Tank World Order (10.0) The Empire Strikes Back

[PhilBlackson]

I wonder in this scenario if we offered the Blazers Siakam and OG, to pair with Lillard and Simons would they be open to moving that second pick to us? Would be wild. Wemby, Scoot, Scottie!?

POR should move Lillard in that case

Yeah that’s what I think happens too.

Unless it's to LAL for all picks and swaps they may have remaining I'm not sure who's buying an aging Dame at the truly MASSIVE pricetag he'll be at with his extension.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

I wonder in this scenario if we offered the Blazers Siakam and OG, to pair with Lillard and Simons would they be open to moving that second pick to us? Would be wild. Wemby, Scoot, Scottie!?

POR should move Lillard in that case

i mean should we give up our first if we get Lillard. hell ya.

[will]

Surely the Raptors and Portland have to make a deal....right?

Portland lost again to the Lakers after they have a 20+ point lead at halftime. They always give up big leads and take the L. Or they always end up down big, come back, then take the eventual L.

[Raps in 4]

Surely the Raptors and Portland have to make a deal....right?

Portland lost again to the Lakers after they have a 20+ point lead at halftime. They always give up big leads and take the L. Or they always end up down big, come back, then take the eventual L.

Portland, like us, needs to blow it up.

[will]

Surely the Raptors and Portland have to make a deal....right?

Portland lost again to the Lakers after they have a 20+ point lead at halftime. They always give up big leads and take the L. Or they always end up down big, come back, then take the eventual L.

Portland, like us, needs to blow it up.

They are legit a piece away

Blow it up for Dame.

[tecumseh18]

It's hilarious to me that people see trading Gary for Poeltl would represent a win for Team Treadmill. Giving up a soon to be overpaid shooter for a non-shooter is a pure tank move this season, and sets the team up nicely for moves in the summer and a quick rebound next season.

[Morse Code]

It's hilarious to me that people see trading Gary for Poeltl would represent a win for Team Treadmill. Giving up a soon to be overpaid shooter for a non-shooter is a pure tank move this season, and sets the team up nicely for moves in the summer and a quick rebound next season.

Yes but then why not trade Gary for dead salary and picks. Improve our tank, get extra picks, then just sign Poeltl in the off-season if he’s the guy we really want long term. It’s a bad idea no matter how people spin it

[TorontoBarneys]

It's hilarious to me that people see trading Gary for Poeltl would represent a win for Team Treadmill. Giving up a soon to be overpaid shooter for a non-shooter is a pure tank move this season, and sets the team up nicely for moves in the summer and a quick rebound next season.

You know what's an actually intelligent tank move? Selling FVV and Gary for picks and lesser salary, stacking up assets for the draft and offseason and being able to outright sign Jak in the summer as a free agent.

There is no way you are going to be able to justify this mediocre, lateral move.

[tecumseh18]

It's hilarious to me that people see trading Gary for Poeltl would represent a win for Team Treadmill. Giving up a soon to be overpaid shooter for a non-shooter is a pure tank move this season, and sets the team up nicely for moves in the summer and a quick rebound next season.

Yes but then why not trade Gary for dead salary and picks. Improve our tank, get extra picks, then just sign Poeltl in the off-season if he’s the guy we really want long term. It’s a bad idea no matter how people spin it

(a) Because there's no-one - or only one person - we want in the 20s, at least no-one who can help us next season (don't know, just speculating).

(b) Because we're not going to be a cap space team, and Poeltl won't take the non-taxpayer MLE. He's already turned down a 15 mill/yr extension offer from the Spurs. We need his Bird rights.

Relatedly:

(c) Because this is the team's only chance to have a decent defensive C going into next season, Scottie's third, when the Raps really want to be good.

[PhilBlackson]

It's hilarious to me that people see trading Gary for Poeltl would represent a win for Team Treadmill. Giving up a soon to be overpaid shooter for a non-shooter is a pure tank move this season, and sets the team up nicely for moves in the summer and a quick rebound next season.

Yes but then why not trade Gary for dead salary and picks. Improve our tank, get extra picks, then just sign Poeltl in the off-season if he’s the guy we really want long term. It’s a bad idea no matter how people spin it

BINGO!

This should be stickied for all-pro Poeltl trade posters.

It's a senseless move at every level.

[720]

Apparently that spurstalk thing with poeltl was from a few months ago. Before our record sank in the standings.

[T-d0t]

Crisis averted

[tecumseh18]

It's hilarious to me that people see trading Gary for Poeltl would represent a win for Team Treadmill. Giving up a soon to be overpaid shooter for a non-shooter is a pure tank move this season, and sets the team up nicely for moves in the summer and a quick rebound next season.

Yes but then why not trade Gary for dead salary and picks. Improve our tank, get extra picks, then just sign Poeltl in the off-season if he’s the guy we really want long term. It’s a bad idea no matter how people spin it

BINGO!

This should be stickied for all-pro Poeltl trade posters.

It's a senseless move at every level.

Raps. Need. A. Centre. More importantly, we need to prove this season whether or not Nurse's defensive scheme will work if there's an actual rim protector back there. We've established that it doesn't without one. And we have sure no way to get a premium one this summer.

We need a C more than we need another pick (or two in the 20s. As I say above, Masai doesn't care about the team's win-loss performance this year, and never did. The plan is to be good next year.

Nurse, like all coaches, wants to win. But he's proven he can't win consistently without a centre. And after this trade (if it happens), he'll prove he can't win consistently without a shooter. We'll get a shooter in the draft. But at least we'll have our established centre.

[PhilBlackson]

Yes but then why not trade Gary for dead salary and picks. Improve our tank, get extra picks, then just sign Poeltl in the off-season if he’s the guy we really want long term. It’s a bad idea no matter how people spin it

BINGO!

This should be stickied for all-pro Poeltl trade posters.

It's a senseless move at every level.

Raps. Need. A. Centre. More importantly, we need to prove this season whether or not Nurse's defensive scheme will work if there's an actual rim protector back there. We've established that it doesn't without one. And we have sure no way to get a premium one this summer.

We need a C more than we need another pick (or two in the 20s. As I say above, Masai doesn't care about the team's win-loss performance this year, and never did. The plan is to be good next year.

Nurse, like all coaches, wants to win. But he's proven he can't win consistently without a centre. And after this trade (if it happens), he'll prove he can't win consistently without a shooter. We'll get a shooter in the draft. But at least we'll have our established centre.

Let that first sentence continue...

The Raps need a center....that can ALSO SHOOT! lol

They DON'T need one that will further shrink the floor & further reduce the shooting percentages.

We absolutely do NOT "need" to prove Nurse's system this season lol dafuq. You also immediately contradict yourself by saying we need a C to prove it but then go on to further say it won't work & prove we need a shooter lol. You're not even clear on what you're saying. But lord help you if you think all this team needs is a "C & a shooter" to contend, then you're even more jaded than I realised.

[Syd-TK3]

Apparently that spurstalk thing with poeltl was from a few months ago. Before our record sank in the standings.

Please God let this be true

[Brinbe]

Apparently that spurstalk thing with poeltl was from a few months ago. Before our record sank in the standings.

no. that's false. i posted that thread about that. this is an update to that.

-Six weeks ago, SpursTalk reported that the Toronto Raptors were serious about acquiring Poeltl. According to two league sources, the Raptors remain focused on completing a trade for Poeltl and their offers to the Spurs have been described as “increasingly aggressive.”

While Toronto is said to have multiple trade offers on the table for Poeltl, a league source told me that the offer that has gained the most traction so far is a three-team trade that also involves Gary Trent Jr

https://www.spurstalk.com/latest-spurs-insider-intel-jakob-poeltl-trade-offers/

sorry

[Morse Code]

It's hilarious to me that people see trading Gary for Poeltl would represent a win for Team Treadmill. Giving up a soon to be overpaid shooter for a non-shooter is a pure tank move this season, and sets the team up nicely for moves in the summer and a quick rebound next season.

Yes but then why not trade Gary for dead salary and picks. Improve our tank, get extra picks, then just sign Poeltl in the off-season if he’s the guy we really want long term. It’s a bad idea no matter how people spin it

(a) Because there's no-one - or only one person - we want in the 20s, at least no-one who can help us next season (don't know, just speculating).

(b) Because we're not going to be a cap space team, and Poeltl won't take the non-taxpayer MLE. He's already turned down a 15 mill/yr extension offer from the Spurs. We need his Bird rights.

Relatedly:

(c) Because this is the team's only chance to have a decent defensive C going into next season, Scottie's third, when the Raps really want to be good.

A. There's no way you believe that. There's no way anyone thinks that. You can't fine something that'll help us in the lottery?

B. We could easily be a cap space team if we move more useless old players for expirings and picks. I'm not suggesting that Gary alone would be enough space to sign him. I've been here for almost 15 years, and a fan for 20, I know how the cap works.

C. It's not our only chance. We could trade for one any time we want if we're willing to give up something, which, guess what, we should be willing to do if we're tanking. Plus, if we're moving towards increasing our draft odds, we don't need to worry about that right now. Develop Precious and Koloko for the rest of the year and possibly next.


Liquidation isn't a new concept

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[Jcity08]

Apparently that spurstalk thing with poeltl was from a few months ago. Before our record sank in the standings.

no. that's false. i posted that thread about that. this is an update to that.

-Six weeks ago, SpursTalk reported that the Toronto Raptors were serious about acquiring Poeltl. According to two league sources, the Raptors remain focused on completing a trade for Poeltl and their offers to the Spurs have been described as “increasingly aggressive.”

While Toronto is said to have multiple trade offers on the table for Poeltl, a league source told me that the offer that has gained the most traction so far is a three-team trade that also involves Gary Trent Jr

https://www.spurstalk.com/latest-spurs-insider-intel-jakob-poeltl-trade-offers/

sorry

[DelAbbot]

anyways Fred is on fire now.

not going to be surprised this team going to click on all cylinders 2nd half of the season. this has been my worry (want that high draft pick in this year to grow with Scottie) and my hope (that they are good)

Scottie Barnes also coming around as well.

i think you can kiss the tank goodbye barring any trades.

Im going to quote this in a few games

[tecumseh18]

BINGO!

This should be stickied for all-pro Poeltl trade posters.

It's a senseless move at every level.

Raps. Need. A. Centre. More importantly, we need to prove this season whether or not Nurse's defensive scheme will work if there's an actual rim protector back there. We've established that it doesn't without one. And we have sure no way to get a premium one this summer.

We need a C more than we need another pick (or two in the 20s. As I say above, Masai doesn't care about the team's win-loss performance this year, and never did. The plan is to be good next year.

Nurse, like all coaches, wants to win. But he's proven he can't win consistently without a centre. And after this trade (if it happens), he'll prove he can't win consistently without a shooter. We'll get a shooter in the draft. But at least we'll have our established centre.

Let that first sentence continue...

The Raps need a center....that can ALSO SHOOT! lol

They DON'T need one that will further shrink the floor & further reduce the shooting percentages.

We absolutely do NOT "need" to prove Nurse's system this season lol dafuq. You also immediately contradict yourself by saying we need a C to prove it but then go on to further say it won't work & prove we need a shooter lol. You're not even clear on what you're saying. But lord help you if you think all this team needs is a "C & a shooter" to contend, then you're even more jaded than I realised.

I don't see the contradiction/confusion. There are two sides of the floor. For the rest of this season, I'm betting Nurse's inclination is to get the defence side fixed. Can we protect the rim AND cover the perimeter? Not now, we can't. So we tend to lose, despite Gary's conscious-less shot taking. And IF we fix this in the next few months through acquisition of a mobile defensive centre - i.e. NOT Myles Turner - that'll be important going into the summer. But without a shot-maker (and a decent bench) we're going to still lose this season, when it counts.

Which is fine by me. I'd rather have a legit C next season than worry about losing the opportunity to draft another Korkmaz ... or Flynn ... or both. (BTW - No-one's giving up two draft picks for Gary's expiring, and Raps aren't giving up one of their own plus Gary to get Poeltl. Spurs will eventually accept one FRP for Jak, just as the Suns eventually accepted 2 late seconds for PJ)

And more importantly, I'm pretty sure this is how Masai sees things. He's not looking to "tear it all down", tho' he'll listen to amazing offers. He's trying to build a winner.