the style he plays that many people like is also what causes injuries. and because he can't change i don't think jackson is going to offer him much more than 16-17 million per season so he'll probably walk. good news is that jackson will have a great opportunity to acquire the point guard of the future next summer, hopefully someone closer to porzingis's age-- who knows maybe there's a european guard available too. jackson has great scouts. more likely jackson will sign jennings too.

[god shammgod]

ketchup like tomato sauce homie.

Is that Jcrawford? Literally the best realgm quote of all time.

"Your grammar sucks"
Jcrawford- "Cuz im getting brains while im typing this. Ketchup like Tomato sauce homie" lmao. Was my sig for so long.

one of the greatest moments. made me go find it.

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=850219#start_here

[CJackson]

The issue is not whether Rose is contributing. He obviously is.

The issue is his whole game is predicated on athletic explosiveness. He loses a step or breaks down and then the lack of court vision and only average facilitation skills are not enough to compensate for the downgrade in his abilities. Then Rose becomes ordinary and worth a quarter of a max contract. And the probability of that happening is unknown, but he is playing on repaired legs.

You open the bank for Rose, you're basically gambling on Amare 2.0 all over again.

rose has gotten better since he started out this season but you're right about him still relying on his athleticism and explosiveness. it's a ticking time bomb and is one of the factors of why the knicks were projected to win only 38 games or so. it's ironic that the style he plays that many people like is also what causes injuries. and because he can't change i don't think jackson is going to offer him much more than 16-17 million per season so he'll probably walk. good news is that jackson will have a great opportunity to acquire the point guard of the future next summer, hopefully someone closer to porzingis's age-- who knows maybe there's a european guard available too. jackson has great scouts. more likely jackson will sign jennings too.

Yes, that is pretty much it. Rose is a freight train and he will run into a wall physically the way he plays. He is not as durable as Iverson was and even AI wore down over time, but Rose already has had quite a long recuperation period in order to make this comeback, so it is simply judicious to accept he is not likely to hold up playing the way he does. He puts lots of stress on those legs. Something will have to give unless he is now a reborn iron man and I seriously doubt that.

[bbconair]

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Just in time for the discussion lmao!!! Put up 5 mins ago.

This is absoulatly beautiful and to think we're only 20 games into the season while Rose is adjusting to a new system, new coach & different teammates. Wow. Just wow.

When i try telling people that Rose has regained his quickness, athletic-athleticism and overall explosiveness; this is exactly what I'm talking about.

And to make it even more exciting his FG% of .455% is the highest it's been since his career year of his All-Star year of 2009-2010 (.489%) and even higher than his career year of 2010-2011 (.445%).

Madison Square Garden loves him already. New York faithful erupts with excitement every time Rose comes through (unlike those who root against him while on their living room couch).

I just wanna see consistent improvement from him from this point on. Keep up the defense hes been playing the last 10 games rather than the first. Keep the turnovers down (3.3 to's 1st 10 games vs 2.0 to's last 10 games). Get to the free throw line more (24 fta 1st 10 games vs 50 fta last 10 games).

One thing would I reeeeally love to see is a uptick in his passes out of the p&r to KP. I hope Hornacek shows him the opportunities hes missing there.

Im not gonna pretend to be hopeful he's gonna stop Jump passing at this point Thats being too hopeful.

If he does all of those things and misses less than 10 games, then i resign him.

well - he's performing much better than expected, and even better, he looks much better than expected as well. he's still looking (often) like one of the quickest cats out there.

but then, i'm always wondering, why isn't he winning more? why is he consistently ranked one of the worst pgs in the league? what is it about stats (and winning) that show such a huge discrepancy between what you see on film versus what you see on paper / stats? not that stats is the end all be all, but i think it is hard to discount all of the stats that continually point out the averageness of such a player...

[NYKMentality85]

Fk stats. Did you all not see how our team looked without Rose tonight?

Not saying we could've won with Rose out there but without Rose's ability to score, blow past his defender one on one, penetrate the defense and attack on the drive? Our starters struggled like never before (this year) especially Anthony & Porzingis.

Not only that but with Rose sitting & Jennings starting? Completely destroyed the chemestry and scoring ability of our 2nd unit due to Jennings starting; rather than being a leader for our bench unit.

Rose means so much more to the success of this team than any amount of "statistics" can show. Rose not being out there hurt both of our starters & bench chemestry alike (trickling down effect).

[Dunk93]

Wrong thread

[misterfrazier10]

This is absoulatly beautiful and to think we're only 20 games into the season while Rose is adjusting to a new system, new coach & different teammates. Wow. Just wow.

When i try telling people that Rose has regained his quickness, athletic-athleticism and overall explosiveness; this is exactly what I'm talking about.

And to make it even more exciting his FG% of .455% is the highest it's been since his career year of his All-Star year of 2009-2010 (.489%) and even higher than his career year of 2010-2011 (.445%).

Madison Square Garden loves him already. New York faithful erupts with excitement every time Rose comes through (unlike those who root against him while on their living room couch).

I just wanna see consistent improvement from him from this point on. Keep up the defense hes been playing the last 10 games rather than the first. Keep the turnovers down (3.3 to's 1st 10 games vs 2.0 to's last 10 games). Get to the free throw line more (24 fta 1st 10 games vs 50 fta last 10 games).

One thing would I reeeeally love to see is a uptick in his passes out of the p&r to KP. I hope Hornacek shows him the opportunities hes missing there.

Im not gonna pretend to be hopeful he's gonna stop Jump passing at this point Thats being too hopeful.

If he does all of those things and misses less than 10 games, then i resign him.

well - he's performing much better than expected, and even better, he looks much better than expected as well. he's still looking (often) like one of the quickest cats out there.

but then, i'm always wondering, why isn't he winning more? why is he consistently ranked one of the worst pgs in the league? what is it about stats (and winning) that show such a huge discrepancy between what you see on film versus what you see on paper / stats? not that stats is the end all be all, but i think it is hard to discount all of the stats that continually point out the averageness of such a player...

First I think you have to look at his impact on defense on the rest of the team. Granted the point guard is the position that gets most abused on defense, but Rose compared to other point guards is bad on defense. Since his defense has a bad effect on the others then he has to make up for it on offense by himself and what he does for others. He isn't a guy who's gonna set guys up enough with bunnies and he's bad at the 3 so that holds him back from having more success. The only things he can do better is take better shots and get to the line more than he has. These are trending better. His goal should be 50% shooting and 5 free throws and 6 assists. And cut back on turnovers.

[LameDuck]

This was all so predictable. You don't think he's good because he's playing well, you think he's good because he's better than what we had before.

The Rose/Noah/Lee moves have pretty much locked us into mediocrity for the foreseeable future.

[KnicksFTW]

This was all so predictable. You don't think he's good because he's playing well, you think he's good because he's better than what we had before.

The Rose/Noah/Lee moves have pretty much locked us into mediocrity for the foreseeable future.

Please tell us our options to improve....who we realistically have a chance to sign.....

[NYKMentality85]

This was all so predictable. You don't think he's good because he's playing well, you think he's good because he's better than what we had before.

The Rose/Noah/Lee moves have pretty much locked us into mediocrity for the foreseeable future.

The bold is a false remark.

A.) I'm a fan of and a believer in Rose but NY is not forced to extend Rose. You do know he's only on a 1 year deal, right? Which means N.Y would gain an extra $21,323,250 come the offseason (by not locking up Rose long term).

B.) New York thanks to Phil Jackson now owns all of our draft picks moving forward (at Phil's disposal).

3.) The cap space needed in order to sign potential Free Agents is due to increase.

4.) The likes of Kuzminskas & especially Hernangomez are two really strong prospects to feature moving forward.

5.) We just drafted a cornerstone & franchise player in Porzingis who's still only 21 years of age as a developing NBA star within the makings

Yea. Right. "Locked us into mediocrity for the foreseeable future". I disagree strongly and regard that as a false statement.