Political Roundtable Part XVII

[gtn130]

Nate enters this thread once every six months and it takes him ~30 minutes to declare black people racially inferior. Good stuff.

[dckingsfan]

Interesting. It is pretty clear that we need to up our immigration policy. Specifically, we need to weigh advanced education, sex and age to maximize the benefit to the US.

But the Ds are specifically blocking this to keep familial and birthright citizenship. Interesting that the Ds are actually the ones blocking progress...

[nate33]

Yup. Every s***hole country is that way because of mean old whitey. It's never their own fault. Nevermind that the Dominican Republic is in much better shape while living on the same freaking island with the same freaking natural resources. The island is practically a case study in why people and culture matter. The GDP per capita of the Dominican Republic is 10 times that of Haiti!

Great take, dude. Here's an expert on Haiti to school you:

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@KatzOnEarth
In order to do a victory lap around the GDP difference between, say, Norway and Haiti, you have to know nothing about the history of the world.

That includes, especially, knowing nothing real about the history of the United States.

@KatzOnEarth
You have to first of all understand nothing about the Trans-Atlantic Slave trade.

You have to not understand anything about the systematic theft of African bodies and lives. And you have to not understand how that theft built the wealth we have today in Europe and the US.

@KatzOnEarth
You’d have to not know that the French colony that became Haiti provided the wealth that fueled the French Empire — and 2/3 of the sugar and 3/4 of the coffee that Europe consumed.

You’d have to not know how rich slave traders got off their system of kidnapping, rape, and murder

@KatzOnEarth
You’d have to not realize that Haiti was founded in a revolution against that system, and that European countries and the United States punished them for their temerity by refusing to recognize or trade with them for decades.

@KatzOnEarth
You’d have to not know that Haiti got recognition by agreeing to pay 150 million gold francs to French landowners in compensation for their own freedom.

You’d have to not know that Haiti paid it, and that it took them almost all of the 19th century to do so.

@KatzOnEarth
You’d then have to not know that Haiti was forced to borrow some money to pay back that ridiculous debt, some of it from banks in the United States.

And you’d have to not know that in 1914 those banks got President Wilson to send the US Marines to empty the Haitian gold reserve

@KatzOnEarth
.@RichLowry would have to not know about the chaos that ensued, and the 19-year US military occupation of Haiti that followed (at a time when the US was invading and occupying much of Central America and the Caribbean).

@KatzOnEarth
He and others have to not know about the rest of the 20th century either—the systematic theft and oppression, US support for dictators and coups, the US invasions of Haiti in 1994-95 and 2004 ...

@KatzOnEarth
... the use of the IMF and World Bank to impose new loans and destructive trade policies, including the now-famous rice tariff gutting that Bill Clinton apologized for but had been a policy since Reagan, and on and on ...

@KatzOnEarth
And you’d have to understand nothing about why the US (under George W. Bush) pushed for and paid a quarter of the UN “stabilization mission” that did little but keep Haiti’s presidents from being overthrown and kill 10,000 people by dumping cholera in its rivers. Etc.

@KatzOnEarth
In short, you’d have to know nothing about WHY Haiti is poor (or El Salvador in kind), and WHY the United States (and Norway) are wealthy.

But far worse than that, you’d have to not even be interested in asking the question.

And that’s where they really tell on themselves ...

@KatzOnEarth
Because what they are showing is that they ASSUME that Haiti is just naturally poor, that it’s an inherent state borne of the corruption of the people there, in all senses of the word.

And let’s just say out loud why that is: It’s because Haitians are black.

@KatzOnEarth
Racists have needed Haiti to be poor since it was founded. They pushed for its poverty. They have celebrated its poverty. They have tried to profit from its poverty.

They wanted it to be a ****. And they still do.

@KatzOnEarth
If Haiti is a ****, then they can say that black freedom and sovereignty are bad. They can hold it up as proof that white countries—and what’s whiter than Norway—are better, because white people are better.

They wanted that in 1804, and in 1915, and they want it now.

@KatzOnEarth
So if anyone tonight tries to trap you in a contest of “where would you rather live”—or “what about cholera” or “yeah but isn’t poverty bad?”—ask them what they know about how things got that way.

And then ask them why they’re ok with it.

Every nation has to deal with hardships and unfair circumstances. I'm sure there's a long list of issues that the Dominican Republic had to deal with, or Japan, or Korea, or Poland or Ireland. How many times have those nations been decimated by war or famine? But they recover and prosper. But not Haiti.

The Dominican Republic withstood 4 invasions from Haiti after they declared their independence. They were also used as a pawn in geopolitical struggles between Europe and American regarding the Panama Canal. They were invaded by the U.S. in 1916.

[nate33]

Nate enters this thread once every six months and it takes him ~30 minutes to declare black people racially inferior. Good stuff.

It took you even less time to blame all the problems of the 3rd world on whitey.

[gtn130]

Every nation has to deal with hardships and unfair circumstances. I'm sure there's a long list of issues that the Dominican Republic had to deal with, or Japan, or Korea, or Poland or Ireland. How many times have those nations been decimated by war or famine? But they recover and prosper. But not Haiti.

The Dominican Republic withstood 4 invasions from Haiti after they declared their independence. They were also used as a pawn in geopolitical struggles between Europe and American regarding the Panama Canal. They were invaded by the U.S. in 1916.

None of those situations are remotely similar.

Hope this helps

[gtn130]

Interesting. It is pretty clear that we need to up our immigration policy. Specifically, we need to weigh advanced education, sex and age to maximize the benefit to the US.

But the Ds are specifically blocking this to keep familial and birthright citizenship. Interesting that the Ds are actually the ones blocking progress...

Interesting indeed

[gtn130]

Nate enters this thread once every six months and it takes him ~30 minutes to declare black people racially inferior. Good stuff.

It took you even less time to blame all the problems of the 3rd world on whitey.

"The world is a perfectly symmetrical and equitable meritocracy except when I lose my factory job to automation in which case plz give me a new factory job Daddy Trump. Also, hands off my Medicare."

[dckingsfan]

Interesting. It is pretty clear that we need to up our immigration policy. Specifically, we need to weigh advanced education, sex and age to maximize the benefit to the US.

But the Ds are specifically blocking this to keep familial and birthright citizenship. Interesting that the Ds are actually the ones blocking progress...

Interesting indeed

Interesting that they don't put the best interests of the country first - I find this truly puzzling.

[gtn130]

Interesting. It is pretty clear that we need to up our immigration policy. Specifically, we need to weigh advanced education, sex and age to maximize the benefit to the US.

But the Ds are specifically blocking this to keep familial and birthright citizenship. Interesting that the Ds are actually the ones blocking progress...

Interesting indeed

Interesting that they don't put the best interests of the country first - I find this truly puzzling.

Fascinating stuff. This must mean that Republicans are actually not depraved scumbags after all because the Democrats also did something that can be construed as not good. This exercise in logic has been of great service to me.

[nate33]

Interesting. It is pretty clear that we need to up our immigration policy. Specifically, we need to weigh advanced education, sex and age to maximize the benefit to the US.

But the Ds are specifically blocking this to keep familial and birthright citizenship. Interesting that the Ds are actually the ones blocking progress...

Interesting indeed

Interesting that they don't put the best interests of the country first - I find this truly puzzling.

I don't.

[gtn130]

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[dckingsfan]

Interesting indeed

Interesting that they don't put the best interests of the country first - I find this truly puzzling.

Fascinating stuff. This must mean that Republicans are actually not depraved scumbags after all because the Democrats also did something that can be construed as not good. This exercise in logic has been of great service to me.

Wrong - well, from my perspective. I think Trump's message was ugly at best and doesn't address the importance of the issue and what it means to all Americans - but neither of us are Trump fans.

What we need is a better immigration policy. One that helps productivity and plugs a hole in our demographics - growth for a sustainable government if you will. The Ds are in a perfect situation to do this AND protect the dreamers at the same time. I just don't understand their end-game at this point. Do they want to keep an unbalanced immigration policy - it looks very bad for them, IMO.

[stilldropin20]

Just on logic, I challenge the notion that the United States has ever "skimmed off of the top." Ever!! From any country!

Now if by skimming off the top you mean motivated? Possibly. Pahhhhhhssibly. It is very likely that the "motivation" was more borne of desperation than any type ingenuity or inventiveness.

For example, on my moms side... My great grand parents came to the US strictly out of desperation. I can assure you. They had nothing where they lived. So desperate that they came here with a 2 year old, a 4 year old and 1 child that was born on the journey here. That reeks of desperation. reeks of it! And I'm quite certain many of you have similar stories. You think that is skimming of of the top???

And 4(now 5) generations later my entire family is still largely middle class with a few entitlement dwellers. With me the lone person in the upper class and my sister upper middle class. and both of us...barely. Not only was my family likely very desperate but I would argue that my family likely didn't "do much better" here in the US than we would have in our native countries. But we (the family) didn't "do better" because of ingenuity, inventiveness or genius. Maybe resourcefulness? But mostly We "did better" because my great- grandmother was a mean biotch. I mean ridiculously mean. They borrowed $3 stacks from the local butcher to buy a 2 flat with 5 total bedrooms. Which she divided up into 20 efficiencies and rented out while she made her entire family move into the basement. (cray, i know) At first she turned a profit. She used the income to buy more similar properties and eventually a large piece of land in the late 1920's. The area had a ton of steel mills and other factories. So it was not that difficult to keep the rooms rented. But she barely turned a profit as she acquired more property with the "income" and forced her own daughters to live in the unfinished basements for these meager "profits." What's worse is she didnt educate her daughters to manage the property nor attract "more educated mates." Thank God those mates were good men and didn't steal the property from my grandmother and her sisters and thank God those sisters were close because of their awful grandmother so they kept all the property in the family for decades. The land and property eventually ended up completely (mis)managed by my mother and her brother and their cousins who had no idea what to do with it and it barely turned a profit. they were convinced this property was an albatross with low occupancy rates and low rents and troubled tennents so they didn't want to live in the property either. When i was 20, I moved into one of the larger units, cleaned it up and charged rent to 3 roomates and realized that if the units were cleaned up and the buildings were more secure, we could charge more for rent. Genius!! I know!!!

So the only reason we did "well" in the end is because we bought property over 115 years ago and that property appreciated and we were "wise" enough to hold it and didn't borrow against it. But let me assure you this was a pure stroke of luck as the(3rd generation) attempted to borrow against in every single year. They could not keep it occupied and just did not have the income to accomplish this goal. Thank God!!! It would have raised our taxes and forced us to sell for peanuts as it was not producing income. And 100 years later at the urging of my grandfather, just before he died, I learned how to properly manage the property. It's a stroke of luck that we bought so much property so long ago and held it. My mom, her brother and their cousins unsuccessfully tried to sell the land for decades in the 60's, 70's and 80's. They attempted to sell the entire portfolio for less than $50k. And they could NOT get a buyer!! That same portfolio today is worth over $25 million and produces over $2 million annually in net revenue. I locked it up in a family trust and it can never be sold nor mismanaged again. And whats left of that original portfolio now feeds over 35 families(my extended family) that would otherwise be bottom feeders. It would have fed more if i wasn't forced to sell part of it years ago to some scum sucking dirt bag cousins that thought they could manage it better than me. Idiots! They are now broke and and tried to sue us for more! The judge decided we were too generous in the initial settlement!! Needless to say they are now completely broke. Most of them on drugs. Living off of entitlements and renting from us in buildings that they once owned a part of. And they almost took the entire family down with them as we struggled to buy them out so long ago and had to sell off the flagship piece of the portfolio(which i personally bought). I didn't have a lot of income nor capital at the time but i knew better than to let this piece go. And I swore to my grand parents that "I would not sell."

But this "success" story is hardly a story of skimming off the top. More like scrapping off the bottom. But its my story. My family. I love them all. Even the jack azzes. i love my great grandmother for being the mean biotch she was to acquire the property and i love my grandmother even more for being so loving and so compassionate and holding everything together for so long until I could come along and right this ship. It worked in the end because of Lots of blind luck and lots of hard choices and lots of hard work. their was no genius about it. I'm not sure what my great grandmother even envisioned. I'm told she was merely trying to "get in and get out" and buy a "nice" home elsewhere in the city and retire. But the depression hit and forced her to keep the property. Thank God!!!

And these are the same types of success stories I'm more familiar with for immigrant america. That's 98% of American immigrants. Something like that. or worse!

Then we have the European elite that also "immigrated" to the United States. Bought massive amounts of land(homestead act made most of it free!!). Built Massive amounts of "high end" commercial buildings in cities. As well as invested in or created very successful industries. Thats less than 1% of immigrants. likely less than .1%

Most americans just like my family come from dirt poor immigrants. And we all know it! Stop pretending that wealthy italians came here from their villas to live in a tiny azz victorian walk up in Brooklyn! Or wealthy Somalians. Or wealthy Puerto Ricans. or wealthy Mexicans. Or wealthy San salvadorians. That is not who is coming here en masse. Its not. We all know it.

[nate33]

Just on logic, I challenge the notion that the United States has ever "skimmed off of the top." Ever!! From any country!

Now if by skimming off the top you mean motivated? Possibly. Pahhhhhhssibly. It is very likely that the "motivation" was more borne of desperation than any type ingenuity or inventiveness.

For example, on my moms side... My great grand parents came to the US strictly out of desperation. I can assure you. They had nothing where they lived. So desperate that they came here with a 2 year old, a 4 year old and 1 child that was born on the journey here. That reeks of desperation. reeks of it! And I'm quite certain many of you have similar stories. You think that is skimming of of the top???

And 4(now 5) generations later my entire family is still largely middle class with a few entitlement dwellers. With me the lone person in the upper class and my sister upper middle class. and both of us...barely. Not only was my family likely very desperate but I would argue that my family likely didn't "do much better" here in the US than we would have in our native countries. But we (the family) didn't "do better" because of ingenuity, inventiveness or genius. Maybe resourcefulness? But mostly We "did better" because my great- grandmother was a mean biotch. I mean ridiculously mean. They borrowed $3 stacks from the local butcher to buy a 2 flat with 5 total bedrooms. Which she divided up into 20 efficiencies and rented out while she made her entire family move into the basement. (cray, i know) At first she turned a profit. She used the income to buy more similar properties and eventually a large piece of land in the late 1920's. The area had a ton of steel mills and other factories. So it was not that difficult to keep the rooms rented. But she barely turned a profit as she acquired more property with the "income" and forced her own daughters to live in the unfinished basements for these meager "profits." What's worse is she didnt educate her daughters to manage the property nor attract "more educated mates." Thank God those mates were good men and didn't steal the property from my grandmother and her sisters and thank God those sisters were close because of their awful grandmother so they kept all the property in the family for decades. The land and property eventually ended up completely (mis)managed by my mother and her brother and their cousins who had no idea what to do with it and it barely turned a profit. they were convinced this property was an albatross with low occupancy rates and low rents and troubled tennents so they didn't want to live in the property either. When i was 20, I moved into one of the larger units, cleaned it up and charged rent to 3 roomates and realized that if the units were cleaned up and the buildings were more secure, we could charge more for rent. Genius!! I know!!!

So the only reason we did "well" in the end is because we bought property over 115 years ago and that property appreciated and we were "wise" enough to hold it and didn't borrow against it. But let me assure you this was a pure stroke of luck as the(3rd generation) attempted to borrow against in every single year. They could not keep it occupied and just did not have the income to accomplish this goal. Thank God!!! It would have raised our taxes and forced us to sell for peanuts as it was not producing income. And 100 years later at the urging of my grandfather, just before he died, I learned how to properly manage the property. It's a stroke of luck that we bought so much property so long ago and held it. My mom, her brother and their cousins unsuccessfully tried to sell the land for decades in the 60's, 70's and 80's. They attempted to sell the entire portfolio for less than $50k. And they could NOT get a buyer!! That same portfolio today is worth over $25 million and produces over $2 million annually in net revenue. I locked it up in a family trust and it can never be sold nor mismanaged again. And whats left of that original portfolio now feeds over 35 families(my extended family) that would otherwise be bottom feeders. It would have fed more if i wasn't forced to sell part of it years ago to some scum sucking dirt bag cousins that thought they could manage it better than me. Idiots! They are now broke and and tried to sue us for more! The judge decided we were too generous in the initial settlement!! Needless to say they are now completely broke. Most of them on drugs. Living off of entitlements and renting from us in buildings that they once owned a part of. And they almost took the entire family down with them as we struggled to buy them out so long ago and had to sell off the flagship piece of the portfolio(which i personally bought). I didn't have a lot of income nor capital at the time but i knew better than to let this piece go. And I swore to my grand parents that "I would not sell."

But this "success" story is hardly a story of skimming off the top. More like scrapping off the bottom. But its my story. My family. I love them all. Even the jack azzes. i love my great grandmother for being the mean biotch she was to acquire the property and i love my grandmother even more for being so loving and so compassionate and holding everything together for so long until I could come along and right this ship. It worked in the end because of Lots of blind luck and lots of hard choices and lots of hard work. their was no genius about it. I'm not sure what my great grandmother even envisioned. I'm told she was merely trying to "get in and get out" and buy a "nice" home elsewhere in the city and retire. But the depression hit and forced her to keep the property. Thank God!!!

And these are the same types of success stories I'm more familiar with for immigrant america. That's 98% of American immigrants. Something like that. or worse!

Then we have the European elite that also "immigrated" to the United States. Bought massive amounts of land(homestead act made most of it free!!). Built Massive amounts of "high end" commercial buildings in cities. As well as invested in or created very successful industries. Thats less than 1% of immigrants. likely less than .1%

Most americans just like my family come from dirt poor immigrants. And we all know it! Stop pretending that wealthy italians came here from their villas to live in a tiny azz victorian walk up in Brooklyn! Or wealthy Somalians. Or wealthy Puerto Ricans. or wealthy Mexicans. Or wealthy San salvadorians. That is not who is coming here en masse. Its not. We all know it.

One exception are Indians. We are definitely skimming off the top with that group. We are taking on the college educated elites from the Forward Caste. I think we get some of the best among Africa as well, with the exception refugees. In general, I think we do get some of the best from poor countries that are really distant because only the rich and educated can afford the trip and navigate their way through the red tape.

But I agree with you that among Latin Americans who can make the trip cheaply, there's no compelling reason to assume we are getting their best and brightest. Maybe we are, maybe we aren't.

[stilldropin20]

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[stilldropin20]

Spoiler:

Just on logic, I challenge the notion that the United States has ever "skimmed off of the top." Ever!! From any country!

Now if by skimming off the top you mean motivated? Possibly. Pahhhhhhssibly. It is very likely that the "motivation" was more borne of desperation than any type ingenuity or inventiveness.

For example, on my moms side... My great grand parents came to the US strictly out of desperation. I can assure you. They had nothing where they lived. So desperate that they came here with a 2 year old, a 4 year old and 1 child that was born on the journey here. That reeks of desperation. reeks of it! And I'm quite certain many of you have similar stories. You think that is skimming of of the top???

And 4(now 5) generations later my entire family is still largely middle class with a few entitlement dwellers. With me the lone person in the upper class and my sister upper middle class. and both of us...barely. Not only was my family likely very desperate but I would argue that my family likely didn't "do much better" here in the US than we would have in our native countries. But we (the family) didn't "do better" because of ingenuity, inventiveness or genius. Maybe resourcefulness? But mostly We "did better" because my great- grandmother was a mean biotch. I mean ridiculously mean. They borrowed $3 stacks from the local butcher to buy a 2 flat with 5 total bedrooms. Which she divided up into 20 efficiencies and rented out while she made her entire family move into the basement. (cray, i know) At first she turned a profit. She used the income to buy more similar properties and eventually a large piece of land in the late 1920's. The area had a ton of steel mills and other factories. So it was not that difficult to keep the rooms rented. But she barely turned a profit as she acquired more property with the "income" and forced her own daughters to live in the unfinished basements for these meager "profits." What's worse is she didnt educate her daughters to manage the property nor attract "more educated mates." Thank God those mates were good men and didn't steal the property from my grandmother and her sisters and thank God those sisters were close because of their awful grandmother so they kept all the property in the family for decades. The land and property eventually ended up completely (mis)managed by my mother and her brother and their cousins who had no idea what to do with it and it barely turned a profit. they were convinced this property was an albatross with low occupancy rates and low rents and troubled tennents so they didn't want to live in the property either. When i was 20, I moved into one of the larger units, cleaned it up and charged rent to 3 roomates and realized that if the units were cleaned up and the buildings were more secure, we could charge more for rent. Genius!! I know!!!

So the only reason we did "well" in the end is because we bought property over 115 years ago and that property appreciated and we were "wise" enough to hold it and didn't borrow against it. But let me assure you this was a pure stroke of luck as the(3rd generation) attempted to borrow against in every single year. They could not keep it occupied and just did not have the income to accomplish this goal. Thank God!!! It would have raised our taxes and forced us to sell for peanuts as it was not producing income. And 100 years later at the urging of my grandfather, just before he died, I learned how to properly manage the property. It's a stroke of luck that we bought so much property so long ago and held it. My mom, her brother and their cousins unsuccessfully tried to sell the land for decades in the 60's, 70's and 80's. They attempted to sell the entire portfolio for less than $50k. And they could NOT get a buyer!! That same portfolio today is worth over $25 million and produces over $2 million annually in net revenue. I locked it up in a family trust and it can never be sold nor mismanaged again. And whats left of that original portfolio now feeds over 35 families(my extended family) that would otherwise be bottom feeders. It would have fed more if i wasn't forced to sell part of it years ago to some scum sucking dirt bag cousins that thought they could manage it better than me. Idiots! They are now broke and and tried to sue us for more! The judge decided we were too generous in the initial settlement!! Needless to say they are now completely broke. Most of them on drugs. Living off of entitlements and renting from us in buildings that they once owned a part of. And they almost took the entire family down with them as we struggled to buy them out so long ago and had to sell off the flagship piece of the portfolio(which i personally bought). I didn't have a lot of income nor capital at the time but i knew better than to let this piece go. And I swore to my grand parents that "I would not sell."

But this "success" story is hardly a story of skimming off the top. More like scrapping off the bottom. But its my story. My family. I love them all. Even the jack azzes. i love my great grandmother for being the mean biotch she was to acquire the property and i love my grandmother even more for being so loving and so compassionate and holding everything together for so long until I could come along and right this ship. It worked in the end because of Lots of blind luck and lots of hard choices and lots of hard work. their was no genius about it. I'm not sure what my great grandmother even envisioned. I'm told she was merely trying to "get in and get out" and buy a "nice" home elsewhere in the city and retire. But the depression hit and forced her to keep the property. Thank God!!!

And these are the same types of success stories I'm more familiar with for immigrant america. That's 98% of American immigrants. Something like that. or worse!

Then we have the European elite that also "immigrated" to the United States. Bought massive amounts of land(homestead act made most of it free!!). Built Massive amounts of "high end" commercial buildings in cities. As well as invested in or created very successful industries. Thats less than 1% of immigrants. likely less than .1%

Most americans just like my family come from dirt poor immigrants. And we all know it! Stop pretending that wealthy italians came here from their villas to live in a tiny azz victorian walk up in Brooklyn! Or wealthy Somalians. Or wealthy Puerto Ricans. or wealthy Mexicans. Or wealthy San salvadorians. That is not who is coming here en masse. Its not. We all know it

.

One exception are Indians. We are definitely skimming off the top with that group. We are taking on the college educated elites from the Forward Caste. I think we get some of the best among Africa as well, with the exception refugees. In general, I think we do get some of the best from poor countries that are really distant because only the rich and educated can afford the trip and navigate their way through the red tape.

But I agree with you that among Latin Americans who can make the trip cheaply, there's no compelling reason to assume we are getting their best and brightest. Maybe we are, maybe we aren't.

fair enough. not challenging your post. Just pointing out that immigrants from India are in the 5% range of total immigrants of the last 10 years. Not exactly a drop in the bucket but not significant either.

I agree with DCkings and Nate on this issue.
1. I think both posters have the basic premise that we are saturated on low end labor.
2. To the point that existing American families that would otherwise be employed with low end labor jobs have suffered.

So if we want to "reform" entitlements. Part of that reform would be limits on low end labor immigration so as to make large corporations compete more for this labor market and pay higher wages. This will keep more and more american OFF of entitlements.

My personal experience is that Human beings are happier when they work and get paid for that work. The "better" the job and the more the pay, the happier those human beings tend to be. So in a way this is also part of healthcare reform.

So why would we saturate this low end labor market with immigrants? And I dont care where the immigrants are from...white, brown, or black. The issue is the saturation of low end labor.

Now. With that said. If trump is going to continue to bring back manufacturing? And figure out how to get tariffs on imported manufactured goods? Making American made products more competitive? Even if that ends up being a "hidden sales tax?" Fine! In that case we can continue to bring in low end labor immigrants. But we should first and foremost make sure our existing AMERICAN pool of labor is back to work. White, black, and brown people should all have unemployment rates at 2% or lower. And nearly everyone that can work should work. And increase wages for these low end laborers to a livable wage. Which is at least $30K tax free. Thats is about $15 per hour.

1st and foremost get every american citizen back to work and do so with wages at least at $15 per hour before we keep bringing in low end labor migrants. I just dont see why poor people would be against this???????????????

and guess what! they are not against this! They dont realize what they are voting for when they vote for democrats. Democrats have been lying to them about how low end labor immigration affects their job prospectus.

now in terms of "attracting the best of the best." That mean attracting very very smart poor people. The united states needs to poach genius from other countries:
1. Because it makes the united states safer. we dont want geniuses designing military weapons for other countries. we want them doing it for us.
2. We have enough wealthy people in this country. we dont need more. Wealthy "foreigners" dont assimilate as well. Dont care as much. and in fact often prey upon americans.

let me speak solely on 2 areas of which i am an expert. Dentistry and Real Estate.

Foreign dentists:

ON average they do the shxtiest dental work. Often in shxthole offices. treat their patients like shxt. treat their employees like shxt. pay their employees the lowest shxtiest wages. (see what i did their?)(Good). And Why? Because they don't give a rats azz about americans!! they came here solely to make money. and then they go buy homes in places like Dubai and live there after 15 years of sucking off the american nipple and acquiring enough wealth here in the US. Why do we allow this??? Why???? And its rampant in medicine and dentistry!!!

Similar story in real estate. Middle end investors buy income buildings and never update them. I have many such clients. If wealthy foreigners own too much property that never gets developed the neighborhood never appreciates while all the surrounding neighborhood do. They are smart for sure. and patient investors. But they never do the hard work to improve a neighborhood. everyone else around them does all the hard work. Eventually even their building appreciates and is extremely more valuable. and they often sell for massive profits 2-3 decades later. Or their 2nd,3rd or 4th generation "does the work." Like my family eventually did(me). But more and more foreigners are not "buying into becoming assimilated americans" and instead are just making money here and living abroad on american profits and potentially paying their income taxes in countries abroad.

I dont think we should allow this just like I dont think we should continue to saturate the low end labor market.

I care about Americans. I dont care about foreigners. Sorry. I dont. I do want peace. I do want world peace. and I do want everyone to get along. But I know that foreigners dont care about americans. Like cammac, I too have lived abroad for years. Ive been stationed abroad for years. I went to school with those that come from foreign countries. I do business with foreigners. And I know that foreigners dont care about Americans. they dont. At all really. I do. ALL americans. Black, brown, White! and I dont care what my president says or does that "looks bad" so long as his policies create better opportunity for ALL AMERICANS. Black, Brown, and White!! The president should keep us safe. and keeps our economy running at its best. And be fair to all americans. thats all I care about. America! And Americans! I'm not so stupid to be fooled to think foreigners care about us. they got their own problems and their "care for us" is tied to us helping them, protecting them, providing them with aid, or buying their goods. You are a damn fool to not understand that.

Bottom line. Democrats serve 2 masters. The very poor and working poor and very rich. And it is impossible to serve these 2 masters. Impossible. These 2 groups are diametrically opposed no matter how much you try to dress it up.

And that's what "liberals" just dont understand they cant grasp this simple concept. Or do very much grasp it and spin it and sell it to the poor as something it is not. Like "racists!!!!" RAcists!!!!!! Russia!!!! Russia!!! Racists!!!!!! Russia!!!!! racists!!!!

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http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/368671-russia-linked-hackers-targeting-us-senate

The fact the Trumps Admn has done NOTHING to combat this in an aggressive way is very revealing. Putin wan't to help the Repubs maintain power and traitorous Republicans are more than happy to look the other way again.

What makes you think that the Administration has done nothing to combat this?

Cause people have actually said something to the point:

https://www.cbsnews.com/videos/us-not-doing-enough-to-defend-against-russias-cyberattacks-morell-says/

...more importantly, Trump has not directed any of the agencies to address this, they are on their own.

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What makes you think that the Administration has done nothing to combat this?

Cause people have actually said something to the point:

https://www.cbsnews.com/videos/us-not-doing-enough-to-defend-against-russias-cyberattacks-morell-says/

...more importantly, Trump has not directed any of the agencies to address this, they are on their own.

How do you know this? Why would you possibly think that Trump is going to broadcast when and how the U.S. will conduct counter-espionage?

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